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News & ArtsSunday, December 28, 2008
Sports Lions Make History
Posted by Dan Savage on Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM
With Brad gone and only theater- and book-loving straight boys left on staff... I guess I'll have to post this:
The Detroit Lions own a distinction no team wants: worst in NFL history.Facing one last chance to avoid their dubious destiny, the Lions lost Sunday's season finale to the Green Bay Packers 31-21 to complete the league's first 0-16 season. The 1976 expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers (0-14) were the last NFL team to complete a season without a victory.
Ouch.
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In related news
with it's second resounding defeat
in the Golden Bear state
Gay Marriage is now 0-30.
ouch
with it's second resounding defeat
in the Golden Bear state
Gay Marriage is now 0-30.
ouch
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Hey but the city of Detroit did help finance an awesome new stadium a few years back. Some good that did.
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@ 2: actually, with MA and CT and a whole bunch of foreign countries, gay marriage is doing much better than the Detroit Lions, or your sorry ass, you douchewashback-drinking shitbag.
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Actually, the Colts were 0-8-1 in the strike season (1982).
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_an_NF…
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_an_NF…
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Something to wrap your brain around - I wonder if the monolithic politics of the corporate auto industry had anything to do with that city becoming the most blighted in the nation?
Once, like Seattle now, it was the most modern city in the Nation and hundreds of thousands flocked to the beacon it represented.
But, perhaps I'm just being more blunt than Savage.
Once, like Seattle now, it was the most modern city in the Nation and hundreds of thousands flocked to the beacon it represented.
But, perhaps I'm just being more blunt than Savage.
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@5 - I'm in Cincinnati, the Bengals are just as bad, and the idiot voters of this city did the same fucking thing.
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@2 and 6
CT and MA gay marriage were judge imposed.
Voters in both states have been denied the chance to vote on the issue, polls show they, like voters in ALL THIRTY STATES that have voted on the matter would BAN GAY MARRIAGE.
If the Lions could get refs of the calibre of CA, MA and CT judges they could have had themselves declared winners.
your welcome, Dan
CT and MA gay marriage were judge imposed.
Voters in both states have been denied the chance to vote on the issue, polls show they, like voters in ALL THIRTY STATES that have voted on the matter would BAN GAY MARRIAGE.
If the Lions could get refs of the calibre of CA, MA and CT judges they could have had themselves declared winners.
your welcome, Dan
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Yeah, judges in New England states ended enslavement of African Americans, too -- without any vote at all.
Tells you all you need to know about whether they are lousy refs in the game of "human rights," doesn't it?
Tells you all you need to know about whether they are lousy refs in the game of "human rights," doesn't it?
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How much correlation is there between's a team win percentage and the profit they bring in? I mean, it's possible for a team to be winless yet still make decent money, no? (And likewise, a great team can be managed poorly moneywise?)
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@15
You're so right.
Blackmun was a Harvard man.
ThirtyTwo Million (32,000,000) SLAUGHTERED and counting.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Mao,
PolPot
and all the other mass murderers
in history are green
with envy.
You're so right.
Blackmun was a Harvard man.
ThirtyTwo Million (32,000,000) SLAUGHTERED and counting.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Mao,
PolPot
and all the other mass murderers
in history are green
with envy.
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"only theater- and book-loving straight boys left on staff"
Since when did Jonah like theater or books without pictures?
Since when did Jonah like theater or books without pictures?
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Professional football. How can one truly care? The only sport that matters around here, deep down, is college football. Husky football. 120 years of football at the University of Washington. All else pales. Even baseball is meaningless in comparison.
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Oh, I guess they'd only need 10. And if they hadn't scraped out a win over the also awful Kansas City Chiefs last year, they'd only need 3 more losses.
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@15 and 25
I just want to point out that PC made a short, succinct, and totally bullshit post @15. That is all.
Abolition in New England occurred state by state at the instigation of Christians who worked to have legislation passed.
Sort of like the way gay marriage is being abolished in America today.
Trying to have unelected judges over rule voter passed Constitutional Amendments is dictatorship dressed up in black robes.
Death to Tyrants.
I just want to point out that PC made a short, succinct, and totally bullshit post @15. That is all.
