Saturday, December 20, 2008
Politics / Religion To Hell With the Jews
Posted by Dan Savage on Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Another lesson in civility from Pastor Rick Warren.
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No new info here. If you're fundamentalist, everyone who doesn't thing like you is going to hell. Kinda like if you work for the Stranger anyone who doesn't think like you is a worthless piece of shit worthy only of ridicule and harassment.
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Jews and Queers are Hellbound! Only the self-righteous gluttons shall reach the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Keep going, find things that go beyond simply 'he hates gay people' -- find where he hates on jews, women, and so on and so forth. Smokescreen, no backlash against teh gheys...
And someone can go search Bear411 and Bearciti to find him. Or a Rev-a-like.
And someone can go search Bear411 and Bearciti to find him. Or a Rev-a-like.
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Haha, Rev Warren, the earth will open and suck you into a sulphurous abyss at the dawning of Ragnarok, and that dawning is well nigh!
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Hey, Shitheels! At least Moses had the good breeding to remove his shoes in the presence of the Lord. Keeping yokels like this away from the pulpit should be the first priority of a church that believes in the "sanctity" of anything.
If this proves anything, it's that Obama is an Obamagnostic. How that bodes for gay marriage is yet to be seen.
If this proves anything, it's that Obama is an Obamagnostic. How that bodes for gay marriage is yet to be seen.
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Do you really care about Jews?
Or did you want everyone to see the insert ad for the "All Gay Cruise" ?!
http://www.atlantisevents.com/cruises_20…
Do you really care about Jews?
Or did you want everyone to see the insert ad for the "All Gay Cruise" ?!
http://www.atlantisevents.com/cruises_20…
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am i supposed to be surprised that one religion thinks another religion is wrong?
even some democrats think republicans should go to hell.
even some democrats think republicans should go to hell.
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I understand the reasoning behind the selection of Warren for the inauguration - a symbolic olive branch to Evangelicals. But it is naive to think they will receive this well. Evangelicals are absolutists - interpret the Bible literally, if one does not take the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior, then he will not have everlasting life.
They don't bend in any way. As much as they polish their turd by 'marketing' to a young, hip crowd (as in Warren, or locally, Casey Treat or Mars Hill), they still lay down the iron-clad rule of literal biblical rule (just wonder if they avoid gluttony and shellfish, that, I doubt).
What is so very sad is that there is a whole segment of modern, progressive Christians out there, who interpret the Bible metaphorically, who adhere to the Christ-like tenets of compassion, acceptance, and charity. There are many leaders from such churches who could have been a better choice than Warren.
They don't bend in any way. As much as they polish their turd by 'marketing' to a young, hip crowd (as in Warren, or locally, Casey Treat or Mars Hill), they still lay down the iron-clad rule of literal biblical rule (just wonder if they avoid gluttony and shellfish, that, I doubt).
What is so very sad is that there is a whole segment of modern, progressive Christians out there, who interpret the Bible metaphorically, who adhere to the Christ-like tenets of compassion, acceptance, and charity. There are many leaders from such churches who could have been a better choice than Warren.
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Hey! There is no hell. It's imaginary. Just like all the imaginary nonsense Christianity has stolen from other religions. What's not imaginary is the gullibility of people who are too lazy to use their brains. Or are frightened into obedience. It's a shame, really, and a disaster in the making.
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Alright, it's official, Rick was a poor choice, even if you are trying to reach out.
Barack, please note and do not repeat.
Barack, please note and do not repeat.
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Dan,
Back off on this one. Rick Warren has strong support in the Orthodox Jewish community. Warren is an excellent choice for his strong support of Israel.
Gay men in America are NEVER going to have marriage. Get over it. A seperate but equal domestic partnership is all the gay men need.
Orthodox marriage in Israel is for Jewish men and Jewish women. Israel's government gives money to Orthodox couples to produce children.
America will adopt a policy similar to Israels where religious marriage between a man and a woman is honored by government support.
Obama is right, domestic partnerships is all that gay men need. Obama is following Israels lead on this one. Obama is your leader now Dan, do what he says, you will not get anywhere going against Obama now.
Back off on this one. Rick Warren has strong support in the Orthodox Jewish community. Warren is an excellent choice for his strong support of Israel.
Gay men in America are NEVER going to have marriage. Get over it. A seperate but equal domestic partnership is all the gay men need.
Orthodox marriage in Israel is for Jewish men and Jewish women. Israel's government gives money to Orthodox couples to produce children.
America will adopt a policy similar to Israels where religious marriage between a man and a woman is honored by government support.
Obama is right, domestic partnerships is all that gay men need. Obama is following Israels lead on this one. Obama is your leader now Dan, do what he says, you will not get anywhere going against Obama now.
