Monday, January 5, 2009
City No Statement Yet from Hiphop Community
Posted by Dominic Holden on Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM
As Eli wrote earlier, a convocation of Seattle’s hiphop leaders—about 25 artists, promoters, and producers—squeezed into the back booths of Moe Bar last night to hash out a response to the shooting at Chop Suey. After an hour and a half of off-the-record deliberation, the group elected to hold off on any public statements for now. “Essentially, we decided to be prepared for a backlash, but also be ready to intelligently respond,” says Wyking, founder of the Seattle Hip-Hop Summit Youth Council.
Although the press coverage has been largely neutral—many reports have omitted the loaded words “hiphop” and "rap"—the backlash already exists in blog comments. “People who write blogs reach conclusions” that hiphop is the cause of violence, says George Yasataki.
But hiphop leaders argue that the shootings stem not from the music, but from conflicts that exist outside the venues as part of a rising trend in urban youth violence. People with disputes can conflict anywhere—in homes, on the street, or at crowded events where people congregate. Blaming hiphop shows, they say, is scapegoating. “The worst thing that could happen is what happened to the Las Vegas hiphop scene,” says Logics, a producer for Street Academy. “The mayor said no more hiphop shows in Vegas. That would just be terrible here.” When violence occurs at Bite of Seattle, the Torchlight Parade, and shopping malls, he says, nobody suggests shutting them down.
The discussion after the meeting bore mostly on the hiphop community’s potential role in making events safer. Jennifer Petersen—a producer for Sportn’ Life Records, which produced one of the acts at Chop Suey that night, Fatal Lucciauno—was at Chop Suey during the shooting. “Something in our community needs to change,” she told me. "It is our responsibility completely.”
After the meeting, six guys huddled around a long stand-up table next door at Pike Street Fish Fry. In somber tones, they described steps that the city, media and local hiphop community could take to make showes shows safer. G-Prez, president of Sea-Sick Records and the Black Teamsters Union, suggested modifying a gang task force. He suggests street officers could help kids stay out of trouble, in part, by resolving disputes. “We might know who has a beef with whom, but we’re not going to go talk to them,” he says. The men suggested that an SPD training for nightclub workers be free for music promoters, placing squad cars in front of clubs, and increasing security in venues.
Others people suggested creating community safety standards and identifying safe shows with some sort of seal on the poster. “Promoters need to be held accountable to protect these hiphop goers,” says Sonny Bonoho.
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“The worst thing that could happen is what happened to the Las Vegas Hip Hop scene,” says Logics, a producer for Street Academy. “The mayor said no more hiphop shows in Vegas. That would just be terrible here.”
No, the WORST thing would be more people getting killed at hip hop shows. Right?
No, the WORST thing would be more people getting killed at hip hop shows. Right?
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Well that's just fucking great. No statement from the hiphop community. Now what are we all supposed to do in the mean time without our statement? How long do we just sit here waiting?
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@ 1) Many folks believe this violence would occur anywhere--regardless of whether or not there's a hiphop show. So if hiphop shows were shut down, the city would lose its musical and cultural outlet but the city wouldn't be any safer.
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I'm still getting the impression that the real tragedy wasn't the death of 29-E, but the potential harm done to the hip hop community. That seems backward to me.
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Back in the late 70s and early 80s people used to make fun of the "Old Hippies"...guys still dragging around in long hair and elephant bell bottoms while everyone else was wearing peg leg pants and skinny ties.
This is the way I look at the Hip Hop Clowns walking around in baggy pants and multicolor shirts. Guys...it's over. Outcast was the top of the art form, yet you all keep making the same music over and over again.
Did you see Beyonce on SNL in those white and black vests?
That's current technology.
It doesn't have anything to do with gangs...it's a show, a polished act that even rich people in theatres pay to see.
Oh, and of course, like everything else culturally, Seattle is at least 4 years behind the times...
This is the way I look at the Hip Hop Clowns walking around in baggy pants and multicolor shirts. Guys...it's over. Outcast was the top of the art form, yet you all keep making the same music over and over again.
