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City The Fucking Hills Race
Posted by Erica C. Barnett on Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:40 PM
This year, for the fourth year running, Point83—a group of Seattle cyclists that overlaps more with Critical Mass than the Cascade Bicycle Club—is holding the Fucking Hills Race on Bainbridge Island starting at 9 am on February 22. If that date and location sound familiar, that's because Cascade—a 10,000-member-plus group that lobbies for cycling infrastructure and hosts rides and classes—holds its own ride, the long-established Chilly Hilly, at that exact time and location. If the stereotypical Cascade member is a white guy in Spandex who drives his bike to club events in his Subaru, the stereotypical Point83 member is a beer-swilling dude on a custom-built fixed-gear with an axe to grind against weekend warriors.
The Point83 riders say they aren't trying to screw with Cascade's ride. Derrick Ito, who puts together the race and arranges sponsorships and prizes, says Point83 members "do our best to make sure everyone is out there riding safe and helping out if any problems occur." On Point83 and Cascade's message boards, Point83 members point out that the streets are open to anybody, whether or not they paid for a bib that allows them to participate in Cascade's ride.
Cascade members, unsurprisingly, see it differently. They note that the ride is a fundraiser for Cascade's education and advocacy group—so every rider who takes part without paying $30, eats Cascade's food, or uses the group's Port-a-Potties and roadside assistance is costing the group money without contributing to the organization. "We put a lot of work into it and it is a fundraiser for our advocacy work and education work," Cascade advocacy director David Hiller says. And, Hiller notes, the group occasionally has to "scrape [someone from Point83] up off the asphalt, and we've got a system for doing that."
Point83 members say they ride safely and don't need Cascade's assistance. However, two years ago, one of Point83's "pirate" rider had a bad crash while speeding down a hill. The rider used an ambulance provided by Cascade to get to the hospital. After the race, a heated debate ensued on Cascade's message board, with Point83 riders insisting they'd done nothing wrong, and Cascade members accusing them of being "leeches."
"Your guy got in a wreck while riding 'within' a cascade bike club event and enjoyed the medical help they provided that would not have normally been there if you weren't being a parasite to their ride.... and you can't see the value of paying your fair share for the benefits???" one wrote. Another added: "The guy who wrecked didn't pay any fees to CBC but certainly didn't turn away the emergency help when it came his way. It was there because CBC, thru their organization (which costs money to maintain) secured people who could provide medical help if needed." Two years later, the debate over the rival ride is still going on; on Point83's message board, for example, one rider suggests that driving around the race course "would get less bitching from cascaders for doing that rather than riding."
My take: Point83's ride seems like a (mostly) harmless prank. And they have beer and prizes, an obvious plus. On the other hand, Cascade does good, important work—lobbying for better bike laws in Olympia, pushing the city to increase spending on bike lanes, and doing tons of great educational programs for adults and kids. That work isn't free. If you're gonna latch onto their ride for a stunt, why not be a good sport and pay for it?
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Interesting point and I whole heartedly agree with your ethics.
"That work isn't free. If you're gonna latch onto their ride for a stunt, why not be a good sport and pay for it?"
I guess the same argument could be presented to bloggers, sloggers and alternative weekly papers when the link to mainstream news articles, No?
"That work isn't free. If you're gonna latch onto their ride for a stunt, why not be a good sport and pay for it?"
I guess the same argument could be presented to bloggers, sloggers and alternative weekly papers when the link to mainstream news articles, No?
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Your either there to donate to a bike advocacy group, or your there to mock it so you can feel special about your separate ride thats way cooler, at the same place and time.
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Why can't the Point 83 people do their ride on another weekend? They would probably get more riders.
Why would they be interested in taking down or at least denting another bike group. Cyclists need all the help they can get and they are dividing and conquering themselves without any help from anyone.
Why would they be interested in taking down or at least denting another bike group. Cyclists need all the help they can get and they are dividing and conquering themselves without any help from anyone.
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Personally I think it’s unfortunate that Cascade has chosen to ride on the same day point83 has, and on the same route! point83 is just a little club afterall, trying to have an annual chilli feed ride. I understand there were calls to ensure emergency services would be available for point83 as well, but were told that fortunately they already planned to be there!
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These 2 organizations have similar interests - It's too bad they waste so much energy going after each other instead of dealing with their common foes
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Thursday night we're meeting at Westlake at 7pm, riding bikes to Mercer Island, and making more waffles than 100 of us can eat. Feel free to come for a spin and tell us why we're horrible people.
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Derrick Ito (who I have unfortunately had numerous clashes with in the past) is a first class asshole. It doesn't surprise me one bit this idiot is behind this.
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Erica - this is obviously an antagonistic action on the part of Point83. Why, exactly, do you feel the need to defend their as they mess with a bicycle advocacy organization?
Yesterday you complain about the aesthetics of a bike rack, and now defend Point83's "Fucking Hill Race." What's the conceptual framework here? Just ... being unhappy and fucking with anyone who tries to do anything?
Yesterday you complain about the aesthetics of a bike rack, and now defend Point83's "Fucking Hill Race." What's the conceptual framework here? Just ... being unhappy and fucking with anyone who tries to do anything?
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There is a bike courier I see carooming around downtown all the time (dark hair/skin, black Tigers) who needs to be Seattle's Sexiest Bike Anything. I can't get a picture, though, cuz she moves too quickly.
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Where was Cascade when the SLUT tracks were laid? Where was Cascade when Stone Way was striped? Where was Cascade when Suzie Burke closed down the Burke Gilman Trail?
Point83 and their ilk "advocate" in their own manner, and collect no dues for doing so. There's room for all.
Point83 and their ilk "advocate" in their own manner, and collect no dues for doing so. There's room for all.
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What a bunch of lowlifes. It's fine if you want to have your own too-cool-for-school drinking/biking club. It's even OK if you want to be a bunch of parasites. Trying to disrupt the activities of a great charity and advocacy group for bikers is taking it way too far.
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OK Doug - so there's room for all. How about this:
You seem really concerned that it not seem like .83 is "leeching" off of Cascade. You know a really easy way to do that? Have the FHR on another day.
But ... you don't. Instead, you're going to go after Cascade for not stopping the SLUT. Right. Because that had nothing to do with the mayor and Vulcan getting whatever they want - including killing the Monorail and installing sports stadiums and trollies so the don't have to walk all the way to the Westlake food court.
Whatever. If .83 want to be a pack of assholes messing with Cascades fundraiser, fine. Just stop apologizing about it. Stop pretending you're doing anything but messing with one of the few groups that share your interests.
You seem really concerned that it not seem like .83 is "leeching" off of Cascade. You know a really easy way to do that? Have the FHR on another day.
But ... you don't. Instead, you're going to go after Cascade for not stopping the SLUT. Right. Because that had nothing to do with the mayor and Vulcan getting whatever they want - including killing the Monorail and installing sports stadiums and trollies so the don't have to walk all the way to the Westlake food court.
