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2008 Mormon Protest Slogan Contest!
Posted by David Schmader on Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:47 PM
This just in from Utah Democrat Katherine:
I'm going to the Prop. 8 protest with my family tonight in downtown Salt Lake City, next to the biggest, fattest LDS temple. I want to make as many protest signs as possible, but I'm so enraged that I'm having trouble coming up with pithy stuff to put on them. (I drove by the temple this afternoon while picking my son up from school and saw dozens of Mormon brides parading across the street to Temple Square. I could hardly drive in a straight line after that.)Might Sloggers have any ideas?
I wrote back and told her Sloggers will have nothing but ideas. Please make good on my promise in the comments.
My best bet: A group sing of "Take the M out of Mormon and it's moron," sung to the tune of the Motels' "Take the L Out of Lover (And It's Over)".
(Also: "Keep your cult out of our culture wars!" and, of course, "FUCK YOU, BIGOTS!")
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Marriage is a sacred institution, between a man, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman....
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Thanks for the pitches, Scott and Glen, but the polygamy angle is something of a dead end, as only the even-more-loony-tunes Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints partakes of it anymore.
But the Mitt pitch: bingo.
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Learn from Obama and go the positive route:
Gay people pay taxes too. Separate your church from my state.
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Keep Your Body (of Christ) off my Laws
And who says the polygamy thing is out of bounds? I figured Ridiculous-Lie Season was open.
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"You have two wives. All I want is one husband."
*only works if it's a sign held by a gay man obviously.
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Everyone: Listen to Lenny. (But if you need to blow off steam by pitching ridiculously offensive slogans here for the delight of your fellow Slogsters, please do.)
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Lenny is right... I was trying to come up with something catchy about separation of church and state, but "Separate your church from my state" is pretty damned good.
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Someone needs to do a Visit Utah at Gay-friendly places website or tour guide.
So that anyone visiting can stay at good places and so on.
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Keep Your Laws out of our Drawers (gotta get the accent right)
Stolen from FABBs Keep Unfair Laws Off our Paws
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Morman Church - attend to the beam in thine own eye.
ok sorry. couldn't come up with anything! I tried. According to Wiki they don't like being called "Morman Church" for whatever reason.
How about 'Joseph Smith is a liar liar magic underpants on fire'? Ok doesn't address the issue either. I give up.
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Give to every human being every right that you claim for yourself. ~Robert Ingersoll
or perhaps the Human Equality symbol. (http://www.hrc.org/)
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Marriage is between an old man and a lot of little girls. Remember that those sick bastard child rapists in Texas are Mormons.
Mormon Family Values = My Daughters Are My Wives
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The hypocrisy angle is a good one, I think. Not so long ago, the Mormons were suffering discriminatory legislation by Victorian prudes. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
I like the simple, like "HYPOCRITES."
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To have and to hold, from this day forward, as long as we both shall live: yup, sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me!
Hate is not a family value
Yes, we can
Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one
We are all children of God
...and right on, Lenny. WWBD? (What Would Barack Do?)
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N.B.: Did you know, there's a Moron University in Buenos Aires.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Mor%C3%B3n
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The hypocrisy angle is a good one, I think. Not so long ago, the Mormons were suffering discriminatory legislation by Victorian prudes. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
I like the simple, like "HYPOCRITES."
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Every Mormon that grew up with any non-Mormons became numb to the "moron" taunt by the 3rd grade. Try something else.
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Another Ingersoll
"An infinite God ought to be able to protect himself, without going in partnership with State Legislatures."
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Take the high road. This hate speech is counterproductive to the cause. Maybe I'm just basking in the afterglow of the Obama victory, but this divisive rhetoric is the last thing we need.
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"Mormons: Paying for hate since the 1800's"
and
"Mormons: We believe in another bible, so we must be TWICE AS RIGHTEOUS!"
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Can't think of a slogan, but it seems like a cult that got kicked out of Illinois back in the nineteenth century because of their deviant sexual practices might be a little more cautious about casting stones.
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How about "Save Marriage from Marie Osmond." Or, "Joseph Smith and 33 wives; two were 14 years old, and you're upset that I want to Marry?" "Brigham Young had 50+ Wives - Hypocrites!"
