Monday, January 5, 2009
City Club Shootings: A Timeline
Posted by Erica C. Barnett on Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM
A (noncomprehensive) list of shootings inside and directly outside bars and nightclubs in Seattle in the last two years:
January 3, 2009. Venue: Chop Suey, 1325 East Madison St. Victims: Two men injured, one seriously; one man killed.
November 23, 2008. Venue: Vito's Madison Grill, 927 9th Ave. Victim: One man killed.
November 23, 2008. Venue: Venom, 2218 Western Ave. Victims: Two wounded.
July 12, 2008. Venue: Outside Waid's Haitian Lounge, 1212 East Jefferson St. Victim: One woman shot and injured.
January 26, 2008. Venue: Baltic Room, 1207 Pine Street. Victim: One man killed.
November 19, 2007. Venue: Sugar Nightclub, 916 East Pike St. (since closed). Victims: Three people wounded.
October 6, 2007. Venue: Level 5,, 332 5th Ave. North. Victims: Four men shot and injured.
July 25, 2007. Venue: Outside the Satellite Lounge, 1118 East Pine St. Victim: One wounded.
July 2, 2007. Venue: Tabella, 2333 Western Ave. (since closed). Victim: One man, 18, shot and injured.
June 23, 2007. Venue: Tommy's Nightclub, 4552 University Way NE. Victim: One man wounded.
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After people actually die in a shooting at a nightclub should you really reopen? I am not someone who believe in bad luck, karma or anythingelse "mystical" but it just seems like a bad idea.
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Hmmm... it looks like you guys had better step up your level of violence if you want to be considered a really progressive city.
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Move along people. Nothing to see here. 18 people shot in 18 months is just a coincidence.
What happened to the idea of Nightclub Licenses?
Has the new fangled Nightlife Advisory Board come up with a single idea yet?
What happened to the idea of Nightclub Licenses?
Has the new fangled Nightlife Advisory Board come up with a single idea yet?
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See, I just read the one about the Satellite. It was a drive by, where the victim happened to be standing in front of it. Why is it on the list? I'm not going to waste my time looking at the others.
The problem with getting news analysis from someone like ECB is you never know if she's manipulating it to push her agenda or just lazy.
The problem with getting news analysis from someone like ECB is you never know if she's manipulating it to push her agenda or just lazy.
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The culprit is really hip hop. It's evil music and breeds violence. How often do you hear about a shooting at a jazz club, disco, swing, our country?
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I was walking by R Place on Saturday morning around 2am, and saw ambulances surrounding the place and a gurney being taken inside... ask another passerby, and he said there was a shooting- obviously that was not the case, but does anyone know what actually happened?
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@9, they said that listening to the Beach Boys in the early 1960's would lead to teenage criminal behavior too.
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As long as hip hop cultural products include the meme that thuggery is a virtue, there will be thuggery in close proximity to hip hop. Nobody should be surprised by any of this.
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I'm not sure what point ECB is trying to make by this listing.
If she takes the position that the clubs are somehow responsible for this, we may as well declare the Stranger's death as an "alternative" newspaper right now and finally recognize its status as the Propaganda Arm of Mayor Nickels, Inc.
If she takes the position that the clubs are somehow responsible for this, we may as well declare the Stranger's death as an "alternative" newspaper right now and finally recognize its status as the Propaganda Arm of Mayor Nickels, Inc.
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@8 for the win! (Your clarity of judgment re: ECB content is stunning.)
@2 & @3- One mustn't ask those questions... (you fucking racists)
@4- Please see @8
@2 & @3- One mustn't ask those questions... (you fucking racists)
@4- Please see @8
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With the exception of the shooting at Satellite Lounge, ALL of these shooting occurred at clubs that were having a hip-hop event when the shooting occurred. I'm NOT advocating for banning hip-hop events or anything like that, and I realize that the vast majority of hip-hop events in Seattle are violence free (or at least without a shooting), but anyone who says that hip-hop and all these shootings are unrelated is kidding themselves. There is clearly, plainly, and obviously a connection between the two. Again, I realize that the vast majority of the hip-hop community is peaceful (or at least don't settle disputes with guns), but until these fringe elements of the hip-hop community that are committing these shootings learn to behave in a civilized way, I think that hip-hip is going to eventually become a radioactive pariah that no club (or club goer) will touch with a ten foot pole. And if the shootings don't stop, then perhaps this is a good thing.