Abolition in New England occurred state by state at the instigation of Christians who worked to have legislation passed.
Sort of like the way gay marriage is being abolished in America today.
Trying to have unelected judges over rule voter passed Constitutional Amendments is dictatorship dressed up in black robes.
Death to Tyrants.
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@ 15 25 28
Of course, it took the Republican Party to make it nation-wide, and to make it stick.
Glory Glory Hallelujah !
GOP- always in the right,
and on the right side of history.
Of course, it took the Republican Party to make it nation-wide, and to make it stick.
Glory Glory Hallelujah !
GOP- always in the right,
and on the right side of history.
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oh, Dan, you really ant me to worry about the Detroit Lions?
geez, what a crock of shit - I was working on my truck all weekend - and groping my guy
pro football is only as good as the tight silky clad ass in the air
who care about some silly score, I think the games are rigged anyway
geez, what a crock of shit - I was working on my truck all weekend - and groping my guy
pro football is only as good as the tight silky clad ass in the air
who care about some silly score, I think the games are rigged anyway
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Interracial marriage bans were overturned by the courts. Was it wrong? Should interracial couples been forced to prove to majority that interracial marriage bans were wrong, and unconstitutional? Should interracial couples have been force to live without such basic rights until the majority of people were on board?
Does a majority vote make any and everything right? Can a town that is 99% Christian vote to make the 1% of Jewish folks lesser citizens, with fewer rights?
It is the courts place to overturn unconstitutional laws. The Bill of Rights ensures that the rights of minorities are not trampled upon by the masses.
Does a majority vote make any and everything right? Can a town that is 99% Christian vote to make the 1% of Jewish folks lesser citizens, with fewer rights?
It is the courts place to overturn unconstitutional laws. The Bill of Rights ensures that the rights of minorities are not trampled upon by the masses.
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@ 28 & 29. And you think slavery in America ended with the Emancipation Proclamation?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
Those glorious northerners and Christians felt mighty good about themselves, putting an end to bad, bad slavery. What a wonderful "right" they brought to the black folks, no? They cared so much about them, didn't they? They cared so much that they . . . passed a law.
Black people in America suffered from racism, Jim Crow, and legal slavery for another century after the Civil War, and it wasn't just in the south.
And yeah, we have our own Abe Lincoln in the White House now. Lincoln: someone who waxed poetic about all men being equal, while also saying this:
But don't worry! He also said this:
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President. Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
Source: (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
Gosh! Lincoln's take on "negro rights" is pretty darn close to Obama's opinion on gay rights, isn't it? Separate but equal.
More...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
Those glorious northerners and Christians felt mighty good about themselves, putting an end to bad, bad slavery. What a wonderful "right" they brought to the black folks, no? They cared so much about them, didn't they? They cared so much that they . . . passed a law.
Black people in America suffered from racism, Jim Crow, and legal slavery for another century after the Civil War, and it wasn't just in the south.
And yeah, we have our own Abe Lincoln in the White House now. Lincoln: someone who waxed poetic about all men being equal, while also saying this:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; . . . I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
But don't worry! He also said this:
I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President. Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
Source: (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
Gosh! Lincoln's take on "negro rights" is pretty darn close to Obama's opinion on gay rights, isn't it? Separate but equal.
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If Lincoln isn't good enough for you then Obama won't have a chance.
Prepare to be disappointed.
If Lincoln isn't good enough for you then Obama won't have a chance.
Prepare to be disappointed.
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34.
I didn't say that. My post was in response to those who were pretending that Lincoln and the GOP were and are the epitome of inclusion and civil rights in this country. Context, please.
I'm sure if the slaves had heard Lincoln's debate with Douglas, they'd have still wanted him to win. They'd have said, hopefully, "he's just saying that to get elected." After everything he said about them, the slaves would have still voted for Lincoln. And look what they got after the war ended. Not much. The parallels are striking, I think.
Whether or not Lincoln is "good enough" for me is beside the point. He was not a champion of AA rights, neither were the abolitionists or northerners. I am beyond tired of Republicans and neo-cons holding Lincoln up as the Great Benevolent Leader of their Party and an example of their attitudes on civil rights.