Whatever. If .83 want to be a pack of assholes messing with Cascades fundraiser, fine. Just stop apologizing about it. Stop pretending you're doing anything but messing with one of the few groups that share your interests.
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Nobody is trying to disrupt anything. I show up, ride the FHR politely, safely and quickly. I do it all while wearing a pirate flag and I watch 9/10 people enjoy what I add to the event. "Responsible biker" is that 10th person, and I'm not going to be too concerned when their chamois gets in a twist over my being present.
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Again J - if "Nobody is trying to disrupt anything", they why are you doing it at the same time? Why not another day, another place, or not at all?
It's obvious that you are messing with them - that's the point. The best defense you have to offer is that you only piss off 10% of their people?
Why is .83 doing this at all?
It's obvious that you are messing with them - that's the point. The best defense you have to offer is that you only piss off 10% of their people?
Why is .83 doing this at all?
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Hi Derrick, can you let Ben and Joby know that I can't make it to the Waffle Ride.
Also, Hi Henry!
Also, Hi Henry!
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@ 26. We love to ride bikes. Riding bikes with lots of people is more fun. While not all of us financially support Cascade (though some do) we don't do anything to "go after" or "disrupt" Cascade or its events. All we do is show up. I fail to understand how this upsets people.
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@29 Because it's obnoxious to invite yourselves to a paying event when some of you opt out of paying, let alone insisting on having your own "event within an event." It's just snotty.
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@27 its because they are too committed to the ride at this point to just let it go.
If they all just purchased bibs for the cascade ride, there would be no issue for either side, they could use the porta potties with impunity and have the FHR has a side event. but its all about being right about using the road or something, so they persist. Sadly no one outside of the *bike club wars* (TM) gets it and they rightly look like a bunch of twat waffles.
That said, some FHR riders do purchase bibs making this a non issue, its the crybaby faux conservative Tim Eynman types who insist that cascade doesn't give them a pat on the back and a pbr so they deserve nothing that are marring it for everyone.
If they all just purchased bibs for the cascade ride, there would be no issue for either side, they could use the porta potties with impunity and have the FHR has a side event. but its all about being right about using the road or something, so they persist. Sadly no one outside of the *bike club wars* (TM) gets it and they rightly look like a bunch of twat waffles.
That said, some FHR riders do purchase bibs making this a non issue, its the crybaby faux conservative Tim Eynman types who insist that cascade doesn't give them a pat on the back and a pbr so they deserve nothing that are marring it for everyone.
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I used to work on road races (my dad was a runner), and we called these people turkeys--bib-less wonders, clucking around, making it hard for more committed folks to have a good race.
@29: "All we do is show up. I fail to understand how this upsets people." Because you're showing up because the other event is happening, and they don't want you. When you starting invoking "public streets" (in the main article) while saying "Riding bikes with lots of people is more fun" (in this comment) then you're just being a griefer.
If you want to ride the ride, stop being an asshole and pay the $30 that allows Cascade to break even and puts a few dollars into advocacy and safety stuff that benefits everyone. It's not like Cascade is some money grubbing non profit.
Point83's logic seems to be the same lame-ass reasoning that has people talk about not wanting to pay tax because they don't see a personal benefit, ignoring the streets they drive on, the police and fire fighters that come to their house when needed, and all the million other things that tax pays for.
Point83 needs to grow up. If you want a supported ride, pay for it. Claiming you're not using the benefits of a support ride is juvenile. You know you are, and you're just using words to suggest you're not while not actually refuting it.
Like with taxes, if you really don't want to pay taxes, move somewhere where government doesn't aid you in any way (and don't drive there on a road). If Point83 wants its own sponsored race on Bainbridge, get the permits, do the organization, make it happen yourself.
(I have no affiliation with Cascade. I've been a member at various times. I appreciate the group's work on city riding.)
@29: "All we do is show up. I fail to understand how this upsets people." Because you're showing up because the other event is happening, and they don't want you. When you starting invoking "public streets" (in the main article) while saying "Riding bikes with lots of people is more fun" (in this comment) then you're just being a griefer.
If you want to ride the ride, stop being an asshole and pay the $30 that allows Cascade to break even and puts a few dollars into advocacy and safety stuff that benefits everyone. It's not like Cascade is some money grubbing non profit.
Point83's logic seems to be the same lame-ass reasoning that has people talk about not wanting to pay tax because they don't see a personal benefit, ignoring the streets they drive on, the police and fire fighters that come to their house when needed, and all the million other things that tax pays for.
Point83 needs to grow up. If you want a supported ride, pay for it. Claiming you're not using the benefits of a support ride is juvenile. You know you are, and you're just using words to suggest you're not while not actually refuting it.
Like with taxes, if you really don't want to pay taxes, move somewhere where government doesn't aid you in any way (and don't drive there on a road). If Point83 wants its own sponsored race on Bainbridge, get the permits, do the organization, make it happen yourself.
(I have no affiliation with Cascade. I've been a member at various times. I appreciate the group's work on city riding.)
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@28 Hey Jeff! I'm driving to the waffle ride since i'm still gimped the fuck up. Let me know if you want a seat in the Lesbaru.
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@32: "but its all about being right about using the road or something"
So you've never actually been on a supported ride or involved in a road run or anything? What Cascade does is ensure the route is safe. They work with local officials. They get permits for starts and stops. They set up food and porta-potties. They recruit and schedule volunteers. They coordinate with emergency services. They get volunteer medics to be on duty. Thousands of hours of people's time is given up to help in exchange for which riders pay a bib fee that allows the organization to pay for the insurance they must have, pay for the permits and food and other stuff that's hard costs, and have a small number of modestly paid staffers and do a bit of pro-bike lobbying and organization.
But for griefers and Point83, it's apparently, "all about being right about using the road or something."
If it were all about that, they could have the Point83 ride any day they wanted.
So you've never actually been on a supported ride or involved in a road run or anything? What Cascade does is ensure the route is safe. They work with local officials. They get permits for starts and stops. They set up food and porta-potties. They recruit and schedule volunteers. They coordinate with emergency services. They get volunteer medics to be on duty. Thousands of hours of people's time is given up to help in exchange for which riders pay a bib fee that allows the organization to pay for the insurance they must have, pay for the permits and food and other stuff that's hard costs, and have a small number of modestly paid staffers and do a bit of pro-bike lobbying and organization.
But for griefers and Point83, it's apparently, "all about being right about using the road or something."
If it were all about that, they could have the Point83 ride any day they wanted.
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@29 - "We don't do anything to "go after" or "disrupt"
You do know that Cascade is planning a ride, and you're planning a race, right? So they are planning a family-oriented fundraiser to further their cause, and you're going to get drunk, race through it, hand each other prizes and drink more. I'm a little unclear at what point the chili fits in, but it's apparently a big deal.