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In contrast, the zydeco dances seem very peaceful... full of guys with gray pony tails, carrying a latte (in their own cup), and a soft bag with the Utne reader sticking out.
They might polite you to death, though.
They might polite you to death, though.
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@11 -- well, the Beach Boys were shooting heroin and gang-banging the Manson Girls, who all lived in Dennis Wilson's house for a while (necessitating near-constant treatment for gonorrhea), so maybe they were right to be afraid.
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I wonder how many people die in illegal smoking bars that the Stranger encourages people to have?
Just wondering ...
Just wondering ...
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I am shocked, just SHOCKED! that in a city, there might be shootings. And at clubs, I mean WTF? I am so shocked!
I mean, OMFG. Really? At every turn, there is a type of music to blame for violence, or someone calling it more violent then the other music.
For example, hardcore shows. Or goth's used to be the problem (with their scary black coats!). Before that it was the grunge kids killing themselves, or the metal kids lighting shit on fire (oh wait, was that beavis and buttheads fault?) and even before that it was (insert musical genre).
Goddamnit. It doesn't matter the decade or year or whatever. Kids are fucked up. Kids will run around and probably do fucked up shit (kill, rape, steal). They will do this until the end of time as they always have. And when you are in a high population center, with access to more weapons and opportunity and poverty, holy balls!, its worse than in other areas. Big surprise, I know.
But please, let's go back to talking about how this is rap's fault. Cause right now in many parts the world, the skins are fighting the punks (to death)....the metal kids fighting the emo kids (to death).
@9:Oh and big fucking surprise there isn't death at jazz shows, since the "kids" are no longer into it. But there were totally crazy brawls and deaths in jazz bars, back when it was the "in" music. Christ, do you people really have no memory?
I mean, OMFG. Really? At every turn, there is a type of music to blame for violence, or someone calling it more violent then the other music.
For example, hardcore shows. Or goth's used to be the problem (with their scary black coats!). Before that it was the grunge kids killing themselves, or the metal kids lighting shit on fire (oh wait, was that beavis and buttheads fault?) and even before that it was (insert musical genre).
Goddamnit. It doesn't matter the decade or year or whatever. Kids are fucked up. Kids will run around and probably do fucked up shit (kill, rape, steal). They will do this until the end of time as they always have. And when you are in a high population center, with access to more weapons and opportunity and poverty, holy balls!, its worse than in other areas. Big surprise, I know.
But please, let's go back to talking about how this is rap's fault. Cause right now in many parts the world, the skins are fighting the punks (to death)....the metal kids fighting the emo kids (to death).
@9:Oh and big fucking surprise there isn't death at jazz shows, since the "kids" are no longer into it. But there were totally crazy brawls and deaths in jazz bars, back when it was the "in" music. Christ, do you people really have no memory?
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10 shooting incidents and 3 deaths in 2 years? Citywide? Maybe I'm jaded by growing up in LA, but that just doesn't seem all that bad to me.
So Seattle nightclubs aren't quite as safe as Disneyland, but Disneyland doesn't serve alcohol.
So Seattle nightclubs aren't quite as safe as Disneyland, but Disneyland doesn't serve alcohol.
