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News & ArtsSunday, January 25, 2009
News Monster Trucks the New Pit Bulls
Posted by Dan Savage on Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM
"Can we get a breed ban on monster trucks now please?" writes Slog tipper Matt.
A monster truck show promoter was killed Saturday night at one of his own shows in Wisconsin, a week after a 6-year-old boy died and a man was injured in a monster truck event in Tacoma.The promoter, identified by the local coroner as George Eisenhart Jr., 41, of Chardon, Ohio, was severely injured as he walked onto the floor and was hit by one of the giant trucks. Medics scrambled to treat him, and he later was taken away in an ambulance.... Eisenhart was the third person to be hurt or killed at a monster truck event in a one-week period.
Unlike the Tacoma Dome's monster truck show—where it was on with the show after a six-year-old boy was killed by flying debris—the show in Wisconsin was halted and the following day's show was cancelled.
And while monster trucks may be the new pit bulls... pit bulls are still the same old pit bulls.
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I was hoping cute young interns could be the new pit bulls. But monster trucks are a good choice too: it is generally politically safe to hate them as carelessly as you like. And there is a psychologically valid need to hate something without facts and nuance and understating taking all the fun out of it. It's cathartic, right?
2
This is wholly off-topic, but I thought the people of slog would appreciate this video:
http://www.break.com/index/reporter-miss…
http://www.break.com/index/reporter-miss…
3
If there is ever to be another terrorist attack in the US may they strike a monster truck show or any NASCAR events.
4
I happen to like monster truck rallies. There is no way in hell that I would sit in the front rows like that kid did, though. Hell, you need earplugs to sit in the nose-bleed seats. I do hate pitbulls; my downstairs neighbor has one and it constantly tries to kill me. But why pass a breed ban when I already have ground hamburger and Rough-on-Rats?
Elenchos--liked your site.
Elenchos--liked your site.
5
Life is dangerous. Sometimes it's really dangerous. Sometimes we tempt danger. Sometimes danger just finds us. The more we try to protect ourselves, the more a new danger will crop up. One we were not expecting or one that could happen to anyone, one way or another, something's going to get you.
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The difference is that I could get mauled by some random pit bull on a walk to the grocery store - the only people who are going to get killed at monster truck shows are those who got to monster truck shows. If the only people who got hurt by pit bulls were those who decided to be around them, I wouldn't much care.
7
Can we institute a ban on forty-something homosexual editors of Seattle alt-weekly newspapers? Please, can we, huh? Because nothing pisses me off more than forty-something homosexual editors of Seattle alt-weekly newspapers.
Except maybe forty-something singers of Seattle alt-country bands.
Dan Savage, promise me you'll never start an alt-country band, and I'll exempt you from this ban. Otherwise, me, Greg Nickels, Ron Sims and, dare I say it, Venus Velasquez herself are gonna get all Mayor Daley on your ass.
And that's not a promise--it's a drunken Internet threat.
So ya better watch out, boy!
Except maybe forty-something singers of Seattle alt-country bands.
Dan Savage, promise me you'll never start an alt-country band, and I'll exempt you from this ban. Otherwise, me, Greg Nickels, Ron Sims and, dare I say it, Venus Velasquez herself are gonna get all Mayor Daley on your ass.
And that's not a promise--it's a drunken Internet threat.
So ya better watch out, boy!
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According to Freakonomics the most dangerous thing in the world is an open swimming pool in your backyard.
10
DJ Riz, if I were really drunk, there'da been spelling errors o'plenty @7. But I'm working on it, though (hic!). BTW, as a Seattle kid from way back, I love your stuff, especially from when you were a cashier at Orpheum Records, way back in the 1989 day.
What the fuck ever happened to Broadway, anyway?
What the fuck ever happened to Broadway, anyway?
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Have monster truck shows always had high rates of injury, and nobody bothered to report it until now? Or have the shows recently changed in some way that's driving up injury rates?
