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Politics Goldy on O'Reilly
Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Goldy did a great job on O'Reilly last night...
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I still think it was a stupid sign. The billboards that say "don't believe in god? You're not alone" are constructive atheist activism, the Olympia sign is really just bashing.
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Ah come on. Telling people they'll go to hell forever if they don't worship a 2000-year old dead man with magical powers isn't bashing, but saying religion "hardens hearts" is?
I'm glad Bill O'Reilly thinks Washington is the only state in the country where this could happen. San Francisco has been getting too much attention for their lukewarm progressivism lately. We need some gay marriage and legalized marijuana up in this state to become the country's progressive showcase.
I'm glad Bill O'Reilly thinks Washington is the only state in the country where this could happen. San Francisco has been getting too much attention for their lukewarm progressivism lately. We need some gay marriage and legalized marijuana up in this state to become the country's progressive showcase.
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That's what I'm talking about! I was getting a little jealous when Bill spent so much time bashing San Francisco. Thanks for giving us proper recognition as a bastion of liberal evil Bill!
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so now the jesus freaks are saying that christmas is NOT a religious holiday? jesus is a philosopher? this is so stupid. so unbelievably stupid. my brain hurts. fuck you for making me think about this.
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insane. what's really annoying is that o'reilly KNOWS better. he just wants better ratings and he can get that by pretending that the establishment clause doesn't exist.
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lot was saved from sodom and gamorrah so he can impregnate his own daughters; king david porked his maid and god killed his first born instead of killing him. noah was a drunk who passed out naked and god punished his son for seeing him passed out and naked.
and the bible is the good book?
and the bible is the good book?
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@10:
Yeah, but that's all Old Testament, so really, it just justifies anti-Semitism.
Or something.
Yeah, but that's all Old Testament, so really, it just justifies anti-Semitism.
Or something.
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Actually, christmas (aka, annual gift day) has gone pretty far from being a religious holiday. Other than being Santa's birthday, it's really nothing more than a bloated, commercialized mess.
Actually, christmas (aka, annual gift day) has gone pretty far from being a religious holiday. Other than being Santa's birthday, it's really nothing more than a bloated, commercialized mess.
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I guess you could wonder why if we let that sign up in Oly then why don't we let the KKK protest on MLK day... except for the fact that the KKK uh... killed people. And did nice things like tar and feathering... and burn crosses in front yards...
And I think I can recall lessons about one religion punishing... in some cases executing people for differing faiths or lack of church going... and it wasn't the atheists.
And I think I can recall lessons about one religion punishing... in some cases executing people for differing faiths or lack of church going... and it wasn't the atheists.
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I don't understand how Gregoire is supposedly a coward for letting this sign go up, when it was sure to provoke the ire of millions of O'Reillys. He even starts listing governors that wouldn't have the balls to let the sign up.
Oh but wait, she's also crazy for letting the sign be put up.
The fact that Christmas Trees are a pagan symbol is apparently a boon to Christians. And that Nativity scene, why that's just a celebration of Philosopher. Nothing religious about it at all.
Oh but wait, she's also crazy for letting the sign be put up.
The fact that Christmas Trees are a pagan symbol is apparently a boon to Christians. And that Nativity scene, why that's just a celebration of Philosopher. Nothing religious about it at all.
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@14:
I think the logic is that anyone who disagrees with billo is a coward. Or something.
Based on this, I think even billo himself is getting tired of the whole "War On Christmas" kerfluffle; jeebuz, he could barely manage an indignant raising of an eyebrow during that segment.
And the MLK analogy is completely specious. If the KKK WANTED to hold a rally on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, they'd have a legal right to do so. It would be an incredibly stupid thing for them to do - at least in some parts of the country - but I've little doubt that in other parts they'd be considered "heroic" for their stance.
I think the logic is that anyone who disagrees with billo is a coward. Or something.
Based on this, I think even billo himself is getting tired of the whole "War On Christmas" kerfluffle; jeebuz, he could barely manage an indignant raising of an eyebrow during that segment.
