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News & ArtsWednesday, January 28, 2009
News They Only Killed the Dog?
Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM
The AP reports...
A southern Oregon couple who videotaped themselves having sex with a German shepherd mix were sentenced Tuesday to 60 days in jail and ordered not to own animals during their two years on probation.Steven Baker, 54, and Kim Baalbergen, 50, of Klamath Falls, Ore., pleaded guilty to sexual abuse of an animal, a misdemeanor. Prosecutor Cole Chase said be believes it's the first time anyone in Oregon has been fully prosecuted under that law. Chase said Baalbergen performed oral sex on the dog and received oral, vaginal and anal sex. He said Baker received anal sex.
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The dog, Max, had to be killed.
"Because of the way it was taught to interact with people, it couldn't be placed in another home," Chase said.
Michael Vick's pit bulls could be rehabilitated but this one old dog couldn't... um... unlearn those icky tricks?
Via HA.
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That is why the children of Israel under Joshua were commanded to kill the animals when they took Canaan.
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Super Ick.
There should've been a warning for this article... I've got images in my head that shouldn't be there!
There should've been a warning for this article... I've got images in my head that shouldn't be there!
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Ok so wait a fucking second here; in order to PROTECT THE DOG they jailed these two people and KILLED THE DOG.
WHAT. THE. FUCK!?!?!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK!?!?!?
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Dogs that hump everything they see are HILARIOUS. I don't know who wouldn't want to adopt one.
(seriously, I'd so much rather have the sexually abused dog than one of Vic's pitbulls.)
(seriously, I'd so much rather have the sexually abused dog than one of Vic's pitbulls.)
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that's like killing a child who has been raped most of it's life because the child is deemed unfit to interact with other people.
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why not leave the dog with the people who taught him those tricks? he wasn't suffering, they weren't suffering. it was a win-win. no, instead we have to pay good taxpayer money to imprison them, and kill the poor blameless dog. there's something deeply fucked up about this. yes, it's not what i'm into, but i still don't see the harm in it.
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That poor dog.
I have a chihuahua who humps many, many things. Normally it's just funny. Dogs do that. I don't think this dog was warped and couldn't function with normal people. If he had humping tendencies, it's because he's a fucking dog.
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It's triage. The animal shelter will kill some number of dogs, because people don't spay and neuter. If they didn't kill this dog then they would have no choice but to kill some other dog.
It's a simple matter of asking whether this dog is worth investing any resources in: if the dog looks like it isn't adoptable at all, then kill it right away, to give more of a chance to the many others also on death row.
Pet owners who don't spay and neuter are scum.
It's a simple matter of asking whether this dog is worth investing any resources in: if the dog looks like it isn't adoptable at all, then kill it right away, to give more of a chance to the many others also on death row.
Pet owners who don't spay and neuter are scum.
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I'm assuming the dog wasn't neutered...why didn't they just neuter the dog (that'll fix some of the humping problems)?
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I don't get why some folks don't spay or neuter. Any animal I've gotten was from a shelter and I paid $70 and the snip-snip was taken care of. Not hard at all. But I guess some people are just complete morons.
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I think all the dog and cat killing chores at the shelter should be divided equally every month among those who want a license to own an intact dog or cat. Including professional breeders, just to motivate them not to add to the population of unwanted pets.
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I'm a little shocked that you folks actually have a law against fucking dogs. It's perfectly legal in most of the country. Seriously.
Not that I've ever done it, of course. . . .
Not that I've ever done it, of course. . . .
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If you had to kill somebody for loving, why not the haters that killed a (really) loving dog? Why is it so different to slobber over your trousers from slobbering over your nakedness? Injustice is sick. Rectitude is sick. Puritanism is the pits.
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I keep meaning to get my dogs and cats fixed, but they're always knocked up or busy humping, and that's just too cute. Why take away their fun?
Besides, all you need to get rid of the babies is a pillowcase and a car exhaust.
Besides, all you need to get rid of the babies is a pillowcase and a car exhaust.