So - what would you think if you were planning a pleasant, weekend ride with a bunch of casual riders - and a group of "self-identified assholes" got drunk and tore through your event?
Sound like a neutral action? Sound like a harmless coincidence?
You do know that Cascade is planning a ride, and you're planning a race, right? So they are planning a family-oriented fundraiser to further their cause, and you're going to get drunk, race through it, hand each other prizes and drink more. I'm a little unclear at what point the chili fits in, but it's apparently a big deal.
So - what would you think if you were planning a pleasant, weekend ride with a bunch of casual riders - and a group of "self-identified assholes" got drunk and tore through your event?
Sound like a neutral action? Sound like a harmless coincidence?
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Henry, I have to go to a co-workers "going away/retirement" party. AWKWARD! At any rate, I know where the waffle park is, so I will find you.
Also, Glenn Fleishman is bald and does not ride a bike. Hi Glenn!
Also, Glenn Fleishman is bald and does not ride a bike. Hi Glenn!
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@ all of the people who find themselves upset.
It's a beautiful day, go ride your bike. You will feel better. I'll be hopping on mine in a little over an hour.
It's a beautiful day, go ride your bike. You will feel better. I'll be hopping on mine in a little over an hour.
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I would love to ride my bike but I'm currently disabled, though I am intending on attending the waffle ride, in the lesbaru.
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The FHR performs a community service, for without the FHR, there would be far fewer things for people who get mad on blogs to get mad about.
Furthermore, Derrick Ito got us into the Iraq War, tried to sell Barack Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder, and singlehandedly causes global warming due to his flatulence.
Furthermore, Derrick Ito got us into the Iraq War, tried to sell Barack Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder, and singlehandedly causes global warming due to his flatulence.
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Derrick Ito eats trash from many sources, not just dumpsters. I heard he once engaged in fraud on eBay!!
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The overlap with the Chilly Hilly is unfortunate but unimportant. The real problem here is that Point83 is calling their event a "race" when they are not sanctioned by USA Cycling!
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Used to think .83 was all about having a fun, casual ride/pub crawl. Now I guess it's about being an asshole. Someone please rescue .83!
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@49 - Way to play the race card.
pointy3 is pretty rad, though I've been to lazy to drink/ride with them the past few years.
pointy3 is pretty rad, though I've been to lazy to drink/ride with them the past few years.
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@17: Are you joking? Cascade lives for advocacy. On Stone Way they paid for a report on traffic patters that found a separate bike lane would improve traffic flow, had volunteers stand by the road and count cars to prove there was no increased car traffic (contrary to the city's claims), and helped organize and publicize the demonstration ride. They've been fighting Lake Forest Park and Ballard businesses for years over improving both ends of the Burke. They employ a full-time "advocacy director" for pete's sake.
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@52: I totally agree. Cascade does live for advocacy. Then the Mayor tells them to take their traffic flow stats and go fuck themselves.
But contrary to what you've stated, Cascade does NOT organize demonstration rides. Counting cars is nice, but it doesn't make the evening news.
But contrary to what you've stated, Cascade does NOT organize demonstration rides. Counting cars is nice, but it doesn't make the evening news.
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@50- .83 is about riding, drinking, and having fun. It should be noted though that some of that fun is being an asshole; heinous assholes aren't fun to hang out with, and so we tend to not have heinous asshole in the group. We're gentle, loving, assholes, with bikes and a website.
It's not like we're sticking wooden swords in Cascade wheels and then plundering their panniers, we're just scheduling similar events at similar times.
It's not like we're sticking wooden swords in Cascade wheels and then plundering their panniers, we're just scheduling similar events at similar times.
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@53 Huh. Last I checked the city passed a $250m bike master plan, and Stone Way is striped with bike lanes. So, is it better to get on the evening news or get shit done? Doug the Plumber?
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puhlease.
cascades failed urban bike policy of bike lanes in door zones and sharrows is about as useful to me as wearing a sign that says "please don't hit me" on my back.
suck it up cascade. you may think you're on the moral high ground at all times, but mostly you just cater to the spandex clad suburban weekend warrior crowd. jesus. get over yourselves.
cascades failed urban bike policy of bike lanes in door zones and sharrows is about as useful to me as wearing a sign that says "please don't hit me" on my back.
suck it up cascade. you may think you're on the moral high ground at all times, but mostly you just cater to the spandex clad suburban weekend warrior crowd. jesus. get over yourselves.
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@56, it's too bad only spandex-clad suburban weekend warriors understand the concept of paying dues and forming a coalition to support bicycle advocacy. as much as you complain about their lack of action, i have a feeling a couple of rowdy, drunk pointy3'ers didn't quite make an impact on things either.
and drunk races through a family, casual ride? assholes.
i've seen the damage done to stationery poles on the burke gilman, i'd hate to see a child on a bike have the same fate.
and drunk races through a family, casual ride? assholes.
i've seen the damage done to stationery poles on the burke gilman, i'd hate to see a child on a bike have the same fate.
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Wait a minute? There's goin to be squids @ FHR? Derrick they're going to get in our way!
I don't know if I can even GET drunk enough to go as slow as CBC. Unless they're passing out Evan Williams and sandbags at their little reststations I refuse to hear one more complaint out of anybody.
I don't know if I can even GET drunk enough to go as slow as CBC. Unless they're passing out Evan Williams and sandbags at their little reststations I refuse to hear one more complaint out of anybody.
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Actually - I am a Cascade member, partake in the Chilly Hilly and STP annually and actually love seeing the Point83 pirates. They're young, rogue and proletariat - something that I've always thought that Cascade has been stiffling for a very long time (*Case in point: Bike swaps that hype custom frames and parts, constantly trying to shill expensive bike tours in Europe that would take months, big corporate sponsorships). It's funny - I actually thought they were legit riding in last year's race (and the guys we were riding with in formation were pretty well-behaved)...
I'm thinking that with the recessionary climate - Cascade should really start to reach out to groups like this and see what they can do to encourage participation and cooperation. If they're constantly trying to appeal to Spandex-weekenders (*who have just as obnoxious riding habits), they are only encouraging this...
So - i say Viva la revolution, Point83!! I will gladly pay/dontate extra for you to use our porta-potties!!
I'm thinking that with the recessionary climate - Cascade should really start to reach out to groups like this and see what they can do to encourage participation and cooperation. If they're constantly trying to appeal to Spandex-weekenders (*who have just as obnoxious riding habits), they are only encouraging this...
So - i say Viva la revolution, Point83!! I will gladly pay/dontate extra for you to use our porta-potties!!
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@53 and @56: Evening news is worthless, possibly counterproductive. The way you advance a special interest is to lobby politicians. That is exactly what Cascade does. Moral high ground has nothing to do with it.
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The "same time/ same place" fact of the Chilly + FHR clearly creates dischord. Among bicyclists.