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How about "Save Marriage from Marie Osmond." Or, "Joseph Smith and 33 wives; two were 14 years old, and you're upset that I want to Marry?" "Brigham Young had 50+ Wives - Hypocrites!"
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How about "Save Marriage from Marie Osmond." Or, "Joseph Smith and 33 wives; two were 14 years old, and you're upset that I want to Marry?" "Brigham Young had 50+ Wives - Hypocrites!"
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Speaking as a Mormon who is not a fan of the stance on Prop 8, I'd say "Separate your church from my state!" @9 would actually be effective, especially considering the way a lot of Utahns are anti-guvmint. @48 is right - there's not a single one of these insults that I haven't heard a million times. Would you like to be #1-million-and-1 to ask how many moms I have?
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After reading this post and associated comments, it's becoming very blurry to me about who the bigots and hate-mongers are.
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Discrimination: Utah's biggest export
The Mormon Agenda - crossing state lines and bedroom doors
The LDS: Judging you all the way from Utah
Salt Lake City knows what's best for your family
Mormon meddling: coming soon to YOUR constitution
The LDS: Nothing shows God's love like using children to lie
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LATTER DAY SAINTS -
WHO DID YOU PEEVE?
ADAM AND STEVE!
- or -
LATTER DAY SAINTS -
WHO DID YOU PEEVE?
MADAME AND EVE!
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"GOD DOESN'T HATE LOVE"
"FAMILY VALUES? VALUE FAMILIES."
"INTOLERANCE IS UNAMERICAN."
"EXCUSE ME. I THINK YOU SPILLED YOUR HATE IN MY CONSTITUTION."
"DON'T BE AFRAID OF LOVE."
"BEING QUEER IS NOTHING TO FEAR."
"LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL."
"THOUSANDS OF GAYS GOT MARRIED AND MY MARRIAGE IS STILL FINE, THANK YOU."
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Protest haiku, to my knowledge, has never failed.
We want to marry
And, come on, you worship bees.
Let’s just call it square.
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Can't think of a slogan, but it seems like a cult that got kicked out of Illinois back in the nineteenth century because of their deviant sexual practices might be a little more cautious about casting stones.The Mormons are pushing anti-gay laws to get credibility from the larger Christian establishment. Polygamy is the LDS Church's greatest PR disaster, so what better way to distance themselves from it and get respect from other evangelical nutjobs than to mandate "traditional" marriage for everyone? Mitt Romney probably would have run against Barack Obama except many Christians had a problem with his religion. The more respect they get from Protestants and Catholics, the more money and power they get. I think bringing attention to their polygamist roots might be a good idea to help make their plan backfire...
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My favorites so far are “Separate your church from my state”, “Legislating Discrimination Stinks”, “Mormons: Bankrolling Hate in 2008”, and something like “Government Out of LDS; LDS Out of Government”.
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62: Responding to an attack is not the same as attacking. Anger at being demoted to second-class citizens is not hate. Write it down.
When people start raising money to deny marriage rights to Mormons, maybe your equivalency argument will hold some water, but until then, pssh.
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MORMON PRIORITIES:
Divorce For The Living
Baptism For The Dead
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/practices/baptism_for_the_dead.htm
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Use their scripture against them:
D&C 134:9 "We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government"
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Saw this on a sign in a news photo:
More Love
Less "8"
(Probably works better in California than in Utah.)
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I notice they're not laying out any money on trying to prevent old skeezy FLDS codgers from fucking little girls, abandoning little boys, and making taxpayers support THEIR lifestyle, but isn't it lovely that they'll shell out twenty million to prevent two grownups from getting married.
We all have our priorities.
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@34 and all the church/state: Keep your church off my state.
Keep your church off my marital state.
Somehow play around with Moroni, the angel on top of their temples:
Moron, I. Something.
Oh oh: "Missionaries double up. Why can't gays?"
"Mormons suck. Sometimes each others' cocks. Support gay marriage."
"Keep your underwear off my tuxedo.
Keep your underwear off my gown."
Isn't brainstorming fun?
"You can't cure homosexuality. You can choose your religion."
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this is just an extension of their history, the 1857 murder of innocent women and children by mormons, the mountain meadows massacre. I wonder why they were banned from political offices in early, Idaho,....oh, yeah, it was their record of trying to take of politically and running non mormons out!!!!!
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can't we all just get along?
