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Friday, December 12, 2008

This Viaduct Debate Will NEVER, EVER END

Posted by on Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:54 PM

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As I told Ross Reynolds on KUOW's The Conversation this afternoon, the debate over how to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct is far from over. The obvious factor, of course, is House Speaker Frank Chopp, who isn't going to let his enclosed elevated highway proposal (more about that here, here and here) die. Although the governor, mayor, and county executive have narrowed their list of preferred options to two (a six-lane, divided surface option and two new two-lane elevated viaducts), that decision is merely advisory. Sources who've met with Chopp say his current line is: "The executives are making a recommendation, the Legislature is making the decision." In other words, this week's "final decision" was anything but—at least as far as the House Speaker is concerned.

Supporters of the surface/transit option are characteristically optimistic about their chances, noting that now that all the tunnel options are off the table, those whose primary motivation is improving the waterfront should be ready to rally behind the surface/transit option, if only because they consider it the lesser of two evils. However, two recent developments should be cause for worry: First, the group that came out in support of a combo surface/tunnel option this week—the so-called "grand compromise"—seems far from unified, with some members likely to support the surface option and others likely to defect to the elevated rebuild, depending on whether their primary motivation was improving the waterfront or moving traffic through downtown. (Any surface option would be slower than an elevated highway, with speed limits of 30 mph rather than 50 on an elevated viaduct).

Second, there's the fact that many officials still aren't sold on any of the available options, especially surface/transit. For example: Unbeknownst to most outside the county, county council budget chair Larry Phillips inserted an item in the county budget adopted earlier this month that allocates $250,000 to an "expert review panel" (yes, another one) to "develop an independent analysis" of the various viaduct replacement options. "This analysis shall evaluate the mobility impacts of the options and the county's ability to provide transit services assumed in each option"—a clear slap at the surface/transit proposal, which assumes a much greater increase in transit service than the elevated and tunnel options. The panel, unlike the stakeholder advisory group whose work led to this week's decision, would consist only of transportation professionals "who have published in a national trade journal and have the skills to evaluate mobility impacts and transit functionality and the county's ability to provide transit services assumed in each option." That would probably eliminate surface/transit proponents like People's Waterfront Coalition founder Cary Moon, who is a landscape architect, not a traffic engineer. Initially, Phillips's proposal would have only taken effect if a surface/transit option was chosen as the preferred alternative.

Moon says she thinks surface/transit has a strong shot—"if community groups and business groups and environmental groups stand together." But the more divisiveness people like Phillips (who was not able to return a call for comment this afternoon) sow, the more likely it is that the Great Wall of Chopp will emerge victorious.

 

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You forgot the links "here, here, and here."
Posted by elswinger on December 12, 2008 at 5:00 PM
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The easy way to solve the problem is to tear down the viaduct and do the minimum to route traffic onto Alaskan Way and see if it works or not.

My guess is it would be a huge improvement.

However, just as in the case of Light Rail where they asked for more money, before one single normal commuter ever stepped foot into it -- they will not.

The illusion has to be maintained for them to bilk the public with showboat designs.
Posted by Zep Hindle on December 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM
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So long as all the tunnel options are dead and the global warming emissions are thus reduced, I'm happy.

Besides, if you remove the parking lanes on the Surface plus Transit, you increase capacity dramatically, especially if those are Bus/Transit/Freight only.
Posted by Will in Seattle on December 12, 2008 at 5:21 PM
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links be absent
Posted by andre on December 12, 2008 at 5:27 PM
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I don't really get how a huge surface highway along the waterfront is so much better than a viaduct, it's sort of unbelievable that people favor either.

Given that no really satisfactory solution will ever be reached I think it's time everyone unite against Chopp's plan. Chopp == creepy mother fucker with this obsession of his.
Posted by john on December 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM
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we can all agree that the Chopp's malladuct is stupid, but is it worse than a new viaduct?
Posted by josh on December 12, 2008 at 7:34 PM
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If Will in Seattle is happy, then I'm happy.
Posted by elenchos on December 12, 2008 at 7:41 PM
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The Chopp idea is looking better and better if folks insist on removing the 6 lane surface option.