Point83 has offered zero legitimate reasons beyond creating dischord.
Even if there were one legitimate reason, the vast majority of riders and organizers perceive dischord, and negativity. The action itself is confrontational.
Why are you creating dischord and negative sentiments between bicyclists? What purpose does it serve?
Cui bono? -- Who benefits from this confrontation?
Answer that, Point83 riders, then decide if you really want to bother with the FHR clusterfuck.
Point83 has offered zero legitimate reasons beyond creating dischord.
Even if there were one legitimate reason, the vast majority of riders and organizers perceive dischord, and negativity. The action itself is confrontational.
Why are you creating dischord and negative sentiments between bicyclists? What purpose does it serve?
Cui bono? -- Who benefits from this confrontation?
Answer that, Point83 riders, then decide if you really want to bother with the FHR clusterfuck.
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@60 I've invited the hill-climbiest squid I know; he'll be playing pirate because he wants to ride and the FHR seems like more fun. You should try to keep up with him.
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Just so you know, if you ride with .83 you will have to get gay sexed in first.
The rough part is Derrick Ito has a HUGE cock, but the smooth part is he is a champion snuggler and will totally give you a ride home in the morning.
The rough part is Derrick Ito has a HUGE cock, but the smooth part is he is a champion snuggler and will totally give you a ride home in the morning.
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There are a lot of pictures of Point83 you ca search for all over the web. They are 100% pure white.
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okay just kidding @ #60
seriously now
I don't believe in Cascade.
I also don't ride critical mass - too confrontational for me.
I do ride a bike as my primary trasport. I ride safely on all roads - with or without green carpet and bike lanes painted on them. Cars respect my presence because I make them.
Bicycle advocacy is for people who don't know how to ride their bike.
True story
One year ago I agreed to ride the Chilly Hilly with a buddy and his dad. I was disgusted by the spandex clad weekend warrior types all over the CBC. These were folks that paid a buncha money for expensive bikes to buy their way into an image of outdoorseyness. They were slow and inept and wove all over the road, 'specially on the hills. A couple older dudes pissed in my wheaties because they didn't like that I passed them?! I got a really bad vibe. For the most part tho, these were innocuous fake bikers - really.
Because I was slowing down for my friend's dad, I got passed by these bikers flying pirate flags. They passed curteously, and adroitly. They had beautiful bikes they built and maintained themselves. They wore sensible everyday biking clothing out of experience - instead of what the bike shop employee told them to buy. I finished the CBC ride with my buddy and his dad, and didn't even get a bowl of chili for my lousy $30!
But I couldn't forget those point83 guys. They were approachable and knowledgeable and inclusive. If you love your bike because you don't know how to live without it, point83 is the place for you.
I said to myself "those are my people" and joined them within a month.
This year I'm flyin a pirate flag, and maybe recruiting some more of our kind to point83. Piss on the haters. I can ignore them like I did when I paid for some CBC bib.
More...
seriously now
I don't believe in Cascade.
I also don't ride critical mass - too confrontational for me.
I do ride a bike as my primary trasport. I ride safely on all roads - with or without green carpet and bike lanes painted on them. Cars respect my presence because I make them.
Bicycle advocacy is for people who don't know how to ride their bike.
True story
One year ago I agreed to ride the Chilly Hilly with a buddy and his dad. I was disgusted by the spandex clad weekend warrior types all over the CBC. These were folks that paid a buncha money for expensive bikes to buy their way into an image of outdoorseyness. They were slow and inept and wove all over the road, 'specially on the hills. A couple older dudes pissed in my wheaties because they didn't like that I passed them?! I got a really bad vibe. For the most part tho, these were innocuous fake bikers - really.
Because I was slowing down for my friend's dad, I got passed by these bikers flying pirate flags. They passed curteously, and adroitly. They had beautiful bikes they built and maintained themselves. They wore sensible everyday biking clothing out of experience - instead of what the bike shop employee told them to buy. I finished the CBC ride with my buddy and his dad, and didn't even get a bowl of chili for my lousy $30!
But I couldn't forget those point83 guys. They were approachable and knowledgeable and inclusive. If you love your bike because you don't know how to live without it, point83 is the place for you.
I said to myself "those are my people" and joined them within a month.
This year I'm flyin a pirate flag, and maybe recruiting some more of our kind to point83. Piss on the haters. I can ignore them like I did when I paid for some CBC bib.
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I don't understand why the CBC HPC Team doesn't just show up and take all the prizes. Problem solved.
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okay just kidding @ #60
seriously now
I don't believe in Cascade.
I also don't ride critical mass - too confrontational for me.
I do ride a bike as my primary trasport. I ride safely on all roads - with or without green carpet and bike lanes painted on them. Cars respect my presence because I make them.
Bicycle advocacy is for people who don't know how to ride their bike.
True story
One year ago I agreed to ride the Chilly Hilly with a buddy and his dad. I was disgusted by the spandex clad weekend warrior types all over the CBC. These were folks that paid a buncha money for expensive bikes to buy their way into an image of outdoorseyness. They were slow and inept and wove all over the road, 'specially on the hills. If they didn't like the way you rode they pissed in your wheaties. I got a really bad vibe.
Because I was slowing down for my friend's dad, I got passed by these bikers flying pirate flags. They passed curteously, and adroitly. They had beautiful bikes they built and maintained themselves. They wore sensible everyday biking clothing out of experience - instead of what the bike shop employee told them to buy. I finished my CBC ride with my buddy and his dad and didn't even get a bowl of chili for my lousy $30.
But I couldn't forget those poin83 guys. They were approachable and knowledgeable and inclusive. If you love your bike because you don't know how to live without it, point83 is the place for you.
I said to myself "those are my people" and joined them within a month.
This year I'm flyin a pirate flag, and maybe recruiting some more of our kind to point83. Piss on the haters. I can ignore them as well as I did when I PAID for a bib.
More...
seriously now
I don't believe in Cascade.
I also don't ride critical mass - too confrontational for me.
I do ride a bike as my primary trasport. I ride safely on all roads - with or without green carpet and bike lanes painted on them. Cars respect my presence because I make them.
Bicycle advocacy is for people who don't know how to ride their bike.
True story
One year ago I agreed to ride the Chilly Hilly with a buddy and his dad. I was disgusted by the spandex clad weekend warrior types all over the CBC. These were folks that paid a buncha money for expensive bikes to buy their way into an image of outdoorseyness. They were slow and inept and wove all over the road, 'specially on the hills. If they didn't like the way you rode they pissed in your wheaties. I got a really bad vibe.
Because I was slowing down for my friend's dad, I got passed by these bikers flying pirate flags. They passed curteously, and adroitly. They had beautiful bikes they built and maintained themselves. They wore sensible everyday biking clothing out of experience - instead of what the bike shop employee told them to buy. I finished my CBC ride with my buddy and his dad and didn't even get a bowl of chili for my lousy $30.