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this is eerily similar to an case in Puritan New Engand in the 1640s, where a young man was found to have had sex with a bunch of farm animals, and the authorities rounded up the victims and killed them all.
Oh, except that they also executed the young man, too.
Oh, except that they also executed the young man, too.
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Actually, this is one of the big issues with beastiality, beyond the disgustingness and abuse of the act itself - it warps the animals behaviour and perception of people. I have spoken to people who have tried to rehabilitate dogs that people have used for sex and it is very challenging - and dangerous when it is a strong, large breed. Particularly because the animal is unfixed - neutering at maturity doesn't have the same effect that doing it pre-maturity does.
And I can't believe those abusive assholes didn't get more time for it.
And I can't believe those abusive assholes didn't get more time for it.
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The difference is Michael Vick's pitbulls were the ideal pitbulls. Pitbull owners want dogs that can eliminate any intruders on sight, and will kill any stupid neighbors' kids or pets that are dumb enough to not stay far away. We pitbull lovers would pay a LOT of money for Vick's pitbulls.
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One thing I've never been able to figure out about these things is the logistics. I thought dogs had barbed penises, which is why they get stuck to their bitch at a certain point during the act.
That is, of course, an even funnier sight than a chihuahua trying to hump a goose.
So what does a barbed doggy dick do to a human anus or vagina anyway?
That is, of course, an even funnier sight than a chihuahua trying to hump a goose.
So what does a barbed doggy dick do to a human anus or vagina anyway?
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Vick's dogs are being helped through funding from Vick's own money allocated by his court sentence. Most dogs don't enter rehabilitation with trust funds like that; dogs that can't be easily rehabilitated are put down because tons of dogs CAN be, and we allocate only enough resources to rehabilitate the best candidates.
The fact is, the people who abused that dog killed him, indirectly, just the way that people who don't socialize or train their dogs are are indirectly killing their dogs when they have to be put down for biting someone, etc.
The fact is, the people who abused that dog killed him, indirectly, just the way that people who don't socialize or train their dogs are are indirectly killing their dogs when they have to be put down for biting someone, etc.
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"The difference is Michael Vick's pitbulls were the ideal pitbulls. Pitbull owners want dogs that can eliminate any intruders on sight, and will kill any stupid neighbors' kids or pets that are dumb enough to not stay far away. We pitbull lovers would pay a LOT of money for Vick's pitbulls."
That's why they eat your kids, moron.
That's why they eat your kids, moron.
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Exactly.
It's like when two adults screw up and a woman ends up pregnant with an unwanted child- how is it fair to kill the kid? It didn't make the mess! Instead of aborting an innocent baby why not kill the sluts that made the problem (the man and woman)?
Exactly.
It's like when two adults screw up and a woman ends up pregnant with an unwanted child- how is it fair to kill the kid? It didn't make the mess! Instead of aborting an innocent baby why not kill the sluts that made the problem (the man and woman)?
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Because when they kill the 'baby' it's not out and about, walking around. It was still a fetus in a tummy.....comparing it to an old dog is a little off base. Second of all, sluts? So you could have sex one time, accidentally get pregnant through any number of ways (remember, condoms aren't even 100%) and they're sluts?
You are full of dumb.
Think about what you want to say before you say it...
Because when they kill the 'baby' it's not out and about, walking around. It was still a fetus in a tummy.....comparing it to an old dog is a little off base. Second of all, sluts? So you could have sex one time, accidentally get pregnant through any number of ways (remember, condoms aren't even 100%) and they're sluts?
You are full of dumb.
Think about what you want to say before you say it...
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People who create a human life they are unwilling to care for are "full of dumb".
When those people kill the baby they made to get rid of the problem "slut" doesn't begin to cover it.
People who create a human life they are unwilling to care for are "full of dumb".
When those people kill the baby they made to get rid of the problem "slut" doesn't begin to cover it.
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this dog sounds like a perfect match for the Stranger office staff
just sayin' - might fit right in
just sayin' - might fit right in
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I'm afraid our doggie friend might be too refined and well mannered to hang aroung Stranger staff....
I'm afraid our doggie friend might be too refined and well mannered to hang aroung Stranger staff....