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything. We’ll, we’ll get our justice....Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out." -rodney king
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As an ex-mormon I can give you a some info but I'm bad w/ the slogans---Mormon creation story involves a war in heaven where Jesus wanted everyone to have FREE AGENCY (free to choose right or wrong etc) and Satan wanted to rule the world so that everyone would get into heave -- so he was cast into outer darkness"
maybe a "Render unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasars"...could work here not really sure
Molly Mormon & Peter Priesthoods are goody 2shoe Mormons---Jack Mormon is like the Mormon who drinks or smokes then pretends to be a Molly---also don't know if that will do you any good--wish I could be there!! Be careful -- Utah is scary!!
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I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread but:
Hi Sloggers,
I'm Katherine the Utah Democrat's husband:
We took the whole fam (4 kids: yes we were were raised Mormon) to the protest tonight. It was fabulous. Very much a party atmosphere, with people of all stripes. According to the local Fox affiliate, 2000 people were there. (I think there might have been more.)
There were some haters trying to make a counter-protest, but they were few and seemed to disappear after an hour or so. (Weirdly, some of them were the regular evangelical anti-Mormon nutjobs who haunt Temple Square. Politics makes strange bedfellows I suppose.)
There were also lots of well-behaved cops around.
Here were some of the slogans we went with:
You can have my gay marriage when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Traditional marriage? Let's ask Brigham Young.
$25 million wasted on hate and fear.
Jesus wants me for a Sunbeam, why don't you?
Love is always the answer.
Don't fear love. Fear is the enemy.
Marriage for all.
... and maybe one or two I don't recall now.
Some slogans we saw there that were good:
When do we get to vote on your marriage? (My favorite)
America is not a theocracy.
Keep your Doctrine out of our Covenants. (You may not get this if you're not familiar with mormon scripture.)
Anyway, thanks for the ideas. Maybe Katherine will write a longer report later if anyone is interested.
Peace out, fellow liberals.
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Thanks for the report back! Those are great slogans, except for the "when do we get to vote on your marriage", cuz we already did -- Utah wasn't allowed into the union until they got rid of the polygamy. What goes around comes around.
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Lets make it a round 100.
How bout
Get your filthy stinky hands off of my marriage you damn dirty mormons!
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Can't think of a better Slogan than their own Scripture ---
We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
-- Doctrine and Covenants 134:9
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THIS IS NOT A SLOGAN SUGGESTION, only an observation. The bigotry--on both sides--needs to stop.
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Why don't you all realize that the proposition passed. It wasn't just the mormons who voted for it!!!! I'm not a mormon but I do think they had the right to vote, even though it upsets me also this is not the way to handle it. I'm sorry you are so upset and angry but why don't you do something productive and don't just bully the people who were for it to pass. All you are teaching your children and others around you is that you are mean, narrow minded, bullies, who want to scare the mormons into voting a different way, which by the way they won't. You aren't going to do any good, unless you think getting arrested, or killing someone, or getting yourself killed is good. Nothing else is going to come out of this.
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I personally am not against gays in any way. I think they have the right to live their lives their own way. But that doesn't mean I think they should be married. I feel that they can have civil marriages. But marriage is between a man and a woman. I think they have the right to go against that and try to get laws passed. But for now as was proven more people in the U.S. feel the same way I do. If there is a time that people all feel differently then I would be ok with it and let it go. But going against and protesting one church is not right, it's being a bully and just trying to scare them. All that is going to come out of this is someone getting killed.
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@Patrick: No, the reason for attacking the LDS church is that they funneled millions of dollars into changing the way a person that may not believe the same views can live their life. The LDS church scared the crap out of people with their "say yes to prop 8" things, and they probably forced many people to vote that way.
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EMAIL FEEDBACK TO ME marc@marcluxe.com
"KEEP YOUR CELESTIAL MARRIAGE OFF MY SECULAR [or TEMPORAL] SPOUSE"
THOU SHALT NOT LIE; MORMON PROF. THURSTON SAYS "OUR LDS LEADERS SPREAD LIES" [MORRIS A. THURSTON SEE MORMONSFORMARRIAGE.COM]
THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS [TO OUR LOVE]
"MORMON UVU* PROF. NEILSEN:"MARRIAGE EQUALITY =
A STRONGER MARRIAGE FOR ALL" ... OR
"= A BETTER MARRIAGE FOR YOU" OR
"= A STRONGER BOND FOR ALL" [*UVU = utah valley univ.; also a prof at Westminster College]
"WHY DOES YOUR RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE TRUMP MY SECULAR MARRIAGE?"