Did you see Beyonce on SNL in those white and black vests?
That's current technology.
It doesn't have anything to do with gangs...it's a show, a polished act that even rich people in theatres pay to see.
Oh, and of course, like everything else culturally, Seattle is at least 4 years behind the times...
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Fnarf @ 4) I don't know about that. These are tough folks, and they seem pretty broken up about their friends. They just don't want to see their tragedy compounded by knee-jerk reactions that hurt a culture and artists without addressing the violence that can make its way into hiphop shows.
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"When violence occurs at Bite of Seattle, the Torchlight Parade, and shopping malls, he says, nobody suggests shutting them down."
I can't speak to the malls, but I hadn't heard of a fatal shooting at the Bite of Seattle. Maybe he means the shooting at Folklife, which was *clearly* the result of a gang-related dispute.
I can't speak to the malls, but I hadn't heard of a fatal shooting at the Bite of Seattle. Maybe he means the shooting at Folklife, which was *clearly* the result of a gang-related dispute.
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"Many folks believe this violence would occur anywhere--regardless of whether or not there's a hiphop show."
Other than last year's Folklife, what was the last rock show in Seattle that had a shooting?
Other than last year's Folklife, what was the last rock show in Seattle that had a shooting?
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I don't think that many people believe hip-hop music somehow causes or is conducive to violence. I suspect the more commonly held belief is simply that hip-hop attracts a segment of the population that carries guns and settles disputes, turf-wars, etc. with them. It's probably correct that you are more likely to be shot at 23rd and Union as you are at a hip-hop concert. But that just means that the community at large has good reason to want to see hip-hop concerts occur at places like 23rd and Union rather than at 14th and Madison or in Belltown.
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"Others people suggested creating community safety standards and identifying safe shows with some sort of seal on the poster."
Hah, that sounds like DHS THREAT LEVEL warnings. Get ready for parodies of the "safe" seal on all the promo flyers.
@levide "I can't speak to the malls, but I hadn't heard of a fatal shooting at the Bite of Seattle. Maybe he means the shooting at Folklife, which was *clearly* the result of a gang-related dispute."
I think he was talking about the shooting at Vito's.
@tiktok "No, the WORST thing would be more people getting killed at hip hop shows. Right?"
That'd be ideal, but i guess only time will tell what the producers' real priorities are here.
Hah, that sounds like DHS THREAT LEVEL warnings. Get ready for parodies of the "safe" seal on all the promo flyers.
@levide "I can't speak to the malls, but I hadn't heard of a fatal shooting at the Bite of Seattle. Maybe he means the shooting at Folklife, which was *clearly* the result of a gang-related dispute."
I think he was talking about the shooting at Vito's.
@tiktok "No, the WORST thing would be more people getting killed at hip hop shows. Right?"
That'd be ideal, but i guess only time will tell what the producers' real priorities are here.
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I completely agree that the violence would still be around in the abscence of hip hop shows. Where was the last fatal gang shooting before this? It was outside a community center, NOT a hip hop show.
I hope that the leaders of the local hip hop scene, because of their proximity to what's happening and their influence, can help find a way to fight this. Seems like shit just keeps getting worse, with no end in sight. The Central District shouldn't be a fucking war zone.
I hope that the leaders of the local hip hop scene, because of their proximity to what's happening and their influence, can help find a way to fight this. Seems like shit just keeps getting worse, with no end in sight. The Central District shouldn't be a fucking war zone.
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@11
"I think he was talking about the shooting at Vito's"
Which actually *was* gang-related. Point being?
"I think he was talking about the shooting at Vito's"
Which actually *was* gang-related. Point being?
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the violence had nothing to do with the hiphop show. from what i read, the killer purposely went there just because he knew that the person he wanted to kill was gonna be there. if the victim was at a death cab for cutie concert, he woulda went there too.
