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Saturday, February 7, 2009

You Know What Needs Defending? The Inquisition.

Posted by on Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:27 PM

You know those Holocaust-denying clergy that Pope Benedict welcomed back into the church?

They were members of the Society of Saint Pius X (which has since booted one of the Holocaust-denying priests to protect the order's reputation) whose website features the marvelously titled article "Defense of the Inquisition."

The Inquisition wasn't so bad, you see, because "saints who lived in the era of the Inquisition never criticized it, except to complain that it did not repress heresy severely enough."


How does one account for the fact that the Church has canonized no less than four Grand Inquisitors: Peter the Martyr (d. 1252), John Capistran (d. 1456), Peter Arbues (d. 1485) and Pius V (d. 1572)?


One will work in vain in proving that the Inquisition was not as terrible as it was believed to be. That will not convince the modern mind, since it is the principle of religious intolerance as such which is unacceptable today... But if the Church recognizes the freedom of conscience of the individual in his innermost heart, if the individual is free, at the risk of his salvation, to refuse the faith, it does not follow that he can propagate his errors and thus lead other souls to hell. So, the Church respects the freedom of conscience of individuals, but not the freedom of expression of false doctrines.


And my favorite:

Certainly one must not propose the re-establishment of the Inquisition. Now it is too late. The Inquisition can only be effective in a society which is already profoundly Christian. It is a defensive weapon, which is of no use in restoring the world to the Faith. Today’s Church is at the stage of the Reconquista.

But if there is not occasion to restore the Inquisition, one must certainly rehabilitate it in the eyes of history.

The Holocaust didn't happen. The Inquisition wasn't so bad. Please make a note of it.

Thanks to Slog tipper Ryan.


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We have one of these Saint Pius comedians over here (Ireland) who obstructed a Health Board investigation into an incest/abuse case on the basis of the sanctity of the family.

It's not just the crazy crap that they believe, it's the horrible, evil shit that they do.
Posted by gimmeaminute on February 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM · Report this

It's a lovely day for drinking
And for watching people fry!
Posted by kinaidos on February 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM · Report this
Can I complain about Benaroya Hall now?

Ok, here goes. While the auditorium and sound is good, the comfort level is nil. The seats are more crowded together than on a economy class jet liner. Luckily there were three empty seats next to me at Thursday's Listz performance so I could move over and use the two on either side as arm rests -- that's about they size there are!

The foyer is a small percentage of the auditorium so during breaks people are crammed up against each other like cattle.

There are little or no places to sit...certainly there are no comfortable seats or sofas or places to read. On the 2nd level there are something like 5 tiny round tables that if I move away from the wall and lean up against the column make somewhat of a place to read a book, but only for a few minutes.

In the ante area where Wolfgang Puck's is, many many people come to have dinner before hand. The line often gets in terminably long, and there doesn't seem to be enough tables to accommodate everyone...what is more, the area is dark, almost dim with a blackish radiance to everything. The thing that would seem the most grim, the windows onto 3rd Avenue, are actually the only happy thing since they look out to the street life and present a great dissonance -- poor commuters hurrying in the rain, retirees sitting eating waiting for some classical music.

You'd think with all the billionaires pumping ready cash into this thing, they'd build something where people could sit down and relax!?!
Posted by Crowded House on February 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM · Report this
I nominate @3 to be the first guy tortured to death by the "new Inquisition." Heck, maybe they'll get really lucky and he'll be Jewish or an Arab too.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on February 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM · Report this
The current pope is mentally ill, if you ask me. It's a trickle-down effect, apparently.
Posted by Simac on February 7, 2009 at 2:40 PM · Report this
@5: Popes' extreme age must also weaken their grip.
Posted by Amelia on February 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM · Report this
@6 uh oh, then less star systems will slip through their fingers
Posted by vooodooo84 on February 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM · Report this
The Inquisition was possibly worse than the Holocaust (a Roman word for "furnace" BTW). Jews were often burned even after they'd "converted" to Catholicism, which (according to these folks) is the One True Church, even today. Such a lovely sentiment these Pius X'ers have, analogous to the Bush-era concepts of "not-torture", which 'we don't do', of course. The Inquisition can only be effective in a society which is already profoundly delusional and gullible, a Dark Ages Society if you will. Perfect for those red states.
Posted by E on February 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM · Report this
WOW - and you guys have been having shit fits 'cause Mormons wear special underwear. What a focus on the evil of religion, gotta commend you.

Some magic underwear might do these fanatical Catholic clergy some good.

Or castration by modern generations of their victims.

(by the way, moving the story to the mundane local, The Catholic Bishops Council of Washington just testified this week AGAINST domestic partnerships, you know, they know, we know just how dangerous queer couples really are to the Catholic god order of things.)
Posted by Michael from Montana on February 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM · Report this
"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition."
Posted by elswinger on February 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM · Report this
the inquisition
what a show!
the inquisition
here we go!
i know you're wishin'
that we'd go away!
but the spanish inquisition is here to stay!
Posted by melly tyler brooks on February 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM · Report this
@10 No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Posted by sleepymcdougall on February 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM · Report this
If reason and civilization could survive the Catholic age, it can survive ANYTHING.
Posted by firewalkwithme on February 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM · Report this
Lets start a trend to deny that Christians have ever suffered for their faith. While we are at it lets do the "unforgivable" sin. Lets mock the holy spirit with the intent of keeping people from Jesus. The "holy: spirit is a worthless pile of crap and he had better stay away from my house cause he ain't welcome. "holy" spirt is not good enough to shine my shoes. Saty away form Jesus at all costs. Now let us all say the "lords" prayer backward while wishing the worst for the pope.
Posted by Heather on February 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM · Report this
You know who else\\\'s reputation should be rehabilitated? The Romans who crucified Jesus. Sure their methods were strict, but without them the One True Church would never have existed. In these troubled times, we could use more brave men like Pontius Pilate, men who aren\\\'t afraid to arbitrarily order the agonizing executions of heretics on the word of an angry mob.
Posted by Father Williams on February 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM · Report this

is the next round on Heather?
Posted by ... hic! on February 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM · Report this
a round of consecrated wine for for everyone on slog.
Posted by Heather on February 7, 2009 at 8:29 PM · Report this

prefer eating flesh - course some wine helps
Posted by Michael on February 7, 2009 at 11:19 PM · Report this
What else would one expect from a Nazi Pope?
Posted by old habits die hard on February 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM · Report this
Few moderns can appreciate the Inquisition, whose purpose was to weed out heresy, by administering the death penalty to heretics. (N.B. only the secular authorities actually administered the death penalty.)

Jews were often burned even after they'd "converted" to Catholicism,

@8 has it exactly backwards. Jews were burned because they pretended to convert, to avoid expulsion. But they continued to practice Judaism. Ferdinand and Isabella supported the Inquistion, because the condemned crypto-Jews forfeited their property to the crown. This gave F&I plenty of money to invest, in for example, Columbus's voyages to the New World.

So the Spanish Inquisition facilitated the discovery of America.

Posted by Nina Pinta on February 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Thankfully any of can now be heretics and never face consequences for that fact because we live in a secular country. More people should practice heresy just to remind the Christians of their total lack of power. Secularism has had a civilizing influnce on the Christian Church.
Posted by Heather on February 8, 2009 at 1:19 PM · Report this
I'm with Heather. But I'd go farther and make forcing religion on children illegal.
Posted by Vince on February 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM · Report this

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