About 2 years ago there was a string of mining disasters. Every time, the media treated it as a tragic accident, documented rescue efforts, then dropped the story. Only a few journalists bothered to note that safety regulations had been gutted by the Bush administration.
About 2 years ago there was a string of mining disasters. Every time, the media treated it as a tragic accident, documented rescue efforts, then dropped the story. Only a few journalists bothered to note that safety regulations had been gutted by the Bush administration.
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[quote]Monster Trucks the New Pit Bulls [/quote]
Really?
Most of the Public wouldn`t know a "Pit Bull" if it walked up and introduced itself!
Pick out the APBT(The 'Pit Bull')
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthe…
[quote]What is a Real Pit Bull?
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/item…
Looks and labels can be deceiving, character is not.
Real Pit Bulls are outgoing and people loving. They are extremely friendly, even with strangers, and therefore do not make good guard dogs. Human aggression, severe shyness, and fearfulness are not characteristic of this breed, and are undesirable in any dog. Human friendliness is a hallmark of the breed.
Real Pit Bulls put their heart and soul into everything they do: whether it is climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses; or escaping an inadequately fenced yard to explore the neighborhood; or excelling at weight pull, agility, flyball, therapy work, search and rescue, explosives or drug detection. Intelligence, trainability and determination are hallmarks of the breed.
Real Pit Bulls are very adaptable and most will do well in urban settings provided they have enough personal attention, exercise and positive outlets for their mental and physical energy. While some Pit Bulls are easy going couch potatoes, others need a job to channel their energy and drive. Some may have high play and/or prey drive. Strength, confidence and a zest for life are hallmarks of the breed. These fine qualities are a virtue to some and a challenge to others.
Real Pit Bulls are rough and tumble dogs and may remain playful all their lives. One of a kind, Pit Bull dogs really know how to make you laugh. Their sense of humor is a hallmark of the breed.
Individual dogs of all breeds, as they mature, may exhibit aggression towards other dogs. Adult dog behavior is a combination of nature and nurture and is influenced by the dog�s genetics, socialization, training and management.
American Temperament Test* Scores 2007:
All Breeds: 28,010 tested 81.6% passed
Pit Bull dogs: 1,214 tested 85.5% passed
American Pit Bull Terrier: 586 tested 84.3% passed
American Staffordshire Terrier 548 tested 83.4% passed
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 80 tested 88.8% passed
*The American Temperament Test simulates a casual walk through the neighborhood and rates the dog's responses to every day life situations. To learn more about the American Temperament Test visit www.atts.org
Pit bulls are just dogs.
Four legs, two eyes, one heart.[/quote]
Are dogs a danger in your State?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
Do "Pit Bulls" cause injuries unlike other dogs?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
[quote]Do Pit Bulls Inflict Injuries Unlike Other Breeds of Dogs?
Descriptions of the type of fatal injuries dogs have inflicted on their few unfortunate victims is a graphic topic that NCRC has been hesitant to address. Fatal dog attacks are exceedingly rare occurrences; and in light of the fact that many people already harbor a highly disproportionate fear of being killed by a dog, there seemed no useful purpose in addressing the nature and type of injuries a victim sustained during such an attack, nor do we wish to compromise the privacy of victims or sensationalize their tragedies.
Unfortunately, selected groups and individuals are making claims about the severity and nature of Pit bull attacks versus the severity and nature of other (non-bully) breed attacks and exposing victims' identities and descriptions of victims' injuries to forward their personal theories and agenda.
Virtually all of the claims about the "unique damage that Pit bulls inflict" are made by individuals or special interest groups with no knowledge or experience in analyzing fatal dog bite injuries. For this reason, the NCRC feels compelled to address these tactics and claims.
For nearly two decades the NCRC has investigated and analyzed fatal dog attack injuries. The NCRC has previously stated that it is impossible to determine the breed of dog by reviewing an autopsy report or photo, as no breed of dog has a particular method of attack or inflicts an exclusive type of injury.
