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Saturday, December 13, 2008

The New Condo Market

Posted by on Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Earlier this afternoon, about 300 people packed into a subterranean room of the Grand Hyatt on 7th Avenue and Pine Street, clamoring to bid on discount condos. First on the auction block was a 900 square-foot two-bedroom condo, which had entered the market listed at $437,450 when the Press Condos completed its second building a couple years ago. But it still hadn’t sold. Today the opening bid began at only $225,000—just over half its listed price.

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“This is the new normal,” says Rhett Winchell, president of Beverly Hills-based Kennedy Wilson Auction Group, which was auctioning 15 units of the Capitol Hill Press Condos today. The company held 30 auctions nationwide this year and Winchell expects more in Seattle next year. “Auctions obviously do grow in popularity when the economy slows because builders need a way to sell property quickly,” says the pinstripe-suited Winchell.

Before the circus began, I made the rounds to hear from prospective buyers. The crowd was mostly a mix folks in their 20s who attended with their parents, and folks in their 30s and 40s who attended with their real-estate agents.

“I love Capitol Hill even though I’m not a hipster,” said 21-year-old Yaprak Erkul, wearing a red and white hound’s-tooth coat and chunky Gabbana glasses. She's been looking for a condo for about three months, she said, with her father sitting to her right.

Mike Norman, a CPA who lives in Bremerton and works downtown, has been searching for a condo in the city for two years. “I gave up last year because the prices got so ridiculously high,” he said. He eyed a two-bedroom unit with a courtyard, but he wasn’t going to pay more than $300,000. It ended up going for about $350,000. “I was shocked to see it went for so much,” he said.

On average, the 15 condos in the Press buildings auctioned for about 80 percent of their listing price and over 30 percent of their starting bid.

“It’s still a deal,” said Mary Granen, a real-estate agent who joined a 34-year-old male client, an artist for a computer gaming company. Comparable units on Capitol Hill are selling for “probably another 10 [thousand dollars],” she said.

So what do residents of the Press Condos think about discounts in their building? “I think a two-bedroom going for that price could upset people who wanted a two-bedroom and instead got a one-bedroom for that price,” says Brian Fornelius, who bought and shares a one-bedroom condo at Press with Garit Reuble.

Another condo auction last month suggests this a trend in the Seattle condo market. But it’s hard to say if the phenomenon is spurred by unsellable units or driven by the auction industry. While developers benefit from selling property quickly—avoiding accruing mortgages and taxes—companies like Kennedy Wilson, which fly their staff around the country, seem to be seeding the market. “Most auction companies are going after the builders,” Winchell said.

 

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Any word on all the emptiness lingering on at BRIX? I want them to stay empty forever...
Posted by MadDog on December 13, 2008 at 3:36 PM
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Posted by John McCain's Real Estate Agent on December 13, 2008 at 3:45 PM
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At least you folks are a little more honest this time. So much of the shocking headlines I read where the auctions are starting at which really does not mean anything. Fact is condos are going for 80% or more of their original asking peak value.
Posted by Bill W. on December 13, 2008 at 4:15 PM
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The condo market has dried up because the zero down loans are gone and many young first time buyers have been frozen out of the market. But deals are available for those (such as down-sizing empty-nesters or retirees) who can offer the required 20% or more down. While many new buildings look like crap, there are some beautiful units out there.
Posted by Jim Demetre on December 13, 2008 at 5:05 PM
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The pool of believers that units like this will retain significant enough value to justify the mortgage risk keeps shrinking, so it makes sense that the auction houses are scurrying around with their seeding operations, gleaning what they can before the margins thin.
Posted by tomasyalba on December 13, 2008 at 5:25 PM
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What? You mean you won't just GIVE 20 somethings a condo with no money down? Their parents have to put the money down for them and co-sign the mortgage? That's outrageous! A clear sign that Seattle needs to put more of its limited affordable housing funds into subsidizing "affordable condos."
Posted by Trevor on December 13, 2008 at 5:27 PM
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I am never going to pay more than $200,000 for a place to live. The real estate bubble was just that. Everybody HAD to get in a house - for tax reasons, for investment reasons, for whatever. When mortgages get more in line with percentages of income, then I'll take a look at the housing market. Frankly, I'm glad to see the end of the days where to buy you had to be married, both working, and working 60 hours a week to make an inflated mortgage payment. No one won but the sellers and the real estate agents. They walked away from this mess smelling like a rose.

I can't help but think it was all the flipping that was helping to drive up a housing prices. Those motherfuckers were greedy, too - wanting something like a 200K profit from a 6-8 month turnaround. Hope they're stuck with a lot of shit they can't dump or rent because the payments are too high. It's only justice.
Posted by Bauhaus on December 13, 2008 at 5:27 PM
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People marketing these were greedy and stupid.