Don't get greedy folks.

I have a feeling the tunnel will still be in play when this whole thing shakes out. I don't think alot of folks care either way at the moment. Wait till the holidays are over and folks get back to their normal post holiday lives. The watch all hell break loose.
Posted by You are all naieve on December 12, 2008 at 7:50 PM
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wow. if this is the kind of thing that phillips puts into a county budget at a time when we're eliminating county staff (how many fte's is this?), then there's no way i'm supporting him for county exec next year. it appears that phillips has proven he's adept at (1) being fiscally irresponsible; and (2) undermining an effective stakeholder process by bringing in "experts" to get the answer he wants.

i thought chopp was the only bad guy in this mess, and now it looks like we have another who's willing to play politics over good policy. i'm disappointed.
Posted by chopp&phillips=bad_news on December 12, 2008 at 10:11 PM
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As I told Ross Reynolds on KUOW's The Conversation this afternoon...

Hahahahahahaha. Hahahahahahahaha. Oh god...city livin'....Hahahahahahahaha...Yo-hoo, Charlie Rose! View girls! Oprah! Hahahahahahaha.
Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball on December 13, 2008 at 8:00 AM
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I'm on the People's Waterfront Coalition email list. I enjoy reading it. But I keep asking myself, what can I do, personally, to make the surface/transit option a reality?

I think I'm looking for a mybarackobama.comesque place where I can hang, chat and fuck shit up in a virtual way. The People's Waterfront Coalition has an action page, but they don't push it in their emails, and the page doesn't even mention Frank Chopp, who appears to be the biggest obstacle to the surface/transit option.
Posted by dc.al.coda on December 13, 2008 at 8:44 AM
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I'm with Zep @ 2. Let's just tear it down with Alaskan Way as is and see what happens. Then we can mitigate the effects as we have money going forward, possibly using some of Obama's now-estimated $1 trillion stimulus package.

The biggest problem with a tear-down is all that empty space under the viaduct. If it wasn't for that, there'd be no need for a long-term realignment of Alaskan Way. But maybe just leaving it for new development is enough. There's enough there for broad sidewalks with sunny season outdoor cafes and a bike lane buffering a new row of buildings on the east side of the street. There's really not much of a need for more open space on the waterfront itself, though with development going onto the east side some of the retail and restaurant space on the waterfront could give away to non-commercial public uses that make the overall neighborhood more varied than the tourist trap it largely is today.
Posted by Cascadian on December 13, 2008 at 12:10 PM
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Now that I live in West Seattle, it has become very clear that the main purpose of the surface/transit option is to cut West Seattle off from the rest of the city. And the real mystery of that is, WHY? West Seattle is teeming with "progressive" White People...
Posted by Orin on December 13, 2008 at 1:29 PM
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Why does everybody on the Stranger hate West Seattle?
Posted by miko on December 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
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Having just visited the Embarcadero & the Ferry Building, I'm really impressed with the quality of street life SF has been able to nourish.

I'm disappointed that, with this surface option, Western Ave. would basically become a mini-expressway through the city. It's sad because Western is one of the coolest urban streets we have.

I love to park by the Market & walk down Western to Pioneer Square on the way to an M's game. But now Western Ave would just become a barrrage of cars whizzing by.

I think we can come up with a better surface option, one that doesn't rip out part of the heart of our city.
Posted by blackhook on December 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
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Who is behind Frank Chopp? He didn't think up this goofy idea on his own. My boyfriend, in the construction industry, suggests probably the concrete contractors are, as they would make the most out of this boondoggle. It's something to think about. Maybe we should look at his PDC filings.
Posted by Silverstar98121 on December 14, 2008 at 1:10 AM

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