"WHY SHOULD YOUR LOVE OF FAITH TRUMP MY LIFETIME OF LOVE?"
"SO ONLY YOU GET TO HAVE FREE AGENCY?" [Is this an accurate part of LDS theology?]
"LDS ELDERS:WRONG ON RACE [1978], WRONG ON E.R.A.[1971], WRONG ON PROP 8" + "WHEN WILL YOU LEARN DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG" [somebody check the dates]
"PROP 8 HARMS MY FAMILY! SO MUCH FOR LDS FAMILY VALUES"
"KEEP YOU "VALUES" OFF MY FAMILY" or
"... OFF MY GAY SON-IN-"LAW"" or
"... OFF MY GAY SON-IN-NOT-LAW"
"DOES PROP 8 MAKE YOUR FAMILY BETTER? IT MAKES MINE WORSE!"
"PROP 8 = MORE TEEN SUICIDES" [adding some mormon theology of death/afterlife might work here]
"PROP 8: TYRANNY OF THE LDS MINORITY"
"GAY CALIFORNIANS & FRIENDS 48%; LDS CALIFORNIANS 2%...ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT A VOTE ON RIGHTS?"
"LDS 1% OF CALIFORNIA -> 50% OF 8's MILLION $$$$...THAT'S WHY!"
"LDS UNDERWEAR = BLENDED FABRICS [Lev]; LOVE THE SINNER" [mormons... accuracy?]
"STRANGER BEDFELLOWS? ELLEN & EVE, OR THE VATICAN & TEMPLE SQUARE?"
"STRANGER BEDFELLOWS? ADAM & STEVE, OR POPE & LDS PRESIDENT"
"STRANGER BEDFELLOWS? kd & MELISSA, OR CATHOLICS & MORMON "CULT"?"
(many other Christian demoninations call the Mormons a cult...I think they hate this, which makes these alliances all the more ironic)
"WHICH IS WORSE ACTIVISM: 4 JUDGES PROTECTING RIGHTS OR 1 GOVERNOR VETOING 2 MARRIAGE BILLS PASSED BY 1000 CAL LEGISLATORS?"
"EXTRA! EXTRA! ACTIVIST JUDGES PROTECT EVEN SMALLER MINORITY THAN GAYS-- THE MORMONS"
"EXTRA! EXTRA! ACTIVIST JUDGES PROTECT EVEN SMALLER MINORITY THAN GAYS-- -THE MORMONS" + “JUST WAIT TIL YOU NEED ‘EM. RIGHTS, THAT IS” or
+ …” JUST WAIT TILL YOU NEED PROTECTION FROM THE MAJORITY…AGAIN”
“”DO UNTO OTHERS” DOES NOT MEAN (OR ≠) LEGISLATE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE”
“DOES YOUR LDS MARRIAGE COVENANT* REALLY NEED PROTECTION FROM US? KINDA WEAK [or INSECURE] , HUH?” (* Is marriage covenant the right LDS term?)
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Patrick: The protesters are teaching their children an eternal truth: Putting minority rights up to majority vote is not right, and not the American way.
It's nice that, in your position of privilege, you can sit and mull about the motives of the disenfranchised. But a sensitive bigot is still a bigot.
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How about this "the people of California are brainless and can't think for them selves and the Mormon church controls you" come on the church did not pass this, the people of California did!!!!!!!!!!!1
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@ 104, 105
Patrick:
don't you get it? attitudes like the ones the mormons just spent $25 million promoting have already gotten alot of people killed, a lot of gay people killed! It's lame to say its okay for us to hate on you because we're only following (our own bizarre interpretation of) god's will but it's not okay for you to hate us back.
Can you please tell me what is so special about the love of a man and a woman? I just don't get it. Out of all the dozens of kinds of emotional relationships humans can have, whay is that one so special that it should get to have all the financial, legal, insurance, etc., benefits?
It really sounds like you need the affirmation of special rights before you can believe your (hetero) love is real.
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I think its neat that heterosexual sex can lead to babies and all, but where does that mean that you get to lord over all other people because you happened to be born heterosexual?