But I couldn't forget those poin83 guys. They were approachable and knowledgeable and inclusive. If you love your bike because you don't know how to live without it, point83 is the place for you.
I said to myself "those are my people" and joined them within a month.
This year I'm flyin a pirate flag, and maybe recruiting some more of our kind to point83. Piss on the haters. I can ignore them as well as I did when I PAID for a bib.
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I AM ANGRY ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THIS BLOG POST.
Bikes are for pussies, i'm bringing my segway gang to have our own race.
Bikes are for pussies, i'm bringing my segway gang to have our own race.
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@52 if by "advocacy" you mean "douching it up" hiller does a great job. dude is such a bro-brah cali-boy that he thinks it's better to just get along and be seen by the city than to stand up to them when they make ill-informed decisions. this also gives the city a great way of being able to say they've consulted "the bicycle community" without having to worry about, you know, getting called out.
oh, except for helmet laws. there need to be laws!!!
also unless i'm getting it way wrong, that protest ride was exogenic to cascade and .83 folk got the ball rolling. cascade sure did try and take the credit for it, though!
oh, except for helmet laws. there need to be laws!!!
also unless i'm getting it way wrong, that protest ride was exogenic to cascade and .83 folk got the ball rolling. cascade sure did try and take the credit for it, though!
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You just wanted to be 69 Keylime. Let's not forget the real assholes here. Those Chainwhip homos.
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@70: Agreed, except with .83's top-notch bookkeeping, crackerjack race judges and beefy security, there's no way to lie, cheat, steal and/or pirate the FHR. You'll just have to pay your $7 like the rest of the rabble.
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Coming in here late.
#33: "Because you're showing up because the other event is happening, and they don't want you."
Then mother fuck every last one of them, and any of you who feel the same way.
I watch this shit year after year, where people try so hard to create global-scale conflict out of a...(wait for it)...BICYCLE RIDE!
I have an urge to steal the neighbor's bike for the day and ride this shit with point83 - just so I can start & finish some shit with you pathetic whining cocksuckers
#33: "Because you're showing up because the other event is happening, and they don't want you."
Then mother fuck every last one of them, and any of you who feel the same way.
I watch this shit year after year, where people try so hard to create global-scale conflict out of a...(wait for it)...BICYCLE RIDE!
I have an urge to steal the neighbor's bike for the day and ride this shit with point83 - just so I can start & finish some shit with you pathetic whining cocksuckers
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I saw a homeless dude almost die on the SODO trail today. Fortunately a cute girl stopped by and saved him while we waited for the CBC Medics to show up. I got disgusted and left because they never showed up. Try harder Cascade.
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I'm new to Seattle and don't really know much about this Ca$hcade group. I've seen their website and I don't think I'll fit in.... I ride my bike everyday. I don't have a subaru and the only spandex I own is my speedo. So I happened upon Pointy3. They ride bikes, drink booze (not just beer) and have fun.
The first time I met David Hiller was on a Point83 ride. Everyone knew who he was except me. I had to ask a couple of .83ers "Who's that REALLY drunk asshole" He was a mess and yelled at me for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign along with telling me that my taillight needed to be posted to my bicycle, not my person. Thanks David.
If we're calling everyone assholes I want in. Derick Ito is an asshole. Keylime is an asshole, and Chainwhip is a bucket full of colon.
The first time I met David Hiller was on a Point83 ride. Everyone knew who he was except me. I had to ask a couple of .83ers "Who's that REALLY drunk asshole" He was a mess and yelled at me for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign along with telling me that my taillight needed to be posted to my bicycle, not my person. Thanks David.
If we're calling everyone assholes I want in. Derick Ito is an asshole. Keylime is an asshole, and Chainwhip is a bucket full of colon.
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I'm new to Seattle and don't really know much about this Ca$hcade group. I've seen their website and I don't think I'll fit in.... I ride my bike everyday. I don't have a subaru and the only spandex I own is my speedo. So I happened upon Pointy3. They ride bikes, drink booze (not just beer) and have fun.
The first time I met David Hiller was on a Point83 ride. Everyone knew who he was except me. I had to ask a couple of .83ers "Who's that REALLY drunk asshole" He was a mess and yelled at me for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign along with telling me that my taillight needed to be posted to my bicycle, not my person. Thanks David.
If we're calling everyone assholes I want in. Derick Ito is an asshole. Keylime is an asshole, and Chainwhip is a bucket full of colon.
The first time I met David Hiller was on a Point83 ride. Everyone knew who he was except me. I had to ask a couple of .83ers "Who's that REALLY drunk asshole" He was a mess and yelled at me for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign along with telling me that my taillight needed to be posted to my bicycle, not my person. Thanks David.
If we're calling everyone assholes I want in. Derick Ito is an asshole. Keylime is an asshole, and Chainwhip is a bucket full of colon.
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You know why drivers think all bikers are assholes? Because of a small group of assholes that call themselves Point83, attracting ire for the rest of us bike commuters who just want to be able to get from point A to point B by bike. Thanks, guys, for making the world a worse place for bicycling.
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@69: "Bicycle advocacy is for people who don't know how to ride their bike." I agree. But that's what Cascade supports, and personally I'd rather have a bunch of people riding bikes poorly than not riding at all.
@72: Sorry if Hiller isn't pure enough for you, but bro-brahs like him are the guys who get things done. He cultivates relationships, makes compromises, all that horrible adult stuff.
@72: Sorry if Hiller isn't pure enough for you, but bro-brahs like him are the guys who get things done. He cultivates relationships, makes compromises, all that horrible adult stuff.
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Derrick please call me!! we had such a special time together, but when I tried to call you the next day, the number did not work! Did you change phone numbers? Maybe I wrote down your number wrong. I miss you and really want to see you more. Please call as soon as you read this.
-Jackie
-Jackie
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Derrick please call me!! we had such a special time together, but when I tried to call you the next day, the number did not work! Did you change phone numbers? Maybe I wrote down your number wrong. I miss you and really want to see you more. Please call as soon as you read this.
-Jackie
-Jackie
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This makes me not miss any of .83 especially because I can just go get waffles from a street cart RIGHT NOW. I mean, it's not like you have to ride all the way to Mercer Island to eat waffles, right? It's like you're just riding bikes to be cool, not for the batter, and that's like, so lame, you know?
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Way back ago, Jeff wrote:
"Also, Glenn Fleishman is bald and does not ride a bike. Hi Glenn!"
You've played right into my hands. I was bald about a decade ago because I HAD CANCER. Ha! Now you feel great, I'm sure. (I have hair, not luxurious any more, though.)
In the last decade, I've biked about 10,000 miles, most of it commuting, but also the CBC-run Seattle To Portland, the year after finishing chemo and radiation -- six months after, in fact. I rode 200 miles in two days, loved the race support (volunteered in a later year as repayment), and finished in what was the great moment in my life to then.
