Monday, December 1, 2008
Religion / Books Two Hot Mormons Are Just a Click Away
Posted by Dominic Holden on Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:37 PM
A couple weeks ago, we posted instructions on how to get a Book o’ Mormon delivered to your home. The more we order, the more it costs the church. To our delight, once you sign up on the Mormon’s website, they offer to do more than just mail a book—they vow to send two in-the-drawers Mormons to your door. The pair will foist on you a 400-page doorstop, and you get the chance to scold the fresh-faced missionaries for their part in a pyramid-tithing PAC that has foisted its bigotry on millions of Americans.
But, when we posted it, we weren’t certain that signing up would actually summon two young "elders" to the door. But alas, writes Slog reader Zach:
Some time back you posted a call for us all to go to the Mormon's website and request a book of Mormon just to tax their resources as a group. Well, I did and the Mormon missionaries assigned to Capitol Hill just came over and delivered the book of Mormon.
They were really nice, clean-cut, 19 year old caucasion boys, pretty cute, too. Both boys were dressed quite nicely in crisp suits. We made pleasant talk for about 5 minutes and then I very calmly told them that it was absolutely reprehensible for their church to fund the disenfranchisement of an entire group of people with the Prop 8 stuff in California.
They said, “we have to do what we believe is right and we believe marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman.”
I jokingly thanked them for "letting me yell" at them and they shook my hand and went on their way. The whole episode took about 15 minutes.
They said that only 4 people from Capitol Hill had requested books of Mormon as a result of your post. I thought there would be way more than that.
Maybe if people know that the 2 Mormons who will deliver the book are cute 19-year-old boys they will be more inclined to set up a time to get a free book of Mormon and (at least for me) it really is cathartic to tell them how upsetting and angry their bullshit prop-8 shenanigans are. I checked with the guys and they're the only 2 Mormons covering ALL of Capitol Hill.
Within minutes of you registering your info on the church’s central website for a free Book of Mormon, the Mormon Church will route a text message to these boy’s phones with your name, address and phone number. The website matches your zip-code with the missionary’s cell phones who are assigned to your zip code. They will call within a day.
If only the gays were this organized.
Thanks,
Zach
It works, it works… For the love of Joseph Smith… IT WORKS! Two 19-year-old Mormon boys will be dispatched by text message. Can the gays be this organized? Yes we can. Thou hast heard the word from Zach: Call unto your domicile two strapping young lads and then unleash their retribution. Anyone who signs up to be a Mormon missionary ought to know that it comes with a payback.
Send them your address. Put on the kettle for their arrival. Go here. Do it now.
Private to people who say luring Mormons to your house to berate their church is juvenile: They started it.
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If I didn't already dislike Mormons before, I sure would today. I found out almost all the therapists are leaving their jobs at my nursing home because the Mormon owners took away most of their health care benefits, and increased the deductible from $200 to $1000. Mormon's are money grubbing gay hating mother fuckers (and I mean that literally).
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Just a little too pervy for my tastes.
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I'm going to send them to one of my exes. (Colin, this comment is your only advance notice. Dress appropriately!)
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Waaaaah! Now Dom is the big bully. But, whatever.
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I’ve always wondered if the inability to feel empathy is a cause or an effect of being a religious nutcase.
In addition to telling them that we don’t live in a theocracy, it might be interesting to remind them that Mormons are very unpopular in our society and ask them how they’d feel if people spent millions of dollars attacking them and their families.
What about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you?
In addition to telling them that we don’t live in a theocracy, it might be interesting to remind them that Mormons are very unpopular in our society and ask them how they’d feel if people spent millions of dollars attacking them and their families.
What about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you?
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How would one get some comely Mormon lasses to one's door? What do Mormon girls do for a "mission" anyway? Are they just expected to start birthing babies after graduating from BYU?
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@5
Actually people do spend millions attacking Mormons. Mormon hating is a thriving industry that evidently Seattle homosexuals have just stumbled upon. The Southern Baptist and other knuckle draggers have beat you to it. I guess Dan is Dobson's new best friend. Nice company.