Below is a list of 15 different victims of a dog attack along with the description of the fatal wounds as listed on the autopsy report. Each victim was attacked and killed by a single dog. Each victim was killed by a different breed of dog (for a total of 15 different breeds*). Only one victim was killed by a Pit bull (or any type of bully breed).
*
Victim 1: Multiple penetrating wounds to the abdomen
*
Victim 2: Collapsed lungs, multiple wounds to the chest, partial devourment
*
Victim 3: Massive head and neck injuries
*
Victim 4: Multiple bite wounds, dismemberment
*
Victim 5: Extensive scalp and neck injuries
*
Victim 6: Multiple lacerations of scalp and neck, depressed skull fracture
*
Victim 7: Exsanguination from multiple bite wounds
*
Victim 8: Skull fracture and severe bites to upper back and face
*
Victim 9: Multiple penetrating wounds to back and chest
*
Victim 10: Severe bite wounds to the head
*
Victim 11: Severe bites, massive bleeding, broken facial & neck bones
*
Victim 12: Massive head injuries
*
Victim 13: Severe, multiple penetrating injuries to head and neck
*
Victim 14: Massive bite injuries to lower extremities, dismemberment
*
Victim 15: Severe scalp, facial wounds, laceration of jugular
Fifteen different breeds inflicted the fatal wounds listed above. The breeds were:
*
Siberian husky
*
Coonhound
*
Dachshund
*
Chow chow
*
Pit bull
*
Sheepdog-type dog
*
Malamute
*
Labrador Retriever
*
Chesapeake Bay Retriever
*
St. Bernard
*
German Shepherd dog
*
Wolfdog
*
Golden Retriever
*
Mixed breed (no discernable breed visible)
*
Rottweiler
It is virtually impossible for anyone to match the breed of dog with the fatal injuries listed above - as such -
*****claims that one breed of dog inflicts injuries unlike other breeds have no merit.
(Fatal wounds / breed matches can be obtained upon request).
* Breeds were chosen for this sample only if the breed has been involved in more than one human fatality (i.e., Airedale Terrier, Pomeranian, Jack Russell Terrier, et.al, were not used as only one human fatality has been attributed to each of these breeds in the United States).
* In the decade between 1966-1975, less than 2% of all dogs involved in fatal attacks in the United States were of the breeds which today are targeted so frequently as the solution to canine aggression, (Pit Bull or Rottweiler). [/quote]
Dog Bite Statistics:Science or Junk Science?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
[quote]"A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites.
***** There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/bitepreven…
** The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) released statement on the erroneous use and conclusions of the CDC study:[/quote]
SAR Pit Bulls
http://www.forpitssake.org/sar.html
Therapy Pit Bulls
http://ourpack.org/leo.html
K9 Pit Bulls
http://www.lawdogsusa.org/lawdogs.html
National Athletes-Wallace Purina IDC National Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYC5Zte1…
Titled Pit Bulls-ATTS,Agility,CGC
http://www.badrap.org/rescue/hall_of_fam…
More of those Big "bad" Pit Bulls
http://server.inalbum.com/show/jodipreis…
Vick Fight Bust dog breaking in a new little "fighter"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBDjSJHN…
The Pit Bulls abused by Vick
where are they now?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/ma…
Gallery
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multime…
The nonsense about 'Pit Bulls' is getting tiresome but it DOES bring people to your site and that`s what it`s really all about isn`t it?
Have a nice day and should you ever get the urge to become educated on the subject of the 'Pit Bull' Breeds may I suggest
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/sect…
and
The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression
http://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-Placebo-P…
If you`re worried about dogs of ANY Breed*/type this will REALLY worry you.
The odds of dying from.....
http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx
More...
Really?
Most of the Public wouldn`t know a "Pit Bull" if it walked up and introduced itself!
Pick out the APBT(The 'Pit Bull')
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthe…
[quote]What is a Real Pit Bull?