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Evangelicals are to Christianity as the Taliban is to Islam. I know, I dated an Evangelical and she believed that anyone that wasn't an Evangelical Christian was going to burn in Hell. I chose going to Hell rather than going out with her anymore (the sex wasn't that good either. Evangelicals are very selfish in bed).
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ditto
Perhaps it is because 'movement' homosexuals live very sheltered lives and only hang out with people who think just like they do but for whatever reason there is a huge lack of understanding of how Americans think and esp what they think about homosexuality. The 'take away' from Prop 8 for homosexuals should have been how such disparate groups (blacks, evangelicals, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, Catholics, etc etc) that usually and on most issues are at cross heads had no problem putting aside differences for the common goal of protecting marriage from homosexuals. And the sad fact is that a lot of the folks who will go to the mat over marriage are otherwise sympathetic to most homosexual issues.
The hysteria that equates (and confuses) renaming California's civil union 'marriage' with actual Civil Rights will lose homosexuals far more than it gains them. Example one is the reaction to Warren. Even this Republican finds him nauseating but I am more struck my how short (non-existent, actually) the 'honeymoon' with Obama was. It is obvious that NO politician could satisfy the current screamers (and I suspect Obama will quickly conclude that there is nothing to be gained from trying)
The 'marriage' game is not worth the candle.
Know when to fold them, while you still have a place at the table.
ditto
Perhaps it is because 'movement' homosexuals live very sheltered lives and only hang out with people who think just like they do but for whatever reason there is a huge lack of understanding of how Americans think and esp what they think about homosexuality. The 'take away' from Prop 8 for homosexuals should have been how such disparate groups (blacks, evangelicals, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, Catholics, etc etc) that usually and on most issues are at cross heads had no problem putting aside differences for the common goal of protecting marriage from homosexuals. And the sad fact is that a lot of the folks who will go to the mat over marriage are otherwise sympathetic to most homosexual issues.
The hysteria that equates (and confuses) renaming California's civil union 'marriage' with actual Civil Rights will lose homosexuals far more than it gains them. Example one is the reaction to Warren. Even this Republican finds him nauseating but I am more struck my how short (non-existent, actually) the 'honeymoon' with Obama was. It is obvious that NO politician could satisfy the current screamers (and I suspect Obama will quickly conclude that there is nothing to be gained from trying)
The 'marriage' game is not worth the candle.
Know when to fold them, while you still have a place at the table.
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Dan,
I recall reading that months ago. Not really unusual nor is it bigoted. Consider this, (the following questions are in context and rhetorical) do you believe Islam is light and Mohammed the one true prophet? Do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people? Do you believe the communion host to be the body of Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Jesus visited America? Will you reach Nirvana? Are you a Buddhist? Shintoist? Parsi?
If the answer is "No" to any or all of the questions, then Warren's response is completely understandable (if the answer is "yes" to all you're a B' Hai. Weird, yes, I know). She, you, me (?) might be going to hell, heaven, heck Baltimore for eternity. She posed a political question and got a religious answer.
When I lived in Africa in a Muslim country, I was called an infidel. I yawned. I guessed I wasn't getting 72 virgins for eternity.
I recall reading that months ago. Not really unusual nor is it bigoted. Consider this, (the following questions are in context and rhetorical) do you believe Islam is light and Mohammed the one true prophet? Do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people? Do you believe the communion host to be the body of Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Jesus visited America? Will you reach Nirvana? Are you a Buddhist? Shintoist? Parsi?
If the answer is "No" to any or all of the questions, then Warren's response is completely understandable (if the answer is "yes" to all you're a B' Hai. Weird, yes, I know). She, you, me (?) might be going to hell, heaven, heck Baltimore for eternity. She posed a political question and got a religious answer.
When I lived in Africa in a Muslim country, I was called an infidel. I yawned. I guessed I wasn't getting 72 virgins for eternity.
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Getting worked up about this is silly. To think that him saying this is wrong is the same as saying religion is wrong. All religions think they are right, or they would not be religions. This question comes down to "do you believe your religion." Why the surprise when the answer is yes?
Those of us who are not religious, or who belong to other faiths may not like his answer because it does not comport with our own beliefs. He has a right to his faith and he doesn't have to water it down with your faith. Religion is a big part of American life and there is going to be a pastor of some sort at the Inauguration. To insist it be a pastor who doesn't believe his own faith is just silly.
(I am an atheist if it matters to anyone)
Those of us who are not religious, or who belong to other faiths may not like his answer because it does not comport with our own beliefs. He has a right to his faith and he doesn't have to water it down with your faith. Religion is a big part of American life and there is going to be a pastor of some sort at the Inauguration. To insist it be a pastor who doesn't believe his own faith is just silly.
(I am an atheist if it matters to anyone)
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