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The difference is there's no way to get a fetus out of a woman without killing it. If there were, we'd take the fetus out and give it to you anti-abortion folks to raise.
A person has a right not to have another organism living inside of them and messing up their body. That is completely different from a baby, a dog, or any other separate organism that can live without actually being inside of you.
Requiring a woman who got pregnant by accident to stay pregnant is like requiring you to donate organs to any kid who matches your tissue type.
A person has a right not to have another organism living inside of them and messing up their body. That is completely different from a baby, a dog, or any other separate organism that can live without actually being inside of you.
Requiring a woman who got pregnant by accident to stay pregnant is like requiring you to donate organs to any kid who matches your tissue type.
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Even before the economy went to hell, America had an enormous problem with the perception of pets as disposable and highly salable. Shelter overcrowding was nearly universal. Now, with people dumping pets left and right, dropping them at shelters or just letting them go on the street, it's reached a whole new level of emergency.
Who's going to pay for rehabilitating a dog like this, with extremely serious behavioral problems and who probably can't be trusted around humans or other dogs? Who's going to find space and time, when that same space and time could be spent on two or even ten other animals who are more likely to find homes?
Ten thousand pet animals, conservatively, are killed in the US every day because of shelter overcrowding. At least the people who caused this poor dog's death are in jail.
Who's going to pay for rehabilitating a dog like this, with extremely serious behavioral problems and who probably can't be trusted around humans or other dogs? Who's going to find space and time, when that same space and time could be spent on two or even ten other animals who are more likely to find homes?
Ten thousand pet animals, conservatively, are killed in the US every day because of shelter overcrowding. At least the people who caused this poor dog's death are in jail.
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@26: No, dogs don't have barbed penises. They get "stuck" (it's called a tie) when part of the penis swells to keep the penis inside, depositing sperm. I think it's an adaptation, because a litter of puppies CAN have more than one father. Dogs don't have to achieve a tie when mating, and don't have to achieve a tie for a successful breeding.
Dogs hump for all sorts of reasons, but it's PRIMARILY to establish dominance. My neutered male humps the intact males in the house to let them know that he is the boss. The 2nd in command intact male humps the lowest-on-the-totem-pole intact male (who will soon be neutered) and HE doesn't hump anything or anyone. Bitches (spayed and unspayed) hump too--again, to ESTABLISH DOMINANCE, not for any sexual purpose.
(and yeah, I have unaltered males in the house, but guess what? They've never gotten a female pregnant, because they aren't free to roam. Funny how easy it is to NOT have unplanned litters when you are a RESPONSIBLE dog owner).
Dogs hump for all sorts of reasons, but it's PRIMARILY to establish dominance. My neutered male humps the intact males in the house to let them know that he is the boss. The 2nd in command intact male humps the lowest-on-the-totem-pole intact male (who will soon be neutered) and HE doesn't hump anything or anyone. Bitches (spayed and unspayed) hump too--again, to ESTABLISH DOMINANCE, not for any sexual purpose.
(and yeah, I have unaltered males in the house, but guess what? They've never gotten a female pregnant, because they aren't free to roam. Funny how easy it is to NOT have unplanned litters when you are a RESPONSIBLE dog owner).
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If you don't want a fetus in your body don't put it there. If you're too fuckin stupid to keep from getting pregnant have your tubes tied.
If you don't want a fetus in your body don't put it there. If you're too fuckin stupid to keep from getting pregnant have your tubes tied.
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You "accidentally" get pregnant so it's OK to kill another human being?
So if your abortionist "accidentally" severs an artery and you bleed to death you will be OK with that, right?
Because accidents do happen.
And when they do,
somebody's gotta die.
Right?
You "accidentally" get pregnant so it's OK to kill another human being?
So if your abortionist "accidentally" severs an artery and you bleed to death you will be OK with that, right?
Because accidents do happen.
And when they do,
somebody's gotta die.
Right?
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How can a dog consent to sex with a human? He can't weigh the consequences vs whatever enjoyment might come from it. It's like taking advantage of a kid, or someone who's developmentally disabled.
