What constitutes "bad sex" in cinema? This list seems like a combination of bad acting, dumb ideas, rape scenes, and "eww gross, sex I don't agree with." Some are legitimate, some are completely missing the point of the film. They just explain the scene (out of context) without saying why it's "bad."
Kubrick may not have excelled in showing tender coitus on the screen, but he was pretty damn good at conveying the depth of Humbert's sexual obsession in Lolita.
And Bertolucci LOVES showing fucking, but it's usually quick and vaguely meaningless.
Yuck. Certainly one of the most unpleasant sex scenes in film history. Like sexual violence, regret and shame about that scene ruined that actress's life, while the perpetrators went on to be quite successful without any psychological burden. Indeed, the actor and director were nominated for Oscars!
Kubrick wasn't trying to film sex. He was filming a fictional representation of the sort of banal fantasies incredibly wealthy people pay top dollar to simulate for their peers. 'Eyes Wide Shut' is a kafkaesque comedy, remember, about the poverty of the American male's imagination. Watch the scene where the grieving woman throws herself at cruise's character while her dead father's corpse rots in silence mere feet away. Hilariously awesome.
I remember seeing Last Tango first-run, and thinking at the time that it was a really lousy movie. And you know, it was, and it hasn't held up very well with the passage of time.
It was, however, a revolutionary film for its time. It came out only a few years after the equally controversial, but even more abominable, I Am Curious (Yellow). It took a long time for anyone in the film industry to make a sexy movie that wasn't either unwatchable or pornographic.
And as for Stanley Kubrick, well, he was English. That pretty much explains everything.
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Fifty-Two-Eighty on January 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM
I just saw Last Tango for the first time and I could not believe how awful it was. Bertolucci has only made one great film, The Conformist.
Also, the definitive Kubrick sex scene is the last five minutes of "Paths of Glory," where all the French soldiers are looking hungrily at the fraulein singing in the pub, and it looks like they're about to vault over their tables to tear her apart, then by the end of her song they're all crying and broken.
PS
agreed about EWS #9.
PPS
Kubrick was not English. He was from New York.
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SEAN NELSON, EMERITUS on January 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Yes, 13... There's a well known anecdote about Kafka laughing uproariously when reading his own stories aloud to friends.... nobody ever laughed with him. That's how I felt watching 'Eyes Wide Shut' at the Guild 45th back in 1999 ... like Kafka, laughing alone in a quiet, crowded room.....
Even before seeing EWS, I'd heard the story about how Kubrick had toyed with the idea of casting Steve Martin in the lead role. That ought to tell us something.
I say Tango as a high school kid - with my mom. You know, single mom wants to bond with her noncommunicative 16 y.o., takes him to monthly flick. Usually adventure shit. We both licked Brando, but had no idea what we were getting into. Talk about fucking weird, sitting there with mom watching the butter scene. Screwed up my sex life for years, no doubt hers too.
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Am I REALLY here? on January 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM
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