Following that logic - that marriage rights and benefits are special rights for people born heterosexually-orient{d - then marriage should be denied for hetero couples who are infertile or who choose never to have kids.
Hetero couples fuck because it feels good and a lot of them don't think about the having babies part until later. Nature made fucking feel so good to make sure that that - for hetero couples at least - some babies would get born, because in general humans are too dumb to have procreated otherwise.
So I ask you again: what so special about love between aman and a woman that it should get these special rights and bebfits more than anyone else? Gay men and lesbians can have sex with the opposite sex, there are lots of gay dads and lesbian moms who were in hetero marriages and have had children. So the special rights aren't about proceation because gay men and lesbians have and can have hetero sex to procreate if they need to. Its just nature designed us to love and want to fuck people of our own sex the same way nature designed you and/or heteros to love and fuck opposit sex (and the bis to love and fuck all kinds of people).
There's no way you can say the love between a man and woman isomehow so special that only they deserve to have a bunch of special rights and benefits without being that you think you're better than all other people.
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I think its neat that heterosexual sex can lead to babies and all, but where does that mean that you get to lord over all other people because you happened to be born heterosexual?
Following that logic - that marriage rights and benefits are special rights for people born heterosexually-orient{d - then marriage should be denied for hetero couples who are infertile or who choose never to have kids.
Hetero couples fuck because it feels good and a lot of them don't think about the having babies part until later. Nature made fucking feel so good to make sure that that - for hetero couples at least - some babies would get born, because in general humans are too dumb to have procreated otherwise.
So I ask you again: what so special about love between aman and a woman that it should get these special rights and bebfits more than anyone else? Gay men and lesbians can have sex with the opposite sex, there are lots of gay dads and lesbian moms who were in hetero marriages and have had children. So the special rights aren't about proceation because gay men and lesbians have and can have hetero sex to procreate if they need to. Its just nature designed us to love and want to fuck people of our own sex the same way nature designed you and/or heteros to love and fuck opposit sex (and the bis to love and fuck all kinds of people).
There's no way you can say the love between a man and woman isomehow so special that only they deserve to have a bunch of special rights and benefits without being that you think you're better than all other people.
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'Marriage is a sacred institution between one creepy old guy and half a dozen scared, underage rape victims.'
Ok, it's bit long for a picket sign, but hey...
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'Pay Lay Ale'
Supposed to scare'em.
'Take your magic underwear and fuck yourselves straight to hell'
It was either that or a molotov cocktail to the foyer.
'Tax the church'
Hey, that $700 billion bailout isn't going to pay for itself.
'Mormon=Liar'
'Mormon=Hater'
'Mormon=Crazy'
'Mormon=Bigot'
Take your pick.
'Separate your church from my state'
Seems to be the winner here.
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I was watching this race with interest, as an ex-pat from WA and CA now living in the UK, I'm legally bound to another man where it's NO BIG DEAL. I don't understand why some people are so threatened by the idea of two people committing themselves to each other. Who gives a crap what their genitals look like? I've been saying this for years now: If marriage is a legal agreement, then the church has no more place in defining or framing it than any other contract; whereas, if marriage is a religious institution, then laws shall not impede on the right to freedom of religion (First Amendment to the Constitution, anyone?). Here in the UK, we have a Human Rights Act, and perhaps the US should stop living in the 18th Century and join us in the 21st.
I agree that it was the voters of CA that chose this again (remember 2000? Proposition 22?) However, I'm blaming the LDS for manipulating people into voting against something that they may support in principle but got scared into voting against.
Keep the light shining bright, stay angry, stay focussed, but lose the hate...