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@15
I can find news report of increased security at the Bite of Seattle after the Folklife shooting, but no reports of a shooting at the Bite of Seattle.
I can find news report of increased security at the Bite of Seattle after the Folklife shooting, but no reports of a shooting at the Bite of Seattle.
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@16, but he WASN'T at a Death Cab show, was he? Why is that?
Dominic @7, I think "tough guys" are the problem in the first place. I understand their grief is real, but I also think if the macho and the posturing was dialed down, gang-bangers wouldn't be so interested.
Dominic @7, I think "tough guys" are the problem in the first place. I understand their grief is real, but I also think if the macho and the posturing was dialed down, gang-bangers wouldn't be so interested.
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God Damn it. THIS SHOOTING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC AT ALL. A guy wanted another guy dead because of a personal beef between them, went to the spot he knew he'd be at, and tried to kill him. period. No promoter is responsible. No rapper, producer, DJ, etc.
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fnarf once again adding useless commentary to shit he doesn't know anything about. embrace the Slog idiots.
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When will you acquiesce Fnarf? Gangsters like music. They're human.
Amercian Gangsters adopted hip hop in the late 80s but before that it was Oldies, Soul and RnB..
Mexican Gangsters in Sinaloa and Durango listen to Narco Corridos and Duranguense.
1%ers love Willy Nelson
So now you've just whittled your concern down to "This music is bad because Gangsters listen to it."
Guess what. They'll listen to something else.
You're totally running on fumes with this campaign of yours at this point, Gums.
It's apparent to me that you just find the music offensive and slog is your griefing apparatus.
If it makes you feel better, I was a tough guy once. You know what motivated it? Desperation and cowardice. I discovered Gangster rap well into my tough guy phase. Before that I was all about The Go Gos. Hairnet and Pendleton, out back in the '69 Impala, smoking sherm, cleaning my cuete to Belinda, Gina, Jane, Kathy and Charlotte. True story.
Amercian Gangsters adopted hip hop in the late 80s but before that it was Oldies, Soul and RnB..
Mexican Gangsters in Sinaloa and Durango listen to Narco Corridos and Duranguense.
1%ers love Willy Nelson
So now you've just whittled your concern down to "This music is bad because Gangsters listen to it."
Guess what. They'll listen to something else.
You're totally running on fumes with this campaign of yours at this point, Gums.
It's apparent to me that you just find the music offensive and slog is your griefing apparatus.
If it makes you feel better, I was a tough guy once. You know what motivated it? Desperation and cowardice. I discovered Gangster rap well into my tough guy phase. Before that I was all about The Go Gos. Hairnet and Pendleton, out back in the '69 Impala, smoking sherm, cleaning my cuete to Belinda, Gina, Jane, Kathy and Charlotte. True story.
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So what they're saying is, there is a way to objectively tell 'safe' shows from 'unsafe' shows? Please, don't keep this wisdom a secret. Share it with the people.
Others people suggested creating community safety standards and identifying safe shows with some sort of seal on the poster. “Promoters need to be held accountable to protect these hiphop goers,” says Sonny Bonoho.
So what they're saying is, there is a way to objectively tell 'safe' shows from 'unsafe' shows? Please, don't keep this wisdom a secret. Share it with the people.
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If you label a show as 'Unsafe', aren't you buying into the idea that the music at that show (the promoters, the artists, the fan base) are part of the violence problem?
I thought we weren't allowed to draw lines of causation and relation between hiphop the music and hiphop the culture. Lest we all be reactionary fools.
I thought we weren't allowed to draw lines of causation and relation between hiphop the music and hiphop the culture. Lest we all be reactionary fools.
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I think the seal was more a seal of approval, to let people know that the artists on the bill and the promoter have taken the necessary steps to secure a safe show environment... I don't think it was the best idea and it would have to be backed by a committee that actually upheld the values.
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If the Hip-Hop culture truly has absolutely nothing to do with the danger than why are the producers discussing a rating system? Better yet, why aren't the producers demanding better security at the clubs and pulling shows when there is a known threat of violence?