I can understand how it could be too difficult or too much trouble to re-train this dog. I 'd love to know how they mean to re-train the jerks who decided to have sex with him.
I can understand how it could be too difficult or too much trouble to re-train this dog. I 'd love to know how they mean to re-train the jerks who decided to have sex with him.
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Poster #25, hardee har har.
I work where 22 of Michael Vick's dogs are being cared for and rehabilitated, and I can tell you that they would make awful guard dogs. They're either very sweet and affectionate or terribly shy. Dogs, like people, react very well to positive treatment, attention, affection and care. It's not easy to live as they lived and then change gears, but they have.
If anyone's interested, you can track their progress at www.bestfriends.org/ or look for the Vick dog special episode of the TV show DogTown, which is filmed here at the sanctuary.
I work where 22 of Michael Vick's dogs are being cared for and rehabilitated, and I can tell you that they would make awful guard dogs. They're either very sweet and affectionate or terribly shy. Dogs, like people, react very well to positive treatment, attention, affection and care. It's not easy to live as they lived and then change gears, but they have.
If anyone's interested, you can track their progress at www.bestfriends.org/ or look for the Vick dog special episode of the TV show DogTown, which is filmed here at the sanctuary.
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Is this really something a dog "learns" or something it is coerced to do in the moment, but does not retain? And how would law enforcement know the answer? It's not like this has been tested by science, has it?
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@41: What consequences? As long as the dog is up on his shots, and the humans aren't fucking other animals, there aren't any. And while a dog can't consent to sex, a dog also can't consent to be bought and sold, to be confined in the house during hunting season, etc., etc. With animals, the standard isn't consent but cruelty - are human actions causing the animal to suffer? I guarantee that a male dog that's getting his bone on isn't suffering as a result. So what's the problem?
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"this dog sounds like a perfect match for the Stranger office staff
just sayin' - might fit right in
Posted by Real Farm Boy on "
Irony, coming from a guy who probably lost his virginity to farm animals.
just sayin' - might fit right in
Posted by Real Farm Boy on "
Irony, coming from a guy who probably lost his virginity to farm animals.
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Just because cruelty is the standard and consent is not DOES NOT MEAN FUCKING A DOG is OK! We still jail people for extreme cruelty- abuse, extreme neglect, etc. to dogs. These assholes should be thrown under the jail! Dogs are meant to fuck dogs and humans are meant to fuck humans. Seems pretty fucking simple to me. Certainly no one here would agree that fucking children is OK- but we don't allow children to consent to their own adoption and even before a certain age which parent they live with in the case of divorce. They can't consent to these things (much like a dog) so it seems like they get no choice in being fucked by adults, right? WRONG! Your logic is totally screwed up.
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51: In this case, the consequence is that the dog gets killed when the people get caught literally screwing the pooch. The dog couldn't anticipate that, but the people could.
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So they took it from its home because it was being "abused" and then they killed it? That is so fucked up. The behavior of the officials was clearly motivated purely by the Ick Factor and not at all by reason or the public interest- or even the dog's interest. They should have just left these people and their dog alone.
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@39 -- Plenty of women get pregnant for reasons out of their control. Are you saying a 15 year old who is raped should have had her tubes tied? What about a college student who was responsibly using birth control that failed and then was refused the morning after pill by a pharmacist? What about teenagers who are not taught how to use birth control due to abstinence only education?
I agree that women should make sure they are taking precautions against pregnancy if they don't want to get pregnant. But none of those measures are guaranteed.
Imagine a world where anytime anyone has sex, they have to enter into a lottery to give up their (expendable) organs to the next needy person who is a tissue match. Would you agree that's fair? Would you say that if a man doesn't want to give up his kidney he should just never ever have sex? I mean, after all, you're saving another person's life by giving up your kidney. Its a fair comparison.