Actually people do spend millions attacking Mormons. Mormon hating is a thriving industry that evidently Seattle homosexuals have just stumbled upon. The Southern Baptist and other knuckle draggers have beat you to it. I guess Dan is Dobson's new best friend. Nice company.
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I sort of feel sorry for the boys. They're pretty much brainwashed and have no idea how to even respond other than, "that's what my church tells me to do."
But it does sound like fun messing with them. Besides, then they can go back home feeling they've done their good deeds for the day.
But it does sound like fun messing with them. Besides, then they can go back home feeling they've done their good deeds for the day.
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Why doesn't everyone answer the door in the nude when they come to deliver the message. Maybe open the door together in pairs. I'm sure that a couple nude guys with arms around the others waist, while they deliver their message would be a subtle message to them?
If you know they are on their way over why not?
If you know they are on their way over why not?
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@7, I think it's not hating at this point, just a really hard spanking. Easy to mix them up. But stay vigilant.
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I don't want Mormon boys. I want Mormon men.
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You have uncovered the secret to success. This will definitely get us much closer to legalizing gay marriage. Antics like this are why Fraternity boys rule the universe. Better to catch on late than never at all, I guess.
Pull my finger.
Pull my finger.
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Having been a Mormon missionary myself, I can say that the area these two cuties, (saw them waiting for the bus the other day,) are covering is probably much bigger than Capitol Hill. The local authorities will send most of the kids to the suburbs where there is already higher church membership and theoretically better odds of finding serious converts.
Most missionaries are boys 19-21 years old and they will definitely be sent to visit if you order a BofM or a video from a Mormon.org. I recommend a video because they may want to stay and WATCH IT WITH YOU. ("Is it ok if I turn down the lights Elders?")
Missionaries change areas every few weeks, so now is a good time to try. Not all of them are equally cute. Of course, you could always wait 'til next month and try your luck. Maybe the mission pres. will transfer in someone even cuter.
Most missionaries are boys 19-21 years old and they will definitely be sent to visit if you order a BofM or a video from a Mormon.org. I recommend a video because they may want to stay and WATCH IT WITH YOU. ("Is it ok if I turn down the lights Elders?")
Missionaries change areas every few weeks, so now is a good time to try. Not all of them are equally cute. Of course, you could always wait 'til next month and try your luck. Maybe the mission pres. will transfer in someone even cuter.
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#6: Girls don't go on missions. They go to BYU and concentrate on finding a nice Morman boy, fresh from his mission, to wed and procreate with. Sometimes they even graduate!
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@6 - They usually will only send "Sister Missionaries" (the girls), if you are a single woman. Don't count on them being comely however. While ALL Mormon boys are expected to go one a mission when their 19, the girls can CHOOSE to go on a mission when they are 21 or older.
These are the girls that aren't yet married by 21 or so and don't think they're getting married anytime soon. They're the Mormon equivalent of old maids and they're beauty is more on the inside.
These are the girls that aren't yet married by 21 or so and don't think they're getting married anytime soon. They're the Mormon equivalent of old maids and they're beauty is more on the inside.
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they're their
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I saw them on the street the other day, and they tried to start a conversation, saying something like, "Is there anything we can do to help you?"
I thought about asking them to come up and clean out the litterboxes, but honestly, that's a lot more Elder-moments than I can handle.
I thought about asking them to come up and clean out the litterboxes, but honestly, that's a lot more Elder-moments than I can handle.
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Whoa Dom,
You forgot the most important part-
When you call be sure to asked them
if they have Prince Albert in a can.
moron
You forgot the most important part-
When you call be sure to asked them
if they have Prince Albert in a can.
moron
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This is kind of a funny stunt but as for the avowed purpose of putting a strain on Mormon resources, good luck. As a former missionary who went days between having anyone actually listen to the message, I would have gladly welcomed anyone inviting us to his home just to break up the monotony. These boys work 9 am to 9 pm, that's a lot of hours to fill. In retrospect, I think at least a quarter of the guys that did talk to us were probably gays intrigued by the sight of young clean-cut boys coming to the door. Didn't bother me the few times I actually caught on, doubt it would be more than a funny story for the elders nowadays.