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"I think the seal was more a seal of approval, to let people know that the artists on the bill and the promoter have taken the necessary steps to secure a safe show environment... I don't think it was the best idea and it would have to be backed by a committee that actually upheld the values."
Anyone that actually would care enough to participate would probably not be the type to swagger and grab their nuts, threaten other idiots, and have a following that's surprised when people call their bluff.
Anyone that actually would care enough to participate would probably not be the type to swagger and grab their nuts, threaten other idiots, and have a following that's surprised when people call their bluff.
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O.M.F.G.
Are you fucking kidding me?
After all that was said and blogged.
The great inspirational braintrust of the hip hop community... famous for their ability to communicate and get a message out....
Goes silent.
That was the result of your important meeting that we were all supposed to go brave the heavy snow and snarled traffic, just so we could "be there" and represent in person, lest we be told in the comments that "You didn't show up at the meeting so you should shut the f up."
Are you fucking kidding me?
Yep that is some real leadership there. Folks here told you what it would take for the mainstream public to believe that you weren't a bunch of disorganized windbags who couldn't represent your local hiphop scene if you tried. Heck instead of a united cohesive statement that you recongized your music, your organizers and you were directly responsible for this type of bullshit, you instead tucked tail realizing none of you were articulate, composed and personally dedicated enough to take some personal responsibility for what happened.
Instead you come on here and whine that "Hey man it wasn't our fault. It was a beef between 2 people and could have happened anywhere."
Bullshit.
As many have pointed out to you here numerous times in the last 2 days, this issue is continually found at venues supporting your hiphop culture.
Your lack of action will ultimately be Seattle's hip hop downfall.
Good Riddance to bad rubbish.
Please leave the state and go find some other place that will put up with your juvenile lifestyle.
Are you fucking kidding me?
After all that was said and blogged.
The great inspirational braintrust of the hip hop community... famous for their ability to communicate and get a message out....
Goes silent.
That was the result of your important meeting that we were all supposed to go brave the heavy snow and snarled traffic, just so we could "be there" and represent in person, lest we be told in the comments that "You didn't show up at the meeting so you should shut the f up."
Are you fucking kidding me?
Yep that is some real leadership there. Folks here told you what it would take for the mainstream public to believe that you weren't a bunch of disorganized windbags who couldn't represent your local hiphop scene if you tried. Heck instead of a united cohesive statement that you recongized your music, your organizers and you were directly responsible for this type of bullshit, you instead tucked tail realizing none of you were articulate, composed and personally dedicated enough to take some personal responsibility for what happened.
Instead you come on here and whine that "Hey man it wasn't our fault. It was a beef between 2 people and could have happened anywhere."
Bullshit.
As many have pointed out to you here numerous times in the last 2 days, this issue is continually found at venues supporting your hiphop culture.
Your lack of action will ultimately be Seattle's hip hop downfall.
Good Riddance to bad rubbish.
Please leave the state and go find some other place that will put up with your juvenile lifestyle.
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@26, that's the most idiotic thread I've ever read. And besides all the homophobia, check out "All alone wit my hand on Mac my 10 Handle.....Schemin' on you niggaz".
Um, yeah. Violence in Seattle's famously peace'n'luv hip hop community? Nah.
Um, yeah. Violence in Seattle's famously peace'n'luv hip hop community? Nah.
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as a bouncer who has worked many hiphop and rap shows, i think there is a point here that no one has mentioned. the seattle hiphop scene is very divided between the progressive/anti-violent Blue Scholars and Massline Records and the "old school" gang rap which promotes violence and gang warfare. I deal with less problems at a Blue Scholars show than with any rock show or "white music" concert.
Almost the exact same line-up that was at Chop Suey played a concert at El Corazon a few weeks ago. Our club was a sea of red clothing. I was threatened twice by patrons who were going to 'come back with a gun.' The crowd was on the edge of violence even as doors opened. These shows are put on by a giant fat moron named Big Kountry who lets the performers push gang agendas on stage and allows his musicians to incite riots.