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/item…
Looks and labels can be deceiving, character is not.
Real Pit Bulls are outgoing and people loving. They are extremely friendly, even with strangers, and therefore do not make good guard dogs. Human aggression, severe shyness, and fearfulness are not characteristic of this breed, and are undesirable in any dog. Human friendliness is a hallmark of the breed.
Real Pit Bulls put their heart and soul into everything they do: whether it is climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses; or escaping an inadequately fenced yard to explore the neighborhood; or excelling at weight pull, agility, flyball, therapy work, search and rescue, explosives or drug detection. Intelligence, trainability and determination are hallmarks of the breed.
Real Pit Bulls are very adaptable and most will do well in urban settings provided they have enough personal attention, exercise and positive outlets for their mental and physical energy. While some Pit Bulls are easy going couch potatoes, others need a job to channel their energy and drive. Some may have high play and/or prey drive. Strength, confidence and a zest for life are hallmarks of the breed. These fine qualities are a virtue to some and a challenge to others.
Real Pit Bulls are rough and tumble dogs and may remain playful all their lives. One of a kind, Pit Bull dogs really know how to make you laugh. Their sense of humor is a hallmark of the breed.
Individual dogs of all breeds, as they mature, may exhibit aggression towards other dogs. Adult dog behavior is a combination of nature and nurture and is influenced by the dog�s genetics, socialization, training and management.
American Temperament Test* Scores 2007:
All Breeds: 28,010 tested 81.6% passed
Pit Bull dogs: 1,214 tested 85.5% passed
American Pit Bull Terrier: 586 tested 84.3% passed
American Staffordshire Terrier 548 tested 83.4% passed
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 80 tested 88.8% passed
*The American Temperament Test simulates a casual walk through the neighborhood and rates the dog's responses to every day life situations. To learn more about the American Temperament Test visit www.atts.org
Pit bulls are just dogs.
Four legs, two eyes, one heart.[/quote]
Are dogs a danger in your State?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
Do "Pit Bulls" cause injuries unlike other dogs?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
[quote]Do Pit Bulls Inflict Injuries Unlike Other Breeds of Dogs?
Descriptions of the type of fatal injuries dogs have inflicted on their few unfortunate victims is a graphic topic that NCRC has been hesitant to address. Fatal dog attacks are exceedingly rare occurrences; and in light of the fact that many people already harbor a highly disproportionate fear of being killed by a dog, there seemed no useful purpose in addressing the nature and type of injuries a victim sustained during such an attack, nor do we wish to compromise the privacy of victims or sensationalize their tragedies.
Unfortunately, selected groups and individuals are making claims about the severity and nature of Pit bull attacks versus the severity and nature of other (non-bully) breed attacks and exposing victims' identities and descriptions of victims' injuries to forward their personal theories and agenda.
Virtually all of the claims about the "unique damage that Pit bulls inflict" are made by individuals or special interest groups with no knowledge or experience in analyzing fatal dog bite injuries. For this reason, the NCRC feels compelled to address these tactics and claims.
For nearly two decades the NCRC has investigated and analyzed fatal dog attack injuries. The NCRC has previously stated that it is impossible to determine the breed of dog by reviewing an autopsy report or photo, as no breed of dog has a particular method of attack or inflicts an exclusive type of injury.
Below is a list of 15 different victims of a dog attack along with the description of the fatal wounds as listed on the autopsy report. Each victim was attacked and killed by a single dog. Each victim was killed by a different breed of dog (for a total of 15 different breeds*). Only one victim was killed by a Pit bull (or any type of bully breed).