That was my only point, and perhaps I should have stated it more clearly.
Obama can't disappoint me because I voted for him with no illusions.
Screw you back and Happy New Year.
I didn't say that. My post was in response to those who were pretending that Lincoln and the GOP were and are the epitome of inclusion and civil rights in this country. Context, please.
I'm sure if the slaves had heard Lincoln's debate with Douglas, they'd have still wanted him to win. They'd have said, hopefully, "he's just saying that to get elected." After everything he said about them, the slaves would have still voted for Lincoln. And look what they got after the war ended. Not much. The parallels are striking, I think.
Whether or not Lincoln is "good enough" for me is beside the point. He was not a champion of AA rights, neither were the abolitionists or northerners. I am beyond tired of Republicans and neo-cons holding Lincoln up as the Great Benevolent Leader of their Party and an example of their attitudes on civil rights.
That was my only point, and perhaps I should have stated it more clearly.
Obama can't disappoint me because I voted for him with no illusions.
Screw you back and Happy New Year.
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If you look at the society Lincoln inherited and the one he left to posterity you have to be amazed at the changes and improvements he wrought.
To quibble and nit pick is moronic.
Blacks in Lincoln's day had no doubts about who their friend was.
If you look at the society Lincoln inherited and the one he left to posterity you have to be amazed at the changes and improvements he wrought.
To quibble and nit pick is moronic.
Blacks in Lincoln's day had no doubts about who their friend was.
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Gotta hand it to the Ford family, which owns the Detroit Lions -- they are true innovators in the art of mass production.
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37.
The good that Lincoln did our country is so obvious I would have been condescending to mention it. My post was devoted to one small aspect of the entire man.
Do I really have to spell everything out here on Slog? I don't think so; this is an intelligent site (for the most part).
It took almost another hundred years for blacks to have full civil rights, and that is in large part because Lincoln's purpose in freeing the slaves had nothing to do with his ideas on "civil rights." He also did away with Habeas Corpus during the war, and abused his powers as president. So when the GOP says, "we're the Party of Lincoln," it's pretty darn ironic. And quite telling.
But we're losing the big picture here, and that's that the Detroit Lions had a losing season.
The good that Lincoln did our country is so obvious I would have been condescending to mention it. My post was devoted to one small aspect of the entire man.
Do I really have to spell everything out here on Slog? I don't think so; this is an intelligent site (for the most part).
It took almost another hundred years for blacks to have full civil rights, and that is in large part because Lincoln's purpose in freeing the slaves had nothing to do with his ideas on "civil rights." He also did away with Habeas Corpus during the war, and abused his powers as president. So when the GOP says, "we're the Party of Lincoln," it's pretty darn ironic. And quite telling.
But we're losing the big picture here, and that's that the Detroit Lions had a losing season.
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Too bad Lincoln didn't live to see the completion of his vision: the repatriation / deportation of blacks to Africa.
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thanks Mike in Mo. I'll note (to connect all the comments here) that losing is the ultimate steeling-up for winning if you stay determined and positive. Calvin Johnson, former Coug Jason Hanson, and rookie Kevin Smith are the Lions' minority that the gays and their straight allies should shaking the underdog pom pons for.
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Lincoln took the nation as far as it could go and farther than anyone would have dreamed possible in 1859;and blacks made more progress during his 4 years than during any other 100 year period in our history.
Lincoln did not abuse his powers when he suspended Habeas Corpus, he was exercising them judiciously to preserve the nation in a time of critical peril.
Lincoln took the nation as far as it could go and farther than anyone would have dreamed possible in 1859;and blacks made more progress during his 4 years than during any other 100 year period in our history.
Lincoln did not abuse his powers when he suspended Habeas Corpus, he was exercising them judiciously to preserve the nation in a time of critical peril.
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43.
I agree!
However, that wasn't my point. And I can't seem to express it in a way that makes sense to anyone, so I'm gonna give up.
blacks made more progress during his 4 years than during any other 100 year period in our history.
I agree!
However, that wasn't my point. And I can't seem to express it in a way that makes sense to anyone, so I'm gonna give up.
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Do you think it's really an army of little trolls, or one or two big ones using several different names?
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