Big surprise that the show at Chop Suey was one of his.
Also, my security team has called Seattle Police multiple times with forewarnings of shows that attract a tough crowd- mainly Juggalo and rap shows. Only once has the gang unit shown up. There is no increase of patrol cars past our club or any help at all with the gangs.
And before someone mentions that 'maybe we should stop putting these shows on', i'd like to point out that the small amount of concerts at large venues this winter was crippling for us. Any show is a show that pays the rent.
Almost the exact same line-up that was at Chop Suey played a concert at El Corazon a few weeks ago. Our club was a sea of red clothing. I was threatened twice by patrons who were going to 'come back with a gun.' The crowd was on the edge of violence even as doors opened. These shows are put on by a giant fat moron named Big Kountry who lets the performers push gang agendas on stage and allows his musicians to incite riots.
Big surprise that the show at Chop Suey was one of his.
Also, my security team has called Seattle Police multiple times with forewarnings of shows that attract a tough crowd- mainly Juggalo and rap shows. Only once has the gang unit shown up. There is no increase of patrol cars past our club or any help at all with the gangs.
And before someone mentions that 'maybe we should stop putting these shows on', i'd like to point out that the small amount of concerts at large venues this winter was crippling for us. Any show is a show that pays the rent.
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@mmalicious
Thanks for the comment. It's only the people that are willing to speak out against the worst of the community that are going to get anything done here. Then again, if the venues would actually listen. They do need to fill the bar during the rest of the week :(
And damn, Juggalos are the worst. One of the trashiest, dumbest, most psycho because they haven't got a future outside of flipping burgers music scenes in existence.
Thanks for the comment. It's only the people that are willing to speak out against the worst of the community that are going to get anything done here. Then again, if the venues would actually listen. They do need to fill the bar during the rest of the week :(
And damn, Juggalos are the worst. One of the trashiest, dumbest, most psycho because they haven't got a future outside of flipping burgers music scenes in existence.
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We are supposed to believe any of you 206Proof fools when you have one of the very people involved in the shooting spouting this stuff hourse after he left the hospital?
WTF?
What is all this shit supposed to mean:
so i saw this on black senate's myspace:
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ON SATURDAY NIGHT BLACK SENATE WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT CHOP SUEY IN SEATTLE.. THE MEDIA REPORTS THAT A FIGHT BROKE OUT WHICH LEAD TO GUN FIRE...... THIS IS NOT ACCURATE!!! THERE WAS A PLOT TO MURDER ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF BLACK SENATE THAT DIDNT GET CARRRIED OUT. MOST OF THE SHOOTING OCCURRED AT THE REAR ENTRANCE IN WHICH 3 PEOPLE WERE SHOOT. 29-E WAS MURDERED (R.I.P. MY DUDE! YOU WILL BE MISSED DEARLY!!!!!), OUR BELOVED PRESWELL JACKSON WAS STRUCK IN THE CHEST, WE ARE PRAYING HARD THAT HE PULLS THRU THIS. HE IS STILL IN CRITICAL CONDITION AND TRAMA FROM BLACK SENATE WAS STRUCK TWICE BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL. EVEN AFTER BEING SHOT TRAMA AND HIS GROUP DEFENDED THEMSELVES LIKE GENERALS SUPPOSED TOO! THIS SENSELESS ACT OF VIOLENCE WAS STUPID AND VERY UNCALLED FOR. ITS NOT GANSTA TO TAKE AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE. NOR IS IT RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO TAKE SOMEONES LIFE THAT NEVER TOOK A LIFE FROM YOU! ONE PERSON IN CUSTODY THUS FAR BUT THERE ARE TWO MORE SUSPECTS THAT MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THEIR PART IN THIS TRAGEDY.... TO THOSE WHO SECRETLY (yes we know!) HAD A HAND IN THIS HORRIBLE, STUPID, NOW U KNOCKED FOR LIFE SITUATION, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!