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yeah, girl mishies are always the fat cousin who is almost certainly rather potato-shaped
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Mormons are so fucked up it's almost sad.
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You do realize that it does not matter how many books are ordered and no matter how many times those Missionaries are told how much you disagree with what their church has done it is not going to make a difference. The only thing is is going to accomplish is for those two men to fear that every time they go to deliver a book or to speak with someone they will be verbally harassed. There are other ways of getting your point across and by ordering a book to summon someone to your door just so you can express your disapproval is just lazy and beyond childish.
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When I was on the mish, each set of missionaries, male or female, had a geographic area they were responsible for. So the only way to get the "Sisters" sent to your door is to live in their area. Given that the Elders typically outnumber the Sisters by about 4 to 1, your odds aren't very good.
While this idea amuses me, I agree that it is unlikely to have much negative effect on the Elders unless a couple hundred folks all contacted them within a week or two. I'd join you, but I try to keep the church as far out of my life as possible these days, and I'm not about to go handing them my name, address and phone number.
While this idea amuses me, I agree that it is unlikely to have much negative effect on the Elders unless a couple hundred folks all contacted them within a week or two. I'd join you, but I try to keep the church as far out of my life as possible these days, and I'm not about to go handing them my name, address and phone number.
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The best comment in the post was about "hey what if the gays were this organized?". Yeah, why not donate ten percent of your income to something you really believe in? Eh?
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@23 - That was probably before they made the rule that two Elders should never be alone with a single female. Though if there were no sister missionaries available, they would just bring a local member with them, which would spoil all the fun.
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I'm really curious to know how the would handle having a couple nekkid hot men answer the door wearing nothing but a smile? Would that offend their delicate sensibilities?
Would they still try to stand there and convert you? Or if we brought them inside to "watch" their video, would they oblige if the knew they had to hang out with me in my natural state?
What say you?
Would they still try to stand there and convert you? Or if we brought them inside to "watch" their video, would they oblige if the knew they had to hang out with me in my natural state?
What say you?
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@19 - I totally agree. As a missionary ANYTHING you can write down on your little weekly planner is appreciated; even if you know it's not really leading anywhere. At least it gives you something to do besides knocking on doors and street contacting.
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@26 - They probably wouldn't come in, but would likely leave politely. It would however give them a great story to tell when they get home about the "crazy things" that happened on their mission.
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@12
But frat boys do rule the planet. Look at government appointments, high level CEOs and the like. You don't think quite a few of them don't still hold loyalty to their Lamma Lamma Lamma groups?
But frat boys do rule the planet. Look at government appointments, high level CEOs and the like. You don't think quite a few of them don't still hold loyalty to their Lamma Lamma Lamma groups?
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This has been a most interesting thread... you think you know alot of crazy stuff about Mormons, and then you go and read about homely "sister missionaries" who are old maids at 22.
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Ok, gotta defend the sisters here. Me, my sister, her 2 best friends, and my sister-in-law all served missions. None of us "potato-shaped" or "homely". All of us now married-- well, I went off and married a heathen, but the rest of them married good mormon returned missionary boys. Also, none of us went to BYU. I think it makes a big difference, being inside or out of that world.
Also, I'll point out that you take your average 19-21 year old boy, put him in a crisp white shirt and tie, and give him a nice short haircut, and the end result has better than average odds of being pretty hot, (if that's your thing.) Take your average 21-23 year old girl, dress her in vaguely frumpy clothes, give her limited time and budget to deal with hair and makeup, and at best you will end up with "girl next door".
Also, I'll point out that you take your average 19-21 year old boy, put him in a crisp white shirt and tie, and give him a nice short haircut, and the end result has better than average odds of being pretty hot, (if that's your thing.) Take your average 21-23 year old girl, dress her in vaguely frumpy clothes, give her limited time and budget to deal with hair and makeup, and at best you will end up with "girl next door".