CBC brings that sort of experience. Sad that there are griefers who need to spoil things.
Also, I don't know what the FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE SMOKING, except that you obviously never, ever go to CBC-sponsored events, because it's not ALL FUCKING WHITE GUYS IN SPANDEX WHO ARE ANGRY AT BEING PASSED.
Glad to have all this "first hand" experience on this thread.
"Also, Glenn Fleishman is bald and does not ride a bike. Hi Glenn!"
You've played right into my hands. I was bald about a decade ago because I HAD CANCER. Ha! Now you feel great, I'm sure. (I have hair, not luxurious any more, though.)
In the last decade, I've biked about 10,000 miles, most of it commuting, but also the CBC-run Seattle To Portland, the year after finishing chemo and radiation -- six months after, in fact. I rode 200 miles in two days, loved the race support (volunteered in a later year as repayment), and finished in what was the great moment in my life to then.
CBC brings that sort of experience. Sad that there are griefers who need to spoil things.
Also, I don't know what the FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE SMOKING, except that you obviously never, ever go to CBC-sponsored events, because it's not ALL FUCKING WHITE GUYS IN SPANDEX WHO ARE ANGRY AT BEING PASSED.
Glad to have all this "first hand" experience on this thread.
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What is with all the double posting by the .83ers? This thread has the most double posts I have ever seen on SLOG. I assume they ride bikes better than they interweb.
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You know why cyclists think other cyclists are assholes? Because of people like you Rebecca.
Loosen up toots. It's all in good fun until some dumptruck comes along and ruins things, AMIRITE?
Loosen up toots. It's all in good fun until some dumptruck comes along and ruins things, AMIRITE?
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@89 Wow. Way to be condescending AND sexist. I am legitimately sick of cars being mad at me for your poor riding.
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Sounds like a few hardcore cyclists and a bunch of weekend cyclists clashing over rideing style, equipment and life style, both with a true love of cycling in their own way.
Point83 riders’ are paying to ride, just not paying into the 10,000 member Cascade bank account. Point83’s members are safe, respectful, fun loving cyclists enjoying the lifestyle of cycling vs. the sport of it, as Cascade.
Why can’t we all get along… we all love to ride.
Point83 riders’ are paying to ride, just not paying into the 10,000 member Cascade bank account. Point83’s members are safe, respectful, fun loving cyclists enjoying the lifestyle of cycling vs. the sport of it, as Cascade.
Why can’t we all get along… we all love to ride.
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You want to know what is really outrageous the FHR it's their chilli. I ate some last year and had to wipe my ass with a snow cone for a week.
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@66, .83 Hispanic contingent chiming in: We have different racial background sorts in the group. I'm not sure if you folks noticed, but the Great Northwest is full of white people. We have pleasant mix of people, but mostly white because that's the pool we're drawing from.
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When it comes to bicycle advocacy, which is sorta what's really all about, I mean that's why Cascade raises money, so they can advocate for bikes. Well, .83 reaches an audience that Cascade just can't. They teach people about bikes, in there own way, and totally encourage people to get out there and ride.
Plus, some of the guys are kinda hot, and I gotta admit, that's part of the reason I'm there. And once you get to know them, they're even sort of endearing when they are being drunk assholes.
My point is that .83 *IS* bicycle community, and it's a shame that Cascade, with all of their bike advocacy doesn't seem to want to recognize that.
Plus, some of the guys are kinda hot, and I gotta admit, that's part of the reason I'm there. And once you get to know them, they're even sort of endearing when they are being drunk assholes.
My point is that .83 *IS* bicycle community, and it's a shame that Cascade, with all of their bike advocacy doesn't seem to want to recognize that.
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Hey Ben: I will be at the waffle ride, but I am not sure about the FHR. I have to fly to LA for a conference ... timing is everything, but I will keep you posted.
Waffles!
Waffles!
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Ben: I've got a doctor's appointment on the 12th, so I'll discuss bicycle training with him then. Depending on the response I'll let you know if I'll be attending the FHR.
I'll keep you posted.
I'll keep you posted.
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There is no war on point83. Get over it. This is non-news. The comments in this post have rapidly degenerated into the same juvenile boy chatter that appears on the so-called point83 forums. Yes, I suppose that is a minor sliver of "the bike community." Enjoy your 10 minutes in the limelight boys!
By the way, Cascade has been in Olympia, representing a pro-bicycling legislative agenda to your lawmakers. What did point83 do for biking this month? Get drunk, fall in a ditch and break some bones? Eat waffles? Sic your gross old married dudes on unsuspecting young women? Pray tell, what?
By the way, Cascade has been in Olympia, representing a pro-bicycling legislative agenda to your lawmakers. What did point83 do for biking this month? Get drunk, fall in a ditch and break some bones? Eat waffles? Sic your gross old married dudes on unsuspecting young women? Pray tell, what?
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I ride with Point83, and ride the FHR for a few reasons.
The roads are for public use. It's not a closed course, so bikes are allowed. I do not have to pay to use the roads. For example, if you go to a restaurant, and there is party going on there for an office or special event, the do not make you leave.
We do not use the resources offered by Cascade to it's paying members. We are accomplished cyclists, who frequently ride 34 miles on a ride one to several times a week with no portable toilets, cider stops, police assisted highway crossings, or sag wagons.
I ride bikes for fun, and have more fun when there are more people doing the same thing. I'm sorry if you do not feel the same way.
The roads are for public use. It's not a closed course, so bikes are allowed. I do not have to pay to use the roads. For example, if you go to a restaurant, and there is party going on there for an office or special event, the do not make you leave.
We do not use the resources offered by Cascade to it's paying members. We are accomplished cyclists, who frequently ride 34 miles on a ride one to several times a week with no portable toilets, cider stops, police assisted highway crossings, or sag wagons.
I ride bikes for fun, and have more fun when there are more people doing the same thing. I'm sorry if you do not feel the same way.
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Is derrickito the name of a real person? I always thought it was fake. Just wonderin since the article quoted him.
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As per the comments in this thread, derrickito is:
- first class asshole*
- ne'er to doo well of the worst sort. not to be trusted
- broke a frisbee
- got us into the Iraq war
- tried to sell a Senate seat
- contributes to global warming
- eats from dumpsters
- poops his pants
- committed fraud on ebay
- huge cock, champion snuggler, will give you a ride home
- drove to work today
- needs to call Jackie about their "special time" together
- is not wearing pants
But is he a *real* person? Good question. Will the real derrickito please stand up?
* = what is a second or third class asshole like? an eighth class asshole?
- first class asshole*
- ne'er to doo well of the worst sort. not to be trusted
- broke a frisbee
- got us into the Iraq war
- tried to sell a Senate seat
- contributes to global warming
- eats from dumpsters
- poops his pants
- committed fraud on ebay
- huge cock, champion snuggler, will give you a ride home
- drove to work today
- needs to call Jackie about their "special time" together
- is not wearing pants
But is he a *real* person? Good question. Will the real derrickito please stand up?