*
Victim 1: Multiple penetrating wounds to the abdomen
*
Victim 2: Collapsed lungs, multiple wounds to the chest, partial devourment
*
Victim 3: Massive head and neck injuries
*
Victim 4: Multiple bite wounds, dismemberment
*
Victim 5: Extensive scalp and neck injuries
*
Victim 6: Multiple lacerations of scalp and neck, depressed skull fracture
*
Victim 7: Exsanguination from multiple bite wounds
*
Victim 8: Skull fracture and severe bites to upper back and face
*
Victim 9: Multiple penetrating wounds to back and chest
*
Victim 10: Severe bite wounds to the head
*
Victim 11: Severe bites, massive bleeding, broken facial & neck bones
*
Victim 12: Massive head injuries
*
Victim 13: Severe, multiple penetrating injuries to head and neck
*
Victim 14: Massive bite injuries to lower extremities, dismemberment
*
Victim 15: Severe scalp, facial wounds, laceration of jugular
Fifteen different breeds inflicted the fatal wounds listed above. The breeds were:
*
Siberian husky
*
Coonhound
*
Dachshund
*
Chow chow
*
Pit bull
*
Sheepdog-type dog
*
Malamute
*
Labrador Retriever
*
Chesapeake Bay Retriever
*
St. Bernard
*
German Shepherd dog
*
Wolfdog
*
Golden Retriever
*
Mixed breed (no discernable breed visible)
*
Rottweiler
It is virtually impossible for anyone to match the breed of dog with the fatal injuries listed above - as such -
*****claims that one breed of dog inflicts injuries unlike other breeds have no merit.
(Fatal wounds / breed matches can be obtained upon request).
* Breeds were chosen for this sample only if the breed has been involved in more than one human fatality (i.e., Airedale Terrier, Pomeranian, Jack Russell Terrier, et.al, were not used as only one human fatality has been attributed to each of these breeds in the United States).
* In the decade between 1966-1975, less than 2% of all dogs involved in fatal attacks in the United States were of the breeds which today are targeted so frequently as the solution to canine aggression, (Pit Bull or Rottweiler). [/quote]
Dog Bite Statistics:Science or Junk Science?
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil…
[quote]"A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites.
***** There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/bitepreven…
** The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) released statement on the erroneous use and conclusions of the CDC study:[/quote]
SAR Pit Bulls
http://www.forpitssake.org/sar.html
Therapy Pit Bulls
http://ourpack.org/leo.html
K9 Pit Bulls
http://www.lawdogsusa.org/lawdogs.html
National Athletes-Wallace Purina IDC National Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYC5Zte1…
Titled Pit Bulls-ATTS,Agility,CGC
http://www.badrap.org/rescue/hall_of_fam…
More of those Big "bad" Pit Bulls
http://server.inalbum.com/show/jodipreis…
Vick Fight Bust dog breaking in a new little "fighter"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBDjSJHN…
The Pit Bulls abused by Vick
where are they now?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/ma…
Gallery
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multime…
The nonsense about 'Pit Bulls' is getting tiresome but it DOES bring people to your site and that`s what it`s really all about isn`t it?
Have a nice day and should you ever get the urge to become educated on the subject of the 'Pit Bull' Breeds may I suggest
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/sect…
and
The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression
http://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-Placebo-P…
If you`re worried about dogs of ANY Breed*/type this will REALLY worry you.
The odds of dying from.....
http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx
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Jesus, you guys are as bad as all the New Yorkers who want to kill all the geese in the state because one plane crashed. Sheesh.
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Slog: any more putting down of pit bulls or monster trucks and we will git you! And we're going to make you eat a hearty dish of facts, nuance, and understatement, too!
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@Zach......
"Real Pit Bulls put their heart and soul into everything they do: whether it is climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses; (attacking the elderly)or escaping an inadequately fenced yard to explore the neighborhood; (mauling a new born baby)or excelling at weight pull, agility, flyball, therapy work, search and rescue, explosives or drug detection (and let's not forget offering free amputations for the unsuspecting passer-by). Intelligence, trainability and determination are hallmarks of the breed."
Oh yes, they are the perfect breed that matches the character of the modern American. A violent, thug like animal that creates havoc no matter where it is!