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Don't worry Dom-
You'll have to come up with something a lot more clever and original than this before it would rise to the level of 'juvenile'
You'll have to come up with something a lot more clever and original than this before it would rise to the level of 'juvenile'
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I saw this stunt on an episode of "Bevis and Butthead"
It was funnier then.
It was funnier then.
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Titilating missionaries tithing to take away rights. Lovely! Greet them with a woody.
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@31 - My apologies to the Sister Missionaries. I'm sure there are some hot one's out there, and what you said about the clothes is absolutely true. The boys get to wear short sleeves and cute little suits but the girls have to wear ridiculously conservative dresses and such.
I guess what I stated was more an explanation of the popular myth of the sister missionary.
I guess what I stated was more an explanation of the popular myth of the sister missionary.
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"Put on the *kettle"??! I'm heating up the hot tub!
they don't drink tea anyway.
they don't drink tea anyway.
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KNOCKING ON DOORS -My three years in the field in Europe were/are the best years of my life, bar none.
I was very gay and had sex with several partners, several members.
The pro Mormon haters are silly. You may kick the church for its horrid political stands, that goes back 40 years to Ezra Taft Benson, but, after all I believe
all the good I experienced and the theology of the pre-existence and on to the worlds without numbers.
Remember all the space time stuff was dogma in the 1840 ies - long before modern astronomy.
We now know that it is true, galaxy count is in the hundreds of billions and stars counted beyond number systems - and that is what we can see from Hubbell. String theory seems interesting as well - many universes existing side by side ...
I have not been to church for 30 years, no intention to go active. But do not think hating Mormons will do any thing to advance gay rights. The opposite will happen.
If Mormons really enter the anti marriage fight for real on on the long term, and the anti adoption fight, expect to loose many more elections.
Calif. was a debacle because of a poor campaign, and us queers were our organized, out worked, out voted and almost out spent. The Mormons can do it again with new found Catholic and Fundie friends.
Why will our next ballot fight be different? The Calif. campaign won't hardly discuss their horrible mistakes.
Ultimately attacking churches unites "Christians"... 80 per cent of Americans consider themselves Christian. Bad, bad strategy to kick them in the face non stop....
Has anyone else noticed the Dems back peddling hard after the Calif. defeat? Bigger loss than one state, the chill in Congress.... in New York state ...
Is there a political game left, or all bullshit and blather, anger and finger pointing, and can't win an election. What a team to bet on.... and a long term recession which will be the ONLY thing on the popular mind.... food and housing, stuff like that, vs. a wedding cake ... don't mean to be rude, but all the signs point to a long term strategy and name calling won't ever be good for that.
More...
I was very gay and had sex with several partners, several members.
The pro Mormon haters are silly. You may kick the church for its horrid political stands, that goes back 40 years to Ezra Taft Benson, but, after all I believe
all the good I experienced and the theology of the pre-existence and on to the worlds without numbers.
Remember all the space time stuff was dogma in the 1840 ies - long before modern astronomy.
We now know that it is true, galaxy count is in the hundreds of billions and stars counted beyond number systems - and that is what we can see from Hubbell. String theory seems interesting as well - many universes existing side by side ...
I have not been to church for 30 years, no intention to go active. But do not think hating Mormons will do any thing to advance gay rights. The opposite will happen.
If Mormons really enter the anti marriage fight for real on on the long term, and the anti adoption fight, expect to loose many more elections.
Calif. was a debacle because of a poor campaign, and us queers were our organized, out worked, out voted and almost out spent. The Mormons can do it again with new found Catholic and Fundie friends.
Why will our next ballot fight be different? The Calif. campaign won't hardly discuss their horrible mistakes.
Ultimately attacking churches unites "Christians"... 80 per cent of Americans consider themselves Christian. Bad, bad strategy to kick them in the face non stop....
Has anyone else noticed the Dems back peddling hard after the Calif. defeat? Bigger loss than one state, the chill in Congress.... in New York state ...