* = what is a second or third class asshole like? an eighth class asshole?
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1) point83 and cascade work together on common goals, though point83 does not feel the need to trumpet our involvement to the world, since that's good for fund-raising.
2) point83 is self-funded, so does not need to fund raise.
3) Let's ride bikes on the 22nd and have fun. We'll be the 0.1% out there, you might see them, but probably not.
Some people say that Derrick Ito's left nipple is in the shape of a cheeseburger, and that he once sold a half-eaten corndog for $500. All we know is that there's free chili for anyone who can find the finish line.
2) point83 is self-funded, so does not need to fund raise.
3) Let's ride bikes on the 22nd and have fun. We'll be the 0.1% out there, you might see them, but probably not.
Some people say that Derrick Ito's left nipple is in the shape of a cheeseburger, and that he once sold a half-eaten corndog for $500. All we know is that there's free chili for anyone who can find the finish line.
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maybe the FHR will get at least one person from cascade to consider that they don't have to pay to ride their bike on the street, and that they COULD, potentially bike to work. THAT is advocacy. also, as someone who has seen the actions of both groups and isn't a huge fan of either, i must admit, point83 does a lot of good for the cycling community without asking for a nut licking, cookie, money, or write up in the paper. cascade on the other hand, seems to want a lot of money and recognition to do their work (which i admit is less wto-riot style and more watergate scandal and possibly more effective as a result). also, david hiller is a creepy! i can't trust anyone who slurs the same amount regardless of sobriety.
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I ride w .83. Sometimes we call ourselves assholes but really that's more in the sense that we give each other shit. In reality on the roads 99.9% of us aren't. Whenever we pass a cyclist by the side of the road we ask them if they are Ok. If they aren't they will immediately have 10 people offering up tubes, knowledge, tools or whatever they need to get back on the road. I also found the group totally patient and welcoming when I first started riding. They have increased my bike knowledge a gazillion percent and I have made some great friends. I guess this really has nothing to do with FHR but we aren't all bad.
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Chilly Hillers need to bring locks and club the .83ers. They should be easy to spot, no bibs. That sounds like fun, maybe Ill show up as a anti .83er. A rider within a ride within a ride. Who do I pay? Or do i have to.
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Dear Jessica,
You've asked me to stop writing these letters. You've told me they will never change things between us. But I can't, Jessica. I can't just... let you go. Even Darth Vader, an evil Sith lord, couldn't leave his son to die at the end of "Return of the Jedi."
You make me feel so safe, Jessica. So warm. I want to crawl up inside you. Like Luke Skywalker crawled up inside his tauntaun to protect himself from the sub-zero temperatures of Hoth, where the Rebel Alliance was hiding from the Galactic Empire.
You've asked me to stop writing these letters. You've told me they will never change things between us. But I can't, Jessica. I can't just... let you go. Even Darth Vader, an evil Sith lord, couldn't leave his son to die at the end of "Return of the Jedi."
You make me feel so safe, Jessica. So warm. I want to crawl up inside you. Like Luke Skywalker crawled up inside his tauntaun to protect himself from the sub-zero temperatures of Hoth, where the Rebel Alliance was hiding from the Galactic Empire.
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@120 Everyone should come out,ride bikes and have fun. Isn't that why we started ridding bikes to begin with? If nothing else, the point83 kids should provide a bit of much needed energy, diversity, and much needed fun to what remains a pretty stagnant, vanilla-ass bike ride. So what if a handful of people on bikes pirate one of the biggest group rides in the country. No one is trying to rip off Ca$hcade, we're just trying to have a good time riding bikes together as a community. So everyone show up, Ca$hcade or point83 and ride bikes around a beautiful island in our awesome PNW climate and just have some fucking fun. Also, DerrickIto rides a gas powered Huffy, and he's a lousy tipper.
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@35 Yup. Been on supported rides. Done road races. Volunteered and supported road races.
In fact, of all the people I've ridden with, the .83 are way more stable, consistent riders than most group rides/ low CAT training rides I've been on.
I appreciate the work that Cascade does, but really - this ride is a bunch of weekend warriors riding their bikes around Bainbridge for a day. The .83 guys are the least of your worrries - I've been out with these guys/girls and they actually know how to ride with people. These are people who really don't need SAG/bathrooms/etc for a 36 mile ride.
Hey man, it's bikes. Chill.
In fact, of all the people I've ridden with, the .83 are way more stable, consistent riders than most group rides/ low CAT training rides I've been on.
I appreciate the work that Cascade does, but really - this ride is a bunch of weekend warriors riding their bikes around Bainbridge for a day. The .83 guys are the least of your worrries - I've been out with these guys/girls and they actually know how to ride with people. These are people who really don't need SAG/bathrooms/etc for a 36 mile ride.
Hey man, it's bikes. Chill.
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Yeah, I prefer them to those baggy shorts you people wear. Less drag and only a few grams. Haha! Sound like a cascader. I'ma wear a pirate speedo on the 22nd
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Jeff keeps saying how hott ECB is, i call for pics.
Also, Derrickito is a real person. I know because he left his cum stains all over the sheets my sister and I share.
Also, Derrickito is a real person. I know because he left his cum stains all over the sheets my sister and I share.
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Most cyclists have no idea who .83 is, nor do they care. After reading the above, it's with good reason. This controversy is in your own heads and egos.
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I'm a cascade member, don't resemble any of the fake caricatures ECB conjured up in her post. .87 just seems... like a clique. I'm not against them at all. Let them leech other people's rides, in their small numbers it probably doesn't matter (Bainbridge is open all year, you rebels! Really. Try it out sometime.)
It's pretty cute that forming a clique and manufacturing some sort of conflict is what makes some people tick. Cascade is a big org with many functions - including hosting rides that can be enjoyed by beginners and riders of all ages. Hey .87 tough guys, I'm so sorry that you had to put up with a handful of slow beginners or 65 year olds... but I'm glad you passed them (HARD CORE!) and showed them your awesome rebellious pirate booty while talking loudly about being drunk! You showed those dudes how BAD you are. You are the man. You are the bad-ass twenty something weenie of the week.
(To the original poster: Do you do many distance rides, ECB? When's the last time you lobbied for cyclist/pedestrian safety laws or contributed monetarily to such a cause? Have you ever been to a Cascade ride? What proportion of the thousands+ riders resemble your caricatures of weekend-warriors? Oh, what's that? You just type at a keyboard? My bad.)
It's pretty cute that forming a clique and manufacturing some sort of conflict is what makes some people tick. Cascade is a big org with many functions - including hosting rides that can be enjoyed by beginners and riders of all ages. Hey .87 tough guys, I'm so sorry that you had to put up with a handful of slow beginners or 65 year olds... but I'm glad you passed them (HARD CORE!) and showed them your awesome rebellious pirate booty while talking loudly about being drunk! You showed those dudes how BAD you are. You are the man. You are the bad-ass twenty something weenie of the week.