@40--
Don't be ridiculous. That comparison makes no sense on any level. First of all, if someone accidentally causes the death of someone else, we usually do not treat it as murder (think involuntary vehicular homicide). Second, there is no comparison between removing something from inside my body, and killing a separate person that has no connection to me. Are you saying the abortionist would have killed the patient because the patient was trying to live off the abortionist's body? In that strange sci-fi situation, then sure, I would be fine with what the abortionist did.
I agree that women should make sure they are taking precautions against pregnancy if they don't want to get pregnant. But none of those measures are guaranteed.
Imagine a world where anytime anyone has sex, they have to enter into a lottery to give up their (expendable) organs to the next needy person who is a tissue match. Would you agree that's fair? Would you say that if a man doesn't want to give up his kidney he should just never ever have sex? I mean, after all, you're saving another person's life by giving up your kidney. Its a fair comparison.
@40--
Don't be ridiculous. That comparison makes no sense on any level. First of all, if someone accidentally causes the death of someone else, we usually do not treat it as murder (think involuntary vehicular homicide). Second, there is no comparison between removing something from inside my body, and killing a separate person that has no connection to me. Are you saying the abortionist would have killed the patient because the patient was trying to live off the abortionist's body? In that strange sci-fi situation, then sure, I would be fine with what the abortionist did.
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Here is a better comparison.
Imagine that anytime someone had sex there was a lottery and some other random person was chosen to be killed.
So there you are minding your own business then 'boom!'- here come the whirling blades and caustic flushes to rip you to shreds and wash you away.
"That's not fair!
What did I do to deserve this?" you whine.
You didn't do anything, honey.
You were just unlucky enough to be conceived by a (take your pick- ) stupid/careless/clueless/indifferent kid/slut/whore/bimbo who doesn't know or doesn't care how not to get pregnant.
Life sucks.
Abortion sucks way more.
Here is a better comparison.
Imagine that anytime someone had sex there was a lottery and some other random person was chosen to be killed.
So there you are minding your own business then 'boom!'- here come the whirling blades and caustic flushes to rip you to shreds and wash you away.
"That's not fair!
What did I do to deserve this?" you whine.
You didn't do anything, honey.
You were just unlucky enough to be conceived by a (take your pick- ) stupid/careless/clueless/indifferent kid/slut/whore/bimbo who doesn't know or doesn't care how not to get pregnant.
Life sucks.
Abortion sucks way more.
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The issue here is that there are two "people" with rights in conflict. (I don't actually think that a small cluster of cells counts as a baby, but I think my argument works even if it does). We have to weigh one organism's right to life against another's right to their own body. This is why the organ transplant comparison works so well.
Here you are, a healthy adult. Then next door, there's an innocent little kid with a failing kidney. They'll die if they don't get a new kidney, and you're a match. Does that mean you are morally obligated to give them your kidney? Some people might think it does, but most people don't sign up for those donor registries. Even if you think its a moral obligation, even if YOU would choose to give up your kidney, would you support legislation saying that everyone has to? I mean, by selfishly refusing to give up an organ you don't really need, you're letting a little kid die. Sure you will have to go through operations, have scars, not be able to drink alcohol for awhile, and you'll never quite be as healthy afterwards-- and there's a chance you'll die from the operation but its a pretty low chance-- so why would you say no? Doesn't this child's right to life outweigh your inconvenience? And then along comes another child that needs bone marrow, or part of your liver...
I've never met anyone who honestly advocated making everyone sign up for organ donation registries, and forcing everyone give up any expendable parts of their body to save the life of cute little innocent kids. Even if you say right now that you would do that, I don't see you or anyone else out there actually advocating it as law.
So, if you say a woman who gets pregnant should be forced to give up her bodily integrity so that an innocent baby can live, but you don't think men should have to do the same, you are a giant hypocrite.
Personally, I plan to be pregnant some day. I'm not necessarily looking forward to all of the complications that come with it, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make when I'm ready to have kids. The point is, it will be my choice to make that sacrifice. I would never try to force it on anyone else.