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the problem is not hip hop. jeezus. seriously?
these club shootings are just a symptom of a much larger, much more troubling problem: gang violence. Here in the CD, there's been an uptick of shootings since the end of summer. (I've lost track, but I want to say we're up to maybe eight - some fatal, others not.) Just in the last couple of weeks we've had two young men shot and critically injured. if the city or the larger seattle community goes after nightclubs or the hip hop community, then they are completely missing the point.
these club shootings are just a symptom of a much larger, much more troubling problem: gang violence. Here in the CD, there's been an uptick of shootings since the end of summer. (I've lost track, but I want to say we're up to maybe eight - some fatal, others not.) Just in the last couple of weeks we've had two young men shot and critically injured. if the city or the larger seattle community goes after nightclubs or the hip hop community, then they are completely missing the point.
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@30
re: gang violence? What do gangsters listen to? Hip-hop. What does certain genres of hip-hop glorify? Gangsters. This is inseparable.
Until the hip-hop scene can eject the gangster element from attending its club nights, then those club nights will be associated with violence. By refusing to acknowledge the link between the music and the violence, you're not taking the first step towards removing the violence from the music.
It may be a small minority of people, but the hip-hop community owns the issue and has to own up to the issue by disowning that crowd. Excuses enable it to continue.
re: gang violence? What do gangsters listen to? Hip-hop. What does certain genres of hip-hop glorify? Gangsters. This is inseparable.
Until the hip-hop scene can eject the gangster element from attending its club nights, then those club nights will be associated with violence. By refusing to acknowledge the link between the music and the violence, you're not taking the first step towards removing the violence from the music.
It may be a small minority of people, but the hip-hop community owns the issue and has to own up to the issue by disowning that crowd. Excuses enable it to continue.
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So there were 10 different shootings outside of 10 different clubs in a 17 month span in Seattle?
Hmm, that's it? Seriously, have any of you been to Phoenix, L.A., Vegas, or DC or any other large city? There are places where there are 10 shootings a month around clubs! Christ! Talk about mountains & molehills! Spend some time in Compton and tell me Seattle has out-of-control crime! Here, when there is a murder it actually makes it into the paper, generally in the first section. In Phoenix we had so many fatalities (murders, hit-and-runs, shaken babies, drunk drivers etc etc) that they hardly got a mention, if at all.
p.s. In the immortal words of Jeff Foxworthy: "If your mommy still drives you to school, you ain't no gangster." Most of Seattle's "gangbangers" are just silly kids playing dress-up. Let them have their silly clothes and crappy music. Yeah, a few are real pieces of $hit, but very few of them are like what you get in city's with real slums.
Hmm, that's it? Seriously, have any of you been to Phoenix, L.A., Vegas, or DC or any other large city? There are places where there are 10 shootings a month around clubs! Christ! Talk about mountains & molehills! Spend some time in Compton and tell me Seattle has out-of-control crime! Here, when there is a murder it actually makes it into the paper, generally in the first section. In Phoenix we had so many fatalities (murders, hit-and-runs, shaken babies, drunk drivers etc etc) that they hardly got a mention, if at all.
p.s. In the immortal words of Jeff Foxworthy: "If your mommy still drives you to school, you ain't no gangster." Most of Seattle's "gangbangers" are just silly kids playing dress-up. Let them have their silly clothes and crappy music. Yeah, a few are real pieces of $hit, but very few of them are like what you get in city's with real slums.
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"very few of them are like what you get in city's with real slums."
Obviously, but why encourage the tiny dicked wonders? Why the fuck are ANY drivebys tolerable within a community?
Obviously, but why encourage the tiny dicked wonders? Why the fuck are ANY drivebys tolerable within a community?
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In 2006 (November, I think) there was a stabbing at the Funhouse. It was a hardcore show on a Sunday night. Club violence is not limited to hip hop shows (but it is more prevalent).
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"In 2006 (November, I think) there was a stabbing at the Funhouse. It was a hardcore show on a Sunday night. Club violence is not limited to hip hop shows (but it is more prevalent)."
Yeah, the hardcore crowd can be pretty worthless too. When they start shooting people, you better believe people are going to bitch on both sides.
Yeah, the hardcore crowd can be pretty worthless too. When they start shooting people, you better believe people are going to bitch on both sides.
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