Is there a political game left, or all bullshit and blather, anger and finger pointing, and can't win an election. What a team to bet on.... and a long term recession which will be the ONLY thing on the popular mind.... food and housing, stuff like that, vs. a wedding cake ... don't mean to be rude, but all the signs point to a long term strategy and name calling won't ever be good for that.
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Is tithing kinda like frottage?
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All churches ding you for money - all - all. And most talk of a tithe. Mormons do the same, but, few pay the full tithe of 10 per cent, none that I ever knew.
The outsisde world makes a big deal out of this, why, when it so common in all churches is a mystery.... because there is no professional clergy, most Mormons feel very strong ownership - and pay with no qualms what they can. It is their building, their social programs,and they often do the sermon as lay members.
Might be a good organizing model there for the more astute.... but, Mormon haters hate every piece, even the most mundane, like paying bills.
The outsisde world makes a big deal out of this, why, when it so common in all churches is a mystery.... because there is no professional clergy, most Mormons feel very strong ownership - and pay with no qualms what they can. It is their building, their social programs,and they often do the sermon as lay members.
Might be a good organizing model there for the more astute.... but, Mormon haters hate every piece, even the most mundane, like paying bills.
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@37
Nephi is 110% on.
Militant homosexual attacks on Mormons drive culturally conservative Christians (Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, Baptists, etc) together despite huge theological differences.
It turns out that Baptist like homosexuals even less than Mormons, which is saying a lot.
'Victimhood' is the currency of the realm in our society and the post Prop 8 circus has been a Golden Goose for Mormons.
It helps Romney in a 2012 bid.
Obama was not onboard for Gay marriage before the Prop 8 debacle and is further away now.
Reacting based on anger is never a winning strategy.
Nephi is 110% on.
Militant homosexual attacks on Mormons drive culturally conservative Christians (Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, Baptists, etc) together despite huge theological differences.
It turns out that Baptist like homosexuals even less than Mormons, which is saying a lot.
'Victimhood' is the currency of the realm in our society and the post Prop 8 circus has been a Golden Goose for Mormons.
It helps Romney in a 2012 bid.
Obama was not onboard for Gay marriage before the Prop 8 debacle and is further away now.
Reacting based on anger is never a winning strategy.
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@37 - I went to Europe too, but I'm sooo jealous of the fun it sounds like you had there in the old days. Wish I had been a little more apostate myself during the mish.
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#41
After my mission, I went into the Air Force, Germany, and let me tell you - gay bars have nothing on the Air Force .....
Good luck, and you can appreciate, both of us, and many others, have many questions to ask at a distant time and place. And, I will ask them.
After my mission, I went into the Air Force, Germany, and let me tell you - gay bars have nothing on the Air Force .....
Good luck, and you can appreciate, both of us, and many others, have many questions to ask at a distant time and place. And, I will ask them.
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I don't know, Theo and Nephi - anger may cloud judgment, but it can also get you up off your ass. Remember - we are not trying to change mormon minds. They cannot be changed, or if they can, they are not worth changing. Too much effort for too little return. 5% of the population? Yawn.
We are targeting the easily swayed, the moderates, the "cafeteria faithful" who have an amorphous Christianity at best. These folks decided the election, and they were pushed towards prop 8 by skillful advertising and tons of organized effort fueled in large part by LDS. They can easily be pushed the other way by similar tactics coming from the other direction, and that's what we need. We need motivation for this level of organization - the mormons had faith, we have anger, and it's a great source.
If you think some cranky protesters are going to shock and appall people for more than a few weeks, you're wrong. Terrorism in India, collapsing economy, and every other unspeakable horror we see on the news...in two years, who's gonna really give a shit about some white powder sent to a church where no one even died or got hurt? Boooring. But get some good TV commercials out there, add a little guilt and play on anti-mormon bigotry, and you've got those few percentage points you need to get the win. That's right out of the LDS playbook.