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Here you are, a healthy adult. Then next door, there's an innocent little kid with a failing kidney. They'll die if they don't get a new kidney, and you're a match. Does that mean you are morally obligated to give them your kidney? Some people might think it does, but most people don't sign up for those donor registries. Even if you think its a moral obligation, even if YOU would choose to give up your kidney, would you support legislation saying that everyone has to? I mean, by selfishly refusing to give up an organ you don't really need, you're letting a little kid die. Sure you will have to go through operations, have scars, not be able to drink alcohol for awhile, and you'll never quite be as healthy afterwards-- and there's a chance you'll die from the operation but its a pretty low chance-- so why would you say no? Doesn't this child's right to life outweigh your inconvenience? And then along comes another child that needs bone marrow, or part of your liver...
I've never met anyone who honestly advocated making everyone sign up for organ donation registries, and forcing everyone give up any expendable parts of their body to save the life of cute little innocent kids. Even if you say right now that you would do that, I don't see you or anyone else out there actually advocating it as law.
So, if you say a woman who gets pregnant should be forced to give up her bodily integrity so that an innocent baby can live, but you don't think men should have to do the same, you are a giant hypocrite.
Personally, I plan to be pregnant some day. I'm not necessarily looking forward to all of the complications that come with it, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make when I'm ready to have kids. The point is, it will be my choice to make that sacrifice. I would never try to force it on anyone else.
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It's so weird to see a hardcore abortion prohibitionist (someone who would force a rape vic -- er, rape *slut* -- to carry the rapist's offspring to term) commenting on Slog, which is a pretty sex-positive site except when it comes to bestiality and statutory rape. With the economic downturn, are people getting paid by the NRLC to troll every popular website that has open comments?
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@41
How can a dog consent to sex with a human? He can't weigh the consequences vs whatever enjoyment might come from it. It's like taking advantage of a kid, or someone who's developmentally disabled.
Shut the fuck up im tired of this argument. Dogs, any animals, don't give a fuck,they get pleasure, there is no down side for them. Might say your tricking them because they think they are fucking a bitch but since when do dogs care if they get a bitch pregnant, they just try for it when ever they can to keep the species going. The only way it could be a valid argument would be if dogs were damned near extinct and they had a limited supply of seed.
How can a dog consent to sex with a human? He can't weigh the consequences vs whatever enjoyment might come from it. It's like taking advantage of a kid, or someone who's developmentally disabled.
Shut the fuck up im tired of this argument. Dogs, any animals, don't give a fuck,they get pleasure, there is no down side for them. Might say your tricking them because they think they are fucking a bitch but since when do dogs care if they get a bitch pregnant, they just try for it when ever they can to keep the species going. The only way it could be a valid argument would be if dogs were damned near extinct and they had a limited supply of seed.
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Frankly speaking, I almost lost my lunch while reading this awful story. I wonder why just 60days in jail? Abuse on animal is like abusing a child, cause both are defenseless! I've never met more disgusting and horrible individuals than these two. What a BAD and DISGUSTING place this world is becoming!
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Hi,,belive it or not that digusting person (Kim) is my birth mother,,and I made the mistake of giving her Max,, I trianed him as a service dog,, (NOT THAT KIND) he was trained to carry things and open and close doors! Shortly affter I gave her the dog I discovered that she had been molesting my 16 month old daughter, I turned her in but they said there wasnt enough evidence,, I moved away out of that aria,,,about a year latter wile helping care for my dad, who was on hospice, I found out what was happening to poor max,, I seen it on a web site called shawnsfarm,, I turned her in again! This time they did somthing about it! But not as much as they should have,,and unfortunatly there was no way I could go and get Max, I was 9 month pregnant a couple of hundred miles away, and caring for my dying father,, the Klamath Humane society ashured me that Max would go to a special rescue and hopfully get back to what he was originally trained for,, however when I called to check up on him they had put him down!!If I had know they were going to do that I would of had some friends go pick him up and hold him for me,,I would not of kept him,, I would have rehomed him,,I know it wasnt his fault but I just would not have been able to look at him without thinking about that… but I would have rehomed him with some one that didnt know about what had happened,, after at least a year of therapy to help him get past what had happened,, What she did will haunt me forever,, and I thank God every day that it was my dad that won custody of me when I was little and not her
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