BLACK SENATE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR LOVE AND HEARTS TO THE FALLEN/FALLING SOLDIERS 29-E AND PRESWELL JACKSON......OUR PRAYERS ARE HEAVY FOR THIER SOULS....................LETS MAKE MUSIC NOT WAR
STOP THE FAKE GANSTA SHIT!!!!!!!! THROW YA HANDS UP IF YOU A MAN!!! YOU GET MORE STREET CREDIBILITY FROM LAYING HANDS ON SOMEONE THAN JUST SHOOTING UP A CLUB! THATS JUST DUMB!
this suntzu now... i was wondering how they "defended themselve's like generals supposed 2 do" did i miss somethin or was there a fite after a mad gunman let off & fled the scene? im not tryin 2 clown but im gettin the sence that cats is a lil juiced up on they self's... i also seen this on sohh.com
By TRAMA730 on January 5, 2009 5:10 AM
THIS IS YA BOY TRAMA!!!!! YO KILLA STOP WIT ALL THAT INTERNET THUG SHIT SON IF YOU KNEW WHAT REALLY POPPED OFF IN WHATS CRACKING RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD RESPECT A NIGGA GANSTA................RIP TA 29-E IN PREZ GET WELL SOON SON HOLLA AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Killa & Trama on January 5, 2009 5:41 AM
Hey Trama, You just had a mother fucker run in on a music set, try to fucking kill you. You are fucking up the scene for all us other Mc's who have our shit wound up on the business tip. People dont try to off me at my shows. You're just a weak nigga who can't control his business. looks like someone talk to much. fake ass pussy nigga. now you gonna fight back? Retaliate? Quit comin all hard and shit saying you beat death nigga, YOU KILLED 29-E FAGGOT. Prez and 29 ain't have nothing to do with your DRAMA, HE TOOK YOUR BULLET. now sleep tonight knowin Seattle homies died for you. Put your fucking attitude in your pocket. You can't even rap.
THIS SUNTZU LIKE I SAID IM NOT TRYIN 2 BE DISRESPECTFUL BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS DUDE ALREADY ON SOME 50 CENT SHIT I GOT SHOT IM STIL BREATHIN NIGGAS TRIED 2 MURDER ME ALL THAT stuff when A REAL NIGGA WOULDNT HAVE LET OFF IN A CROWD HE WOULDA WALKED UP AND SHOT U IN YOUR FACE (LIKE THE SHOOTING ON 23RD & CHERRY OUTSIDE THE GARF. COMM CENTER & AT VITOS) I FEEL 4 U TRAMA U GOT SHOT AT OR WHATEVER AND ALL THE VICTIMS THATS BEEN HURT BUT PLZ DONT GLAMOROUS THIS SITUATION ESPECIALLY SEEIN AS YA MANS IS SHOT THE FUCK UP RITE NOW HOW WOULD HE FEEL HEARIN ALL THIS SHIT?
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WTF?
What is all this shit supposed to mean:
so i saw this on black senate's myspace:
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ON SATURDAY NIGHT BLACK SENATE WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT CHOP SUEY IN SEATTLE.. THE MEDIA REPORTS THAT A FIGHT BROKE OUT WHICH LEAD TO GUN FIRE...... THIS IS NOT ACCURATE!!! THERE WAS A PLOT TO MURDER ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF BLACK SENATE THAT DIDNT GET CARRRIED OUT. MOST OF THE SHOOTING OCCURRED AT THE REAR ENTRANCE IN WHICH 3 PEOPLE WERE SHOOT. 29-E WAS MURDERED (R.I.P. MY DUDE! YOU WILL BE MISSED DEARLY!!!!!), OUR BELOVED PRESWELL JACKSON WAS STRUCK IN THE CHEST, WE ARE PRAYING HARD THAT HE PULLS THRU THIS. HE IS STILL IN CRITICAL CONDITION AND TRAMA FROM BLACK SENATE WAS STRUCK TWICE BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL. EVEN AFTER BEING SHOT TRAMA AND HIS GROUP DEFENDED THEMSELVES LIKE GENERALS SUPPOSED TOO! THIS SENSELESS ACT OF VIOLENCE WAS STUPID AND VERY UNCALLED FOR. ITS NOT GANSTA TO TAKE AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE. NOR IS IT RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO TAKE SOMEONES LIFE THAT NEVER TOOK A LIFE FROM YOU! ONE PERSON IN CUSTODY THUS FAR BUT THERE ARE TWO MORE SUSPECTS THAT MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THEIR PART IN THIS TRAGEDY.... TO THOSE WHO SECRETLY (yes we know!) HAD A HAND IN THIS HORRIBLE, STUPID, NOW U KNOCKED FOR LIFE SITUATION, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!