We are targeting the easily swayed, the moderates, the "cafeteria faithful" who have an amorphous Christianity at best. These folks decided the election, and they were pushed towards prop 8 by skillful advertising and tons of organized effort fueled in large part by LDS. They can easily be pushed the other way by similar tactics coming from the other direction, and that's what we need. We need motivation for this level of organization - the mormons had faith, we have anger, and it's a great source.
If you think some cranky protesters are going to shock and appall people for more than a few weeks, you're wrong. Terrorism in India, collapsing economy, and every other unspeakable horror we see on the news...in two years, who's gonna really give a shit about some white powder sent to a church where no one even died or got hurt? Boooring. But get some good TV commercials out there, add a little guilt and play on anti-mormon bigotry, and you've got those few percentage points you need to get the win. That's right out of the LDS playbook.
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@43
very inspiring.
corrupt means will corrupt the end.
very inspiring.
corrupt means will corrupt the end.
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The reason that Mormon boys come home from missions business minded and family focused is because they have to get their 19 year old butts out of bed to face guaranteed grief behind the doors they knock on. Calling for the book to give these kids hell will only make them more resolute, us versus them. How about you ask them to sit down and eat some pizza and let them get to know that their gay neighbors are people that want to be happy and left alone. Like Mormon families in the south do.
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I just hope one of you calls up for your free copy of the Book of Mormon!
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Hmm. This made me curious to see if I can figure out this fact ... What estimated percentage of the American population is Mormon vs. What estimated percentage is GLBT? I'd dare say that we fags must outnumber them ... even if we only have cats and small yippy dogs as opposed to 10 children.
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We outnumber them 3 or 4 to 1.
By more in California.
We raised more Prop 8 money too.
They still beat us.
They are organized committed civil-minded patriots.
We are spoiled self-indulgent selfish degenerates.
Oh, also God is on their side.
By more in California.
We raised more Prop 8 money too.
They still beat us.
They are organized committed civil-minded patriots.
We are spoiled self-indulgent selfish degenerates.
Oh, also God is on their side.
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Every time I read that we can safely attack the LDS and not to worry, a chill crawls down my back.
I am a member of several gay blogs (political, hobby clubs, etc). You would not believe the backlash against me and others whenever we mention the christianists or discuss how hateful the church is. Not only are many fundamentalist Christians more inclined to help the LDS than to grant us human status, there is an enormously large number of American gays who are in thrall to their conservative beliefs.
Unbelievable to those of us who are out, unimaginable to those of us who live in civilized places like San Francisco - but true none-the-less.
I am also a member of a fair number of conservative and Christian think-tank and discussion sites (know thy enemy) and, over the years have learned a few things.
Here's what I think is going on:
The hardest core of fundamentalists and the christianists (political exploiters of simple-minded Christians' fears) are not going to be moved by anything.
There is a broad swath of paranoia and fear of persecution in the conservative Christian community. Yeah, I know - sort of like the SS worrying about the Brownshirts killing them in their sleep - but it is part and parcel of their belief system. Attacking anyone as some idiots have done (that poor old woman with the cross, trashing LDS churches) has nothing to do with being fabulous. We only feed their strength that way.
There is a wide agreement among the intelligent, conservative Christians (that is not an oxy-moron, how many smart gays do you know who dress exactly the same as everybody else? How many treat bottoms differently than tops?) right, she does go on so, sorry, where was I, oh, right: Our best approach is to convince the intelligent Christians to leave us be, support our getting full federal civil rights including civil unions and the right to serve openly in the military. They don't want anymore of this mess, can't stand the christianists and would rather find a solution now than have open warfare in their churches for the next decades.
We fcucked up Prop. 8 through arrogance (how many of those black women who voted against us did so because they see us as attacking their already horrible social condition? Lots.)
We blew it because an awful lot of us "don't do" politics. Got news for you, ladies. First, they take away your civil rights. Then your human status. Then they torture and murder you. It's been done before. Frequently.
We have awakened a sleeping tiger through the attacks on the LDS, we are only gaining them sympathy among the conservatives - just go read sites like http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/ go through the archives from November for gay topics. Yikes!