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I think protest is ok but more california gays and their families and friends and children getting involved and voting will be even better. Hopefully now they are awake and staying vigilant to do so. Simply because when the vote is used to discriminate against the civil rights of a minority it is abused. I could reference legislation from germany during world war II as examples, but I want to keep this brief. I do think relentless protest is a fair and called for duty of citizens who understand the value and neccesity of equality and fighting unjust laws. I would have gladly said live and let live in a world where mormons had to deal with the fact that gay mariages exist and yes may even be included in books, but mormons are free to teach their child whatever religious perspective they have on the matter. They also get the bonus of Celestial Marriage while the rest of us poor mortals are limited till death us do part. But this repectful approach is not what occurred, instead they knowingly or unknowingly, (because some don't get out much)entered the living rooms of their neighbors saying their rights superseded those of their fellow citizens and in effect canceling and attempting to revoke their neighbors marriages. Then the church leadership's most appalling act was the nerve to press release that no hostility was intended. This would sort of be like Saying to Jews...we're sorry but since you don'r believe like we do we think it would be better for the children if we restricted your rights. That kind of sentiment ended badly and they called it the Holocaust. Conversly were it a California amendment to limit gross overpopulation by restricting the number of births mormon families could have for the good of the children and society as a whole... Would that be ok to vote for ? The answer should be no. Since the result of this legistaltion is indeed more than hostile and intolerant it is a gross injustice that must not stand. We may take a lesson from MLK Jr though and the progress made in other civil rights battles by virtue of the philosophy of Non-violent protest. We should channel anger into positive action. I hope the California Supreme court grows a pair invalidates Prop 8 on the grounds that it revises fundamental tenets of the California Constitution on equality for at least 18,000 couples and for those countless not yet married. As such prop 8 is invalid under existing California law. My suggested slogan is in the sentiment of my favorite US supreme court justice. Thurgood
"Your Rights Stop at MY Nose"
God Bless Activist Judges who make unpopular decisions overturning unjust laws...Blacks and women can vote and are entitled to attend the same schools and even serve their country in the military.Gosh how did we ever survive?
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Boy... there is a LOT of hate, bigotry and discrimination in the thread, all in the name of fighting hate, bigotry and discrimination. Fascinating. And dissapointing.
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I am simply amqzed that we have these dazed posters here defending the LDS. Gays and Lesbians are not infallable. We make mistakes and we have emotions. It is mt intention to protest the Mormon scum loudly and to give them the rage and venom they deserve. If they are scared, good. They should be scared. They should be quaking in their self-righteous boots.
So often, gays get smacked down by religious groups telling us that they don't wabnt us pusghing our sex lives under their noses. We been told to keep our sex lifes private, because you (MORMON) do not want to see it.
The role has been reversed. Gays have be quietly pursuing their rights through the the court systems - and we are winning. So, this gutter relion of Mormon decides that THEY know what's best for the country and short-circuit our legal victories.
It is my position, and the position of many others that I know, that Mormons shall reap what they have sown. The preached hate and they are going to get hate. They judged us and they are going to be judged. They are trying to destroy us and our families. We will destroy them. DESTROY THEM.
Let them call up a counter protest. Let them get one of their guttersnipe members to get up in my face. He will never, ever have an opportunity to talk again.
This is the breaking point for me. I'm coming and my friends are coming. It is time to demonstrate that we are not all stereotypes like you see on TV or prancing about on a stupid Gay Pride float.
We are being threatened - yet again - this time we'll fight back in ways not typically associated with the Gay & Lesbian Community. We are going to run them out of NYC - in fear. What they did is the tipping point. A church is going after me with millions. Those gleaming church walls will not protect them.
Get angry. Get Real. These are the people who should experience your rage, your hostility, and you vengeance. We must steel ourselves to the fact that these are repulsive human beings unworthy of compassion.
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I am a mormon and I do not hate gays or lesbians. I do however believe that marriage is ordained of God and should only be between a man and a woman. This does not equate to hate. I understand why you want to believe that Mormon's hate gays and lesbians. I imagine that it is easier to spew hatred toward mormon's if one really believes that ormon's in fact hate them. Well we don't. In fact, I do not know a mormon who hates anyone because of their sexual orientation. I that a person can love another while choosing to subscribe to different beliefs. I am sorry if you feel my beliefs are wrong. I maintain that I have as much a right to believe the way I do as you have a right to believe the way you do. Diversity of opinions makes this country great. I am appalled by such things as gay bashing, and I would certainly be dismayed to see mormon bashing become the accepted practice among the very group that has been on the receiving end of such things. I am sorry to see that many here and elsewhere appear to be advocating that very thing. Peace to you and God Bless.
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I love "Let us get married or I'll make you fuck my mouth" I am going to greet every missionary that way.