They are well located, and had they cut prices a year ago and passed real savings to buyers then, they would be sold.

Don't forget, when you rent you get ZERO return -- in ten years these units will look good.

I have a friend who was in the SAME one bedroom on the hill for 25 years, the perfect tenant. Had she been paying on a condo or co-op, something to gain title, she would have paid for it.

New owners showed up, doubled rents, she moved and got llucky and found great unit for 750.00 per month ...
Posted by Adam on December 13, 2008 at 7:30 PM
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I had to quit my job, become a full-time student, and move to Iowa in order to buy a house. I love my house, a 1947 1100-sq-ft bungalow just 1.5 miles from my school building. Any word on how Vertigo is filling up? I used to live right around the corner from that monstrosity.

Posted by Lola, Now in Iowa City, Iowa on December 13, 2008 at 7:40 PM
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Posted by polarcontroller on December 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM
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I disagree that this auction particular auction was driven by the auction company.

Press has been trying to get rid of these units for *years*. I think they first went on the market in 2006? Maybe earlier.

Point is, if they had actually tried lowering prices rather than simply churning the same tired MLS listings with small, generic photos they would have moved some units.
Posted by happy renter on December 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM
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@8 renters DO get a return.

Buying is still a great deal more expensive than renting an equivalent place. Take that monthly difference, stick it in a CD or other decent, guarenteed-return investment. You will be far ahead of the home debtor who is currently losing some 10%/year on his 'investment'.

AND when the shit really starts to hit the fan, you won't be strapped to all that debt, and you'll have access to cash if you need it.
Posted by happy renter on December 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
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#13 - NO they do not. And they must more at the whim of the landlord.... which is a horror all by itself.

10 years ago after renting for most of my life I bought a low end house on Beacon Hill, not a chic place, but sitting on two lots. Incl. taxes and insurance my payment is just short of 1,000.00 per month, garden yard, dog, old but very OK two bedroom, giant living room-dining area. Nice front porch .... summer eating, cot for friends who come by and crash.

I could rent it for my payment if I needed to, even in this market it would sell for 400,000 for the lots. I owe about 100,00 now.

Where else would this working class guy pick up 300,000. for old age? You tell me. Plus stability and privacy and no fucking landlord.

I could have a roommate to keep costs down if needed. Nice location for buses, close shopping on the hill, fast to downtown or go I-90 to Mercer Island.

GREAT yard and garden if I want to work that hard in the summer.

Renting is money down the drain, buying the right place is your retirement..... and other benefits, like sex in the back yard on summer nights ...

Rudy
Posted by Rudy on December 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM
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If you're 30 and buy a house today, and make the payments for 30 years, you'll be able to live rent-free starting at age 60. Your mortgage payments will be predictable and not track rent inflation.

If you continue renting, you will be vulnerable to rent increases every year, and at age 60 you will still have to come up with a fat rent payment every month.
Posted by Your Name Here on December 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM
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@15: Make it a 15-year mortgage. The monthly payments are slightly higher, but the amount you save in interest over the life of the loan is huge.
Posted by J.R. on December 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM
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@14, obviously you haven't learned a goddamn thing in the entire process.

buying only makes sense when you're not going to move, mortgage payments aren't much higher than rent, and prices of homes appreciate in the location you live.

and in many cases the last two are mutually exclusive.

I could go on but i dont think there is any point in speaking to people that believe the past 8 years in seattle are the new standard of home ownership.
Posted by E Thomas St. on December 14, 2008 at 9:35 PM
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Anyone who wears a red and white hounds-tooth jacket and oversized D&G sunglasses should be shot on sight.
Posted by Greg on December 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM
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I agree with 12, I was looking at these units last year and decided they were over priced. I can't believe someone paid over $300,000 for that shitty 1 bedroom.

The red and white Gabbanna girl was hot
Posted by Eddie James on December 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
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i bought a $200k place in 2007 and calculated that if i sell it for exactly what i bought it for (whenever that day comes), the monthly costs that i never see again (loan interest minus the tax deductible benefit, taxes, HOA dues) comes out to about $800 or $900, which will only decrease with time. Buying can be smarter than renting depending on your situation and how long you plan on staying. This fact will always remain true throughout the market fluctuations...
Posted by lite on December 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM
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The UK's traditional property sale market (through estate agencies) has shrunk significantly. However, the cash sale market where motivated sellers sell their properties at a reduced price to a cash buyer has boomed. This is likely to continue for at least another 3 years. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/bu…
Posted by Cash for homes on June 2, 2009 at 4:44 AM

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