BLACK SENATE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR LOVE AND HEARTS TO THE FALLEN/FALLING SOLDIERS 29-E AND PRESWELL JACKSON......OUR PRAYERS ARE HEAVY FOR THIER SOULS....................LETS MAKE MUSIC NOT WAR
STOP THE FAKE GANSTA SHIT!!!!!!!! THROW YA HANDS UP IF YOU A MAN!!! YOU GET MORE STREET CREDIBILITY FROM LAYING HANDS ON SOMEONE THAN JUST SHOOTING UP A CLUB! THATS JUST DUMB!
this suntzu now... i was wondering how they "defended themselve's like generals supposed 2 do" did i miss somethin or was there a fite after a mad gunman let off & fled the scene? im not tryin 2 clown but im gettin the sence that cats is a lil juiced up on they self's... i also seen this on sohh.com
By TRAMA730 on January 5, 2009 5:10 AM
THIS IS YA BOY TRAMA!!!!! YO KILLA STOP WIT ALL THAT INTERNET THUG SHIT SON IF YOU KNEW WHAT REALLY POPPED OFF IN WHATS CRACKING RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD RESPECT A NIGGA GANSTA................RIP TA 29-E IN PREZ GET WELL SOON SON HOLLA AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Killa & Trama on January 5, 2009 5:41 AM
Hey Trama, You just had a mother fucker run in on a music set, try to fucking kill you. You are fucking up the scene for all us other Mc's who have our shit wound up on the business tip. People dont try to off me at my shows. You're just a weak nigga who can't control his business. looks like someone talk to much. fake ass pussy nigga. now you gonna fight back? Retaliate? Quit comin all hard and shit saying you beat death nigga, YOU KILLED 29-E FAGGOT. Prez and 29 ain't have nothing to do with your DRAMA, HE TOOK YOUR BULLET. now sleep tonight knowin Seattle homies died for you. Put your fucking attitude in your pocket. You can't even rap.
THIS SUNTZU LIKE I SAID IM NOT TRYIN 2 BE DISRESPECTFUL BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS DUDE ALREADY ON SOME 50 CENT SHIT I GOT SHOT IM STIL BREATHIN NIGGAS TRIED 2 MURDER ME ALL THAT stuff when A REAL NIGGA WOULDNT HAVE LET OFF IN A CROWD HE WOULDA WALKED UP AND SHOT U IN YOUR FACE (LIKE THE SHOOTING ON 23RD & CHERRY OUTSIDE THE GARF. COMM CENTER & AT VITOS) I FEEL 4 U TRAMA U GOT SHOT AT OR WHATEVER AND ALL THE VICTIMS THATS BEEN HURT BUT PLZ DONT GLAMOROUS THIS SITUATION ESPECIALLY SEEIN AS YA MANS IS SHOT THE FUCK UP RITE NOW HOW WOULD HE FEEL HEARIN ALL THIS SHIT?