And the MLK analogy is completely specious. If the KKK WANTED to hold a rally on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, they'd have a legal right to do so. It would be an incredibly stupid thing for them to do - at least in some parts of the country - but I've little doubt that in other parts they'd be considered "heroic" for their stance.
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Why are spiritual people a threat to athiests? Even Einstein maveled that there might be an ultimate divine force that created the universe. Bertrand Russell as well. Religion and humanism don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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KKK is the opposite of MLK Day? What stupidity. In fact it's a racist comment. White people can't be proud of their heritage? What is happening here?
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Raindrop, I must have missed the part where somebody anywhere said that spiritual people are a threat to atheists. Can you point it out to me?
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@16 - Spiritual people who practice their religious beliefs in their own homes and/or churches and leave everyone who doesn't share their beliefs alone are no threat to atheists.
Spiritual people who insist on thrusting their religious beliefs onto the rest of us, whether by trying to get the so-called morality of a 3,000 or so year old work of fiction written into our laws, or by taking our tax dollars to further their religious agenda, or by putting religious displays on public land, on the other hand, are most definitely a threat.
Spiritual people who insist on thrusting their religious beliefs onto the rest of us, whether by trying to get the so-called morality of a 3,000 or so year old work of fiction written into our laws, or by taking our tax dollars to further their religious agenda, or by putting religious displays on public land, on the other hand, are most definitely a threat.
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@19 -- I haven't heard of anything exactly like this religious display kerfuffle in New Jersey, but we do have something else going on that would probably make Billo's blood boil. You know how you sometimes hear about people suing this school or that school over the issue of prayer in the classroom? It's kind of like that, only with a twist that I don't think I've ever seen anywhere else.
The Maplewood-South Orange school district had a policy of not letting their choirs sing religious songs. One of the parents is suing, claiming that "the school district's ban on religious music conveys the impermissible, government-sponsored message of disapproval of and hostility toward religion in violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause."
In other states the parents sometimes have to sue to get prayer out of the school. Here, we've got a parent suing to try to get prayer into the schools.
The Maplewood-South Orange school district had a policy of not letting their choirs sing religious songs. One of the parents is suing, claiming that "the school district's ban on religious music conveys the impermissible, government-sponsored message of disapproval of and hostility toward religion in violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause."
In other states the parents sometimes have to sue to get prayer out of the school. Here, we've got a parent suing to try to get prayer into the schools.
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The Christmas-MLK Day connection is a false one. The flap over Christmas is over the Establishment clause of the Constitution, prohibiting the government from establishing a state religion. That's why Christmas has to be a secular holiday for government to espouse or celebrate it. MLK Day is not a religious holiday, and doesn't violate the same principle.
That said, there are parts of the South where MLK Day is “balanced” by Robert E. Lee Day. Celebrated on the same day, REL Day gives those offended by MLK and the American ideals he represented an alternative.
That said, there are parts of the South where MLK Day is “balanced” by Robert E. Lee Day. Celebrated on the same day, REL Day gives those offended by MLK and the American ideals he represented an alternative.
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Billo said that J.Christ is in the Constitution. I'd love to know which part of the document refers to "the philosopher" besides the part that mentions what year it is. Anyone know???
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#13 The KKK can protest on MLK day. There is no law against it. If people tried to stop it the ACLU ould intervene on the side of the KKK.
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Hahahaha. What? So there was a nativity scene (and what, I ask you, could possibly be more religious than a diorama of the fucking virgin birth?) and then some atheists put up a display too. And this is threatening? Why does this guy care so much? His entire country is based on his religion, give the atheists some room to breathe.
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Oh please! Manufactured outrage for ratings. They insist on putting their offensive religion on display on public property but have no tolerance for opposing viewpoints? What they are really afraid of is losing money and political power because of their extremist beliefs. They had better get used to it. People are starting to awake from the sleep of myths.
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I loved the part when Billo said that our constitution was based on Jesus' teachings. Sad how many deluded people believe that.
Wonder what part of the New Testament had Jesus teaching the disciples about States' powers and limits?
Wonder what part of the New Testament had Jesus teaching the disciples about States' powers and limits?
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