(To the original poster: Do you do many distance rides, ECB? When's the last time you lobbied for cyclist/pedestrian safety laws or contributed monetarily to such a cause? Have you ever been to a Cascade ride? What proportion of the thousands+ riders resemble your caricatures of weekend-warriors? Oh, what's that? You just type at a keyboard? My bad.)
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@112 - I forsee logistical problems with the PDC kicking anything with their drawers around their ankles.
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@110: Really? The best retort you have is to call me Ito's illegitimate child? First, I'm older than Ito. Second, your assertion that illegitimate are some how second class citizens bearing the sins of their parents is a tired claim for a time since past, unless you are so conservative that you actually believe it.
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This sounds awesome. Anything to fuck with the cunts that live on Bainbridge.
Please break something while you are there guys.
Please break something while you are there guys.
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You'd think Cascade paid for the ambulance ride. I guarantee you Cascade didn't get the bill on that one.
You eat it on a point83 ride and we'll bring the paddy wagon for you too, with a fraction of the crying.
You eat it on a point83 ride and we'll bring the paddy wagon for you too, with a fraction of the crying.
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I heard that those point83 people crashed a republican VP debate watching party at a bar downtown. Some of them got jeered out of the room for loudly making fun of Sarah Palin - one republican followed them out and tried to fight them. Is there anyone else's fun they won't ruin?
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I've been totally impressed with the .83 people. They put on a great set of rides, promote a holistic view of cycling and an alternative view of transportation. Their urban style is merely different from the more sedate Cascade group. That said, like religions, the big fights happen mainly between the lay members. Leadership in both organizations get along great and are comfortable taking part in each other's rides and helping with each other's goals.
Just as the republicans have been extremely successful including religious righters, libertarians, racist and anti immigration groups, unrepentant capitalists, and know-nothing suburbanites into their folds for a united front, cyclists should be more accepting of others.
That said, meta rides like FHR that poke fun at others and themselves (just count the number of foofy dresses worn by .83 riders that morning) are hilarious and really take the piss out of snotty riders.
Oh, one more thing, the HPC riders are much too slow to win any prizes at FHR. I've ridden with both and .83 runs circles around HPC.
Just as the republicans have been extremely successful including religious righters, libertarians, racist and anti immigration groups, unrepentant capitalists, and know-nothing suburbanites into their folds for a united front, cyclists should be more accepting of others.
That said, meta rides like FHR that poke fun at others and themselves (just count the number of foofy dresses worn by .83 riders that morning) are hilarious and really take the piss out of snotty riders.
Oh, one more thing, the HPC riders are much too slow to win any prizes at FHR. I've ridden with both and .83 runs circles around HPC.
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OK kids, I think some background information is necessary to clear this up.
Until the first Chilly Hilly, Bainbridge Island (or Thoktor as it was called at the time) was populated by a upper paleolithic style tribal civilization. When Cascade diplomats first made landfall, they negotiated at treaty that allowed them to build roads, provide ambulance/police coverage and build 4th rate pizza shops to support the ride. I think the former inhabitants had to move to the Central District or something due to gentrification... So Bainbridge actually exists in its current form thanks to CBC and the Chilly Hilly you assholes. Is this the thanks we get?
Until the first Chilly Hilly, Bainbridge Island (or Thoktor as it was called at the time) was populated by a upper paleolithic style tribal civilization. When Cascade diplomats first made landfall, they negotiated at treaty that allowed them to build roads, provide ambulance/police coverage and build 4th rate pizza shops to support the ride. I think the former inhabitants had to move to the Central District or something due to gentrification... So Bainbridge actually exists in its current form thanks to CBC and the Chilly Hilly you assholes. Is this the thanks we get?
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@137: We have worked together in the past, expect to do so in the future, and have failed to follow through on some ideas (Cascade Bicycle Club and Point83 chili cook off as an example). We get on pretty well in fact, there are just a few minority voices from Cascade who try to speak louder than the rest in the hopes their will be heard and assumed to be the voice of all. Point83 on the other hand, are generally gregarious, boisterous, and love heckling, so our voice tends to be perceived as more of an insult by the previously mentioned loud speakers from Cascade, so they respond, then we do, then them, cold fusion humor ensues. Thing is, most of the people we encounter on the road, contact us via e-mail, and sponsor our event think we are a riot and a pile of rolling fun. Near as I can tell, there are about 15-20 people who really hate us, some who think we are super fun, and nearly the entire population of Earth outside Seattle has no idea who we are. There are really bigger problems in the world than our bike race and when it is scheduled in relation to another, much larger and longer running cycling event.
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listen dipshits, schedule your race the day before and use the time to write insults or funny comments on the route before the Cascade bikers get there. think of the pavement as your own personal blog comment entry field and the chalk as your keyboard. you are being assholes by holding your event the same place/time as the other event. show some class and creativity on your own. parasites are never funny.
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Hey just because the cashcade guys all mope about and wear nearly identical outfits doesn't mean they're hipsters
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This entire thread seems to be about spandex and Speedos. Sounds like a class war.
Who cares what people wear? All y'all.
Who cares what people wear? All y'all.
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.83 Waffle RIDE TONIGHT! 7 p.m. Westlake square.
Bring: Appetite for waffles and booze, bicycle and no sense of shame.
Bring: Appetite for waffles and booze, bicycle and no sense of shame.
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Hi .83,
Make sure to keep safety first and wear plenty of reflective clothing. Also, be sure to sanitize all cooking implements with water at least 170 degrees and a mild, non-phosphorus detergent.
Toodles!
Make sure to keep safety first and wear plenty of reflective clothing. Also, be sure to sanitize all cooking implements with water at least 170 degrees and a mild, non-phosphorus detergent.
Toodles!
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It takes a pretty serious nut hole to provide a cheaper alternative to an already inexpensive charity event and then call "neener neener you can't stop me" in their defense. Stay classy everyone.
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Punto siendo que si alguien en la comunidad ciclista de Seattle quiere ir a darle una vuelta a una isla y comer un poco de chili, están bienvenidos en el FHR. Comida, personas agradables, alcohol y tantas bicicletas.
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i just ate a bag of doritos and a large tank of sour cream. for a side, i had an entire egg salad sandwich
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At first I thought the .83 guys were a bunch of assholes.... then I realized that they are my kind of assholes. I was going to ride the Chilly Hilly, but now I convinced that I should be riding the FHR. See you guys Sunday
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silly bicyclists, roads are for cars! I think I will sponsor an event where 5000 cars drive on bike trails all day! I hope it snows.
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I think this SLOG entry is what drove ECB to shoplift the wine. So that's another thing you have to answer for, Ito.
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