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TRAMA I GOT PUSSY NIGGAZ PUTTIN MONEY ON MY HEAD,GO ON GET CHA REFUND MUTHERFUCKA I AINT DEAD!!!! MY PREYERS GO OUT TO PREZ N 29 E
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus…
TRAMA I GOT PUSSY NIGGAZ PUTTIN MONEY ON MY HEAD,GO ON GET CHA REFUND MUTHERFUCKA I AINT DEAD!!!! MY PREYERS GO OUT TO PREZ N 29 E
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus…
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@35 mmalicious
SPD has done their best to respond to advance warnings from clubs such as yours but the citizens of Seattle do not put police on the streets to augment private industry at the expense of other tax payers.
If you truly feel your club is unable to control your event that is not the city's fault. Your booking agent should be coordinating with Security to screen the events they are booking. Being closed for one night is infinitely cheaper than having a shooting.
SPD has done their best to respond to advance warnings from clubs such as yours but the citizens of Seattle do not put police on the streets to augment private industry at the expense of other tax payers.
If you truly feel your club is unable to control your event that is not the city's fault. Your booking agent should be coordinating with Security to screen the events they are booking. Being closed for one night is infinitely cheaper than having a shooting.
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@bs2mmalicious
I sympathize with both of your POVs, but in mmalicious' defense it sounds as if he is honestly trying to be proactive security-wise.
I sympathize with both of your POVs, but in mmalicious' defense it sounds as if he is honestly trying to be proactive security-wise.
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@ 35...thanks for speaking out about the huge differences between the progressives and the gangsta rappers in seattle hip-hop.
I think this shooting was a tragedy for those injured and murdered, and also for the hip-hop community at large. A lot of the comments to these recent posts on the slog have opened my eyes to the racism in Seattle, always hiding under the surface until something happens to "those people".
It's fucked up that people think it's okay that black people are killed, as if they deserve it. Why should SPD worry about a gang threat? Oh because they deserve it?! It makes me sick to read some of this backwards crap.
People need to start looking past their stereotypes of black culture and hip hop culture, and embrace our positive local hip hop scene for all that it is doing, uniting our communities of color and uplifting our youth.
Maybe violence is perpetuated by violent lyrics and artists that glorify that lifestyle, but we can't blanket all hip hop or all brown people as a threat. It's time we treat each other as humans.
I think this shooting was a tragedy for those injured and murdered, and also for the hip-hop community at large. A lot of the comments to these recent posts on the slog have opened my eyes to the racism in Seattle, always hiding under the surface until something happens to "those people".
It's fucked up that people think it's okay that black people are killed, as if they deserve it. Why should SPD worry about a gang threat? Oh because they deserve it?! It makes me sick to read some of this backwards crap.
People need to start looking past their stereotypes of black culture and hip hop culture, and embrace our positive local hip hop scene for all that it is doing, uniting our communities of color and uplifting our youth.
Maybe violence is perpetuated by violent lyrics and artists that glorify that lifestyle, but we can't blanket all hip hop or all brown people as a threat. It's time we treat each other as humans.
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what all of you fail to understand is that this was a targeted hit on a specific individual by the shooter who drove FROM EVERETT to SEATTLE because he knew his target would be at this show. this could have been a fucking death cab show. a mad rad show. a pearl jam show.
would you still be blaming hip hop then?
would you still be blaming hip hop then?
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Seferiana, who here is talking about brown people? The shooter and the dead man were both white, weren't they?
As for uplifting, that sure isn't what I'm seeing. I'm seeing nothing but dickhead posturing by tough guys looking for a way to absolve their tough attitudes from leading to gunfire in a club.
And the fact is, it WASN'T a Death Cab show. Why do you think that is? It was a show from a culture that values nothing but money and guns, even if they sometimes toss in some rote "one love" rhetoric to make themselves look like wise men.
As for uplifting, that sure isn't what I'm seeing. I'm seeing nothing but dickhead posturing by tough guys looking for a way to absolve their tough attitudes from leading to gunfire in a club.
And the fact is, it WASN'T a Death Cab show. Why do you think that is? It was a show from a culture that values nothing but money and guns, even if they sometimes toss in some rote "one love" rhetoric to make themselves look like wise men.
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