Time to grow up and fast. Oh, and yes, whenever a missionary shows up at my door (usually alone over here in Europe), I invite him in, sit him down with coffee and cake and let him talk. Explain gently why his church' positions towards me are wrong. Give him another slice, help him with any aspect of living here I can. I won't change his mind about the LDS... but he surely will know that there are gays out there who are not as he was taught we are in Podunk or Deep Denial.
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I am a member of several gay blogs (political, hobby clubs, etc). You would not believe the backlash against me and others whenever we mention the christianists or discuss how hateful the church is. Not only are many fundamentalist Christians more inclined to help the LDS than to grant us human status, there is an enormously large number of American gays who are in thrall to their conservative beliefs.
Unbelievable to those of us who are out, unimaginable to those of us who live in civilized places like San Francisco - but true none-the-less.
I am also a member of a fair number of conservative and Christian think-tank and discussion sites (know thy enemy) and, over the years have learned a few things.
Here's what I think is going on:
The hardest core of fundamentalists and the christianists (political exploiters of simple-minded Christians' fears) are not going to be moved by anything.
There is a broad swath of paranoia and fear of persecution in the conservative Christian community. Yeah, I know - sort of like the SS worrying about the Brownshirts killing them in their sleep - but it is part and parcel of their belief system. Attacking anyone as some idiots have done (that poor old woman with the cross, trashing LDS churches) has nothing to do with being fabulous. We only feed their strength that way.
There is a wide agreement among the intelligent, conservative Christians (that is not an oxy-moron, how many smart gays do you know who dress exactly the same as everybody else? How many treat bottoms differently than tops?) right, she does go on so, sorry, where was I, oh, right: Our best approach is to convince the intelligent Christians to leave us be, support our getting full federal civil rights including civil unions and the right to serve openly in the military. They don't want anymore of this mess, can't stand the christianists and would rather find a solution now than have open warfare in their churches for the next decades.
We fcucked up Prop. 8 through arrogance (how many of those black women who voted against us did so because they see us as attacking their already horrible social condition? Lots.)
We blew it because an awful lot of us "don't do" politics. Got news for you, ladies. First, they take away your civil rights. Then your human status. Then they torture and murder you. It's been done before. Frequently.
We have awakened a sleeping tiger through the attacks on the LDS, we are only gaining them sympathy among the conservatives - just go read sites like http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/ go through the archives from November for gay topics. Yikes!
Time to grow up and fast. Oh, and yes, whenever a missionary shows up at my door (usually alone over here in Europe), I invite him in, sit him down with coffee and cake and let him talk. Explain gently why his church' positions towards me are wrong. Give him another slice, help him with any aspect of living here I can. I won't change his mind about the LDS... but he surely will know that there are gays out there who are not as he was taught we are in Podunk or Deep Denial.
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God, do I want to shag a Mormon missionary SO BAD.
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The saddest thing about Mormons is that they think they are perfectly justified in holding themselves well above any non-believer or as they say, gentile. They think African Americans are less than human, and I don't even think a gay person would register on their "human" scale. Christianity in concept, to me, means loving one another, accepting and caring for one another, not being exclusive and cruel. But even scarier than that is how many Mormons there are in this country and around the world! I can't wrap my head around how many people buy into their hateful bullshit!
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P.S. The guy on that Missionary Calendar had his degree taken away from BYU and was kicked out of the church! They didn't take anything off but their shirts, but his 4 year degree is now null and void. Not that it could possibly be worth anything anyway. Brigham Young was a self described, "Liar for God" who sanctioned murdering settlers in their covered wagons, (including all the women and children), and then trying to blame it on the local Native Americans! Good God, Mormons! Wake the hell up already!
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I went to a BYU TCU basketball game last year a missionary invited me.I been talking with him just to get near thos hot 19 20 year old guys!it was well worth it just to be surrounded by hot mormon guys.anyway at the basketball game.one missionary wore very tight pin strip slacks.he was very cute and had a very nice ASS!I hope one day to be nailed by a mormon boy someday!
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