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As a member of this nation, mormon or not, I have the RIGHT to protest and use my resources to protect things I feel is important. Do you really think this is the only church that was protesting your belief, or do you find it the easiest target to yell at. if you did not spend so much money on other things, you could have had the same amount of ads on TV about your belief in what you stand for. Get a grip, God won and you lost. I have just as much of a right to post my beliefs and make my points known. Get over it. Think about this, how many disasters and poor have the Gay and Lesbian organizations supported. How many storm and earthquake disasters have YOU gone to putting your life on hold to help others? Think about all the poor and needy that will be going without because you want to tear down an organization that has a group of people that happen to disagree with you. Do you really want to do that? If you do, then you are very shallow and self centered.
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Barry wrote:
I do however believe that marriage is ordained of God and should only be between a man and a woman.I know the point you're trying to make is about hate, but let's stop right there. Please remember that whether you think marriage is "ordained of God" or "ordained of a magic snake" it makes no sense to write laws based on that belief. In this country we're not supposed to write one person's (or many people's) mythological beliefs into law.
I do not know a mormon who hates anyone because of their sexual orientation.Got it. No hate, just the desire to prevent people from marrying each other. Very loving of you.
I maintain that I have as much a right to believe the way I do as you have a right to believe the way you do.I agree. However, people are now writing your and their bigoted beliefs -- those which you have every right to hold -- into law. That's bad.
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recently seen:
"Restraining Order:
Your religious beliefs must stay 500 yards away from my constitutional rights at all times."
"Joseph Smith had 34
Brigham Young had 56
I just want 1!"
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"I can't believe we still have to protest this crap: [x]women's rights, [x]blacks' rights, [_]gay rights "
"Gay is the new Negro"
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Awesome . . . way to spread the message of tolerance, equality and love of all men by targeting groups, slandering their way of life and spreading ignorance.
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Gay rights
Are
Civil rights
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NOBODY chooses who they fall in love with
EVERYBODY should be able to choose who they marry.
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Why should Mormons be persecuted for their beliefs anymore than gays should be persecuted for their beliefs? Live and let live.
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You need to check your facts, which can easily be done at the LA Times. Total donations on both sides of the issue were approx. $70 Million with almost equal amounts for EACH side. So about $35 M for each side with only $10 M on each side coming from out of California.
As for the Mormon church itself, it did not contribute directly, but encouraged its members, who are US citizens just like you, in CA to do so. The Knights of Columbus in CT gave something like $1.2 Million in support of the Proposition, while a man in OH and a man in UT gave over $1M each to oppose Prop 8. The Catholic church was also against Prop 8 and I don't see any protests at a large Catholic church anywhere in the country. Why just the Mormons? How about the Methodists or Seventh Day Adventists?
As for the Mormon church itself, it did not contribute directly, but encouraged its members, who are US citizens just like you, in CA to do so. The Knights of Columbus in CT gave something like $1.2 Million in support of the Proposition, while a man in OH and a man in UT gave over $1M each to oppose Prop 8. The Catholic church was also against Prop 8 and I don't see any protests at a large Catholic church anywhere in the country. Why just the Mormons? How about the Methodists or Seventh Day Adventists?
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How about
We're Here, We're Queer and we're too scared to protest a Black Church even though Blacks voted over 70% in favor of Prop 8 and I just want to attack a religion instead of going into a less desirable neighborhood"
This campaign has backfired and made us look way worse. Not unlike the smashing of the Eucharist in 1984 at St. Patrick's in NYC during a High Mass
You make the straights say "see those gays are crazy-honey sure glad the Mormons did all that work and saved our Marriage--now go fix me dinner..."
We're Here, We're Queer and we're too scared to protest a Black Church even though Blacks voted over 70% in favor of Prop 8 and I just want to attack a religion instead of going into a less desirable neighborhood"
This campaign has backfired and made us look way worse. Not unlike the smashing of the Eucharist in 1984 at St. Patrick's in NYC during a High Mass
You make the straights say "see those gays are crazy-honey sure glad the Mormons did all that work and saved our Marriage--now go fix me dinner..."
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You people need to figure out what you're talking about before you go hating on the Latter Day Saints (Mormons.) Obviously most of you don't know much about Mormonism and what it stands for. I'm not going to discuss religion with you, but outside of that, Mormonism is a healthy way to live. It encourages very healthy and safe living. Leaders of the Mormon church do not encourage certain things you say they hate. That doesn't mean that they hate the people that do those things. Please get your stories straight next time. Thank You.
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