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Monday, December 22, 2008

What She Said

Posted by Erica C. Barnett on Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Katha Pollitt on Rick Warren:

To understand how angry and disappointed many Democrats are that Barack Obama has invited evangelical preacher Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inaugural, imagine if a President-elect John McCain had offered this unique honor to the Rev. Al Sharpton — or the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. I know, it's hard to picture: John McCain would never do that in a million years. Republicans respect their base even when, as in McCain's case, it doesn't really return the favor.

Only Democrats, it seems, reward their most loyal supporters — feminists, gays, liberals, opponents of the war, members of the reality-based community — by elbowing them aside to embrace their opponents instead. [...]

Warren claims that his views are mainstream, pointing out that in 30 states, the majority of voters have banned gay marriage. Popular doesn't mean right, of course, but regardless of what Americans think about gay marriage, on other so-called social issues, he's way out in far-right field.

Take abortion. Most Americans, whatever their personal feelings, are pro-choice. On election day, anti-choice initiatives went down to defeat in all three states where they were on the ballot. Most Americans do not think the one-third of American women who terminate a pregnancy are running a concentration camp in their wombs, and would have no trouble choosing between saving a Jew from a gas chamber and a fertilized egg from a fire at the clinic.

Or take marriage. At his Saddleback Church, wifely submission is official doctrine: The church website tells women to defer to their husband's "leadership" even when he's wrong on important issues, such as finances. Never mind if she's an accountant and he flunked long division, or if she wants to beef up the kids' college fund and he wants to buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge. The godly answer is supposed to be "yes, dear." Is elevating this male chauvinist how President-elect Obama thanks women, who gave him more than half his votes?

In a news conference Thursday, Obama defended the choice of Warren: "It is important for the country to come together even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues." That's all very well, but excuse me if I don't feel all warm and fuzzy. Obama won thanks to the strenuous efforts of people who've spent the last eight years appalled by the Bush administration's wars and violations of human rights, its attacks on gays and women, its denigration of science, its general pandering to bigotry and ignorance in the name of God.

I'm all for building bridges, but honoring Warren, who insults Obama's base as perverts and murderers, is definitely a bridge too far.

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1
With 27% of gays voting for McCain and a good deal extra voting for other candidates, I can't see why we should be considered Obama's base.
Posted by AJ on December 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
2
Tony Auth's best case scenario:
http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/ta/
Posted by tomasyalba on December 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM
3
Let us speak more about Pastor Warren. More more more!
Posted by Andy Niable on December 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
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@1, and with Rick Warren up there with Obama I am sure that 27% will increase in 2012.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on December 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
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@1 - 21% of evangelicals voted for Obama, does that mean Evangelicals aren't part of the Repulican base?

And look, this isn't just a gay issue. Many straight Obama supporters are equally upset. I'm one of them.
Posted by Meinert on December 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM
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Stop giving a shit about Warren, people. The number of people who don't know who he is will be very damaging, especially if this "gays are vindictive" narrative keeps going.

He's not doing this to keep gay people down, he's doing it to keep himself up. Don't even give him the time of day. Look at how much fucking press you're all giving him, look at how he doesn't even have to spend his money to get his face out there.

Let him give the invocation and then stop looking. If he says anything insidious, we have the benediction which is a blessing on the presidency (versus a blessing on the inauguration)-- and I doubt that'll even be the case. He'll probably bluster about Jesus protecting Obama and then waddle off the stage. This wild assumption that he'll get up and say "gawd bless amurrika and destroy teh gays" is insane, especially since he'll want to keep off the radar in terms of pinging negative in the eyes of the Obama administration.

And people who are saying this is eroding their faith in Obama need to get a better grasp on the american reality of politics. It's no wonder gay rights is stuck in 1993.
Posted by AJ on December 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM
7
Nobody cares.
Posted by Sirkowski on December 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM
8
@7: That's the spirit!
Posted by AJ on December 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM
9
How many people will get fired because Rick Warren gets to say grace for Obama? No one? How about we work on passing ENDA instead (as polling shows an overwhelming number of people--nationwide--support it)?

How many people will get drummed out of the military because Rick Warren is on the Inauguration stage? No one? How about we spend energy helping Obama build support inside and outside the military to end Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

How many people are going to lose their marriage "privileges" because Rick Warren is muttering away to his Supreme Being on January 20? No one? Oh yeah, we already botched the outreach efforts during Prop 8 battle--how about we focus on building judicial and popular support for overturning it?

Oh, wait, those are far too practical political activities. No. By all means, let's keep making Rick Warren the story and giving him as much coverage as he doesn't deserve. At least Warren Mania got us to stop prattling on about whether or not or how much Blacks are homophobic.

By all means, carry on.
Posted by Andy Niable on December 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM
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If David Duke held sway with as much of the US public as does RW, I would also want him at the table. Not because I agree with him, but because I don't.

(Thankfully, David Duke does not hold that position.)

There is a numbers issue, and Obama will need to find common cause among even berserkazoids.

The right wing radio talk shows are already gearing up to fight Obama from the sidelines. They, in a sense, needed McCain defeated, and are energized by Obama's win.

And no, I am not equating Warren and David Duke.

At the same time, I think it's good that people are holding Obama accountable. I just think it's a bit of overkill to freak out over an invocation, when the real "prayer" part of the inauguration will come from a pastor who is pro-gay rights.

The invocation is a nice way to offer an olive branch. It's not policy or cabinet, it's not even the official prayer. Try not to freak out.
Posted by feh on December 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM
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Exactly, 10. Let's make our response *in proportion* to the political power contained in the bone that's being thrown here.

If Obama HAD to include Rick Warren in ANYthing, this is the tiniest, least effective (and most religion specific) thing he could have given Warren to do. It's not like he's putting him in charge of anything. It'd be over with in a matter of minutes... unless we just keep prattling on and keeping the story going and thereby magnifying the importance of this asshole.
Posted by Andy Niable on December 22, 2008 at 3:41 PM
12
First Hillary the Hawk as Sec. of State, now a born again dick on stage at the inaugural. The honeymoon is over.
Posted by fruitcakepuppet on December 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM
13
nice post,
Erica;
you clueless WHORE
Posted by nice post! on December 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM
14
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz............
Posted by zzzzzz on December 22, 2008 at 3:50 PM
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Obama's base isn't queer nation.
It's the blacks who voted 98% for him and 75% for Prop 8.
Have a donut.....
Posted by jo on December 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM
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Obama is like a man happily married to a talented slender beauty, who has an inexplicable urge to bang a fat chick from a trailer park.
Posted by Strained Analogy on December 22, 2008 at 6:44 PM
17
I like it when my man answers my nasty requests with "yes dear" Katha Pollit needs some real hot dirty sex
Posted by jackseattle on December 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM

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