"Real Pit Bulls put their heart and soul into everything they do: whether it is climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses; (attacking the elderly)or escaping an inadequately fenced yard to explore the neighborhood; (mauling a new born baby)or excelling at weight pull, agility, flyball, therapy work, search and rescue, explosives or drug detection (and let's not forget offering free amputations for the unsuspecting passer-by). Intelligence, trainability and determination are hallmarks of the breed."
Oh yes, they are the perfect breed that matches the character of the modern American. A violent, thug like animal that creates havoc no matter where it is!
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Did they halt the next day's show because everyone was sad, or did they halt it because they the guy who signed the paychecks was dead?
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The guy who got killed was a promoter of the show. The day before he got hit, he was speaking in defense of the safety of his show and said "This is our 16th year, and I wish I had a big piece of wood to knock on right now, but we have not had an incident besides a gal slipping in the aisle at another location. That's been all."
I'm in Madison, Wi (the city where this occurred), and despite the fact that a man died, people were still really upset that it got canceled, because they wanted to watch the show. I feel like that's a bit ridiculous...
I'm in Madison, Wi (the city where this occurred), and despite the fact that a man died, people were still really upset that it got canceled, because they wanted to watch the show. I feel like that's a bit ridiculous...
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Sunday - media reports Adams has told members of the City Council he will NOT resign ...
well well
well well
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OK...I'm the owner of a rescued pit bull. A dog-friendly, cat-friendly, child-friendly pit bull. I work for a pet care company and people PAY ME MONEY to have their dogs (labs, springer spaniels, cockerpoos, shih-tzus, poodles, rat terriers) play with my dog while they're at work or out of town. I am biased in favor of pit bulls, but very biased against many pit bull owners.
Why was this dog off leash? How the hell can we have statutes on the books that don't allow for the seizure and euthanasia of dogs that have committed deadly attacks, yet there are all these pushes for laws to ban dogs that LOOK like the dogs that are most often REPORTED to commit deadly attacks?
Where I live, police have shot and killed dogs (labs and boxers and pit bulls alike) that "menaced" them right in front of their owners with total impunity, and yet, the asshats in this jurisdiction can't just take a vicious dog that killed another dog and put it down?
This owner sounds like an absolute idiot who has no idea about what kind of animal she owns. Pit bulls were bred to be extremely human friendly and aggressive with other dogs. (Of course, crack dealers and rappers have worked hard to change that over the last 25 years....)
This is yet another argument for pit bull licensing; if it can't pass a standardized temperament test, it should be put down. If you are caught with an unregistered pit bull, it should be seized and temperament tested, and the owner fined. All pit bull breeders must be certified, monitored, and their litters temprament tested. Unregistered breeders should be fined and barred from owning or breeding pits, their dogs siezed, tested and culled accordingly. There should be stiff criminal penalties for dog attacks by certain breeds where leash laws were disregarded or dogs were left un-neutered. Casual ownership must be made very, very unappealing.
If you own a pit bull, you know how powerful it is, you have a responsibility to your community and your dog to take whatever precautions are necessary to keep everyone safe, including putting down the dog if it has an uncorrectable behavioral problem. I have had plenty of clients with german shepherds, labs or chows with some sort of aggression problem. Yeah, their dogs are their babies, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T PUT THEIR DOGS IN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE LIKELY TO GET INTO TROUBLE! Why should it be any different for us pit bull owners?
I'm sick of these attacks and I'm sick of my dog (and thousands of other bull dog breeds that make fantastic pets) being persecuted because of these fuckwit owners and breeders.
More...
Why was this dog off leash? How the hell can we have statutes on the books that don't allow for the seizure and euthanasia of dogs that have committed deadly attacks, yet there are all these pushes for laws to ban dogs that LOOK like the dogs that are most often REPORTED to commit deadly attacks?
Where I live, police have shot and killed dogs (labs and boxers and pit bulls alike) that "menaced" them right in front of their owners with total impunity, and yet, the asshats in this jurisdiction can't just take a vicious dog that killed another dog and put it down?
This owner sounds like an absolute idiot who has no idea about what kind of animal she owns. Pit bulls were bred to be extremely human friendly and aggressive with other dogs. (Of course, crack dealers and rappers have worked hard to change that over the last 25 years....)
This is yet another argument for pit bull licensing; if it can't pass a standardized temperament test, it should be put down. If you are caught with an unregistered pit bull, it should be seized and temperament tested, and the owner fined. All pit bull breeders must be certified, monitored, and their litters temprament tested. Unregistered breeders should be fined and barred from owning or breeding pits, their dogs siezed, tested and culled accordingly. There should be stiff criminal penalties for dog attacks by certain breeds where leash laws were disregarded or dogs were left un-neutered. Casual ownership must be made very, very unappealing.
If you own a pit bull, you know how powerful it is, you have a responsibility to your community and your dog to take whatever precautions are necessary to keep everyone safe, including putting down the dog if it has an uncorrectable behavioral problem. I have had plenty of clients with german shepherds, labs or chows with some sort of aggression problem. Yeah, their dogs are their babies, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T PUT THEIR DOGS IN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE LIKELY TO GET INTO TROUBLE! Why should it be any different for us pit bull owners?
I'm sick of these attacks and I'm sick of my dog (and thousands of other bull dog breeds that make fantastic pets) being persecuted because of these fuckwit owners and breeders.
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From the pitbull article page:
BROTHER CALLS POLICE ON SISTER
On Jan. 3 at 3:56 p.m., police were dispatched to the 11000 block of West 38th Place on a report of a harassment. The 19-year-old male reporting party told police that he had been trying to sleep, but his 21-year-old sister had been continuously texting him after he asked her to stop. The male threatened to call the police if she didn't stop. He then received a text from his 19-year-old brother calling him a "baby" for warning his sister. Police called the male's brother and sister and told them that if they didn't stop texting him, they were going to be arrested.
really?
BROTHER CALLS POLICE ON SISTER
On Jan. 3 at 3:56 p.m., police were dispatched to the 11000 block of West 38th Place on a report of a harassment. The 19-year-old male reporting party told police that he had been trying to sleep, but his 21-year-old sister had been continuously texting him after he asked her to stop. The male threatened to call the police if she didn't stop. He then received a text from his 19-year-old brother calling him a "baby" for warning his sister. Police called the male's brother and sister and told them that if they didn't stop texting him, they were going to be arrested.
really?
21
They showed footage of this accident on King 5 News. The guy walks out on to the floor in the middle of the show. He's looking down while holding something in his hand, like he's text messaging or something. The truck doesn't have time to stop and hits him almost as soon as he walks on to the floor. You'd think the guy who was hit, an employee of the show, would know better. It just looks like extremely poor judgment on his part.
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@17, 21: Clearly, one's failure to knock on wood after invoking the knocking of wood was a very dangerous thing to do.
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If you choose to have a pit bull, you need to keep it in a securely fenced yard and not with other pets. The same goes for most large dogs. My lab, the sweetest dog I have ever known, had random bits of aggressive moments. He really needed to be supervised with strangers & on a leash when out in the public. Dogs should be on leashes anyway so they don't get hit by a car.
And dogs should be supervised while out in yards so as to avoid someone kidnapping them and selling them to a lab or using them as practice dogs for dog fighting (this is done with cats as well). This one girl I know actually had an older pit bull puppy before it was stolen from her yard... when they finally found the dog, it had been used in dog fighting and she had to put it down because it was too aggressive to rehabilitate. I don't care how sweet your pit bull is, they need to be supervised for the good of the community and for their own well-being.
And dogs should be supervised while out in yards so as to avoid someone kidnapping them and selling them to a lab or using them as practice dogs for dog fighting (this is done with cats as well). This one girl I know actually had an older pit bull puppy before it was stolen from her yard... when they finally found the dog, it had been used in dog fighting and she had to put it down because it was too aggressive to rehabilitate. I don't care how sweet your pit bull is, they need to be supervised for the good of the community and for their own well-being.
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Sneaking another Pit Bull rant in, eh, Dan?
I donated to fight Prop 2 in Florida, and asked Dan this question: "Is there a later scientific peer-reviewed study supporting the efficacy of breed bans that forms (in part or whole) the foundation of your opinion?"
As part of my preamble, I explained that I have searched online for such a study, but could not find anything. I could only find the CDC study of 2000, which actually states that there is no such evidence. I was hoping that there might be a later study I could read.
Dan's response was
Now, I am ecstatic that he did NOT simply tell me off. However, he didn't really answer the question, as he doesn't cite any study in the UK or Denver. So I am left with the conclusion that No, Dan Savage does not base his opinions of breed bans on any scientific evidence.
What I find interesting is that he "doesn't trust the studies [I] cite." I believe there was a study in the UK that also concluded that there is no supporting evidence of the efficacy of breed bans. But he doesn't trust scientific research? What does he trust? His gut?
I find that his response, while deservedly terse, spoke volumes. His opinions on breed bans are simply that: opinions. He is neither more nor less correct than the rest of us. In fact, his opinions can be said to be faith-based, since he chooses to discount evidence that does not agree with his ideas.
I donated to fight Prop 2 in Florida, and asked Dan this question: "Is there a later scientific peer-reviewed study supporting the efficacy of breed bans that forms (in part or whole) the foundation of your opinion?"
As part of my preamble, I explained that I have searched online for such a study, but could not find anything. I could only find the CDC study of 2000, which actually states that there is no such evidence. I was hoping that there might be a later study I could read.
Dan's response was
breed bans have worked in the UK, and they work well in Denver. i don't trust the studies you cite.
all the best,
dan
Now, I am ecstatic that he did NOT simply tell me off. However, he didn't really answer the question, as he doesn't cite any study in the UK or Denver. So I am left with the conclusion that No, Dan Savage does not base his opinions of breed bans on any scientific evidence.
What I find interesting is that he "doesn't trust the studies [I] cite." I believe there was a study in the UK that also concluded that there is no supporting evidence of the efficacy of breed bans. But he doesn't trust scientific research? What does he trust? His gut?
I find that his response, while deservedly terse, spoke volumes. His opinions on breed bans are simply that: opinions. He is neither more nor less correct than the rest of us. In fact, his opinions can be said to be faith-based, since he chooses to discount evidence that does not agree with his ideas.
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If anyone has the video the news channels played of it please post it on
citytopixCOM Under news stories. Thanks
citytopixCOM Under news stories. Thanks
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@13 I can really get behind those New Yorkers. Have you tried to sit on the grass at any lake-side park in Seattle?
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@12..Well stated..THANK YOU!
@25..diddo.
dan's claim that the U.K. Dangerous Dog Act was successful at reducing bites is BS.
From 1997 (the year the ban was instated) to 2007 dog bites in the U.K. have increased by 50% at the cost of 14 million dollars.
In GREAT news, the state of MONTANA said NO to BSL with a 17-1 vote on Thursday.
Oshkosh, Wisconsin and Molalla, Oregon did too.
@25..diddo.
dan's claim that the U.K. Dangerous Dog Act was successful at reducing bites is BS.
From 1997 (the year the ban was instated) to 2007 dog bites in the U.K. have increased by 50% at the cost of 14 million dollars.
In GREAT news, the state of MONTANA said NO to BSL with a 17-1 vote on Thursday.
Oshkosh, Wisconsin and Molalla, Oregon did too.
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I sign up for flying debris when I buy my monster truck rally ticket. I expect ear damage and know that flying debris are a potential hazard if I venture close enough. I pay for this. It is entertainment. I accept the risk. If I die no one should sue. On with the show...
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