http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/13/gay_logic Comments On: Gay Logic by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:15:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by slarue]]> Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:48:24 -0800 The Stranger Posted by nonplusse]]> Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:16:11 -0800 The Stranger The Castro is still gay mostly because its The Castro... the original motherland for us homos... when I have been there it seems more like a display of gay or a monument to gay rather than a vibrant gay neighborhood.

so, Rainier Valley? taht is the next gayborhood? I thought it was going to be West Seattle?
Posted by Womyn2me]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:12:22 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Devo]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:43:51 -0800 The Stranger
I'd much rather see where we bubble up the next time. Georgetown? South Park? White Center?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:14:40 -0800 The Stranger
Maybe Capitol Hill is losing some of its seedy glamour but to imply that gentrification pushes out homos is a little misguided. The Castro in SF is totally gentrified. Gay-gentrified.

And BTW - if I'm not mistaken -- because I don't spend a ton of time in SF anymore -- there's still a lot of Queer culture/community in the Castro, even though it's gentrified. So I think the whole argument that gentrification kills community or gayness is just so much fairydust. IMHO.
Posted by pffft]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:25:49 -0800 The Stranger
It's a natural thing in cities.

Want to get with the curve? Move to Rainier Valley.
Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:40:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Gitai]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800 The Stranger
It's bittersweet overall -- the loss of queer community is sad but the growth of queer tolerance and integration is what we need if we're ever going to move forward.
Posted by Jigae]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:08:18 -0800 The Stranger
Thirty years ago, Capitol Hill was known for restaurants, apartment houses and furniture stores. All of those things, have a gay element, of course, but are not exclusively gay. The gay bars were all down in Pioneer Square, and had been since the first gay bar opened in Seattle in God only knows what year. That's also where the first gay community center was located. All of that gradually moved up to the hill in the late 70's and early 80's, with no hand wringing and no outrage.

Jesus, people - learn your gay history.
Posted by Cranky old queen]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:52:33 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NaFun]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:05:19 -0800 The Stranger

Posted by inkweary]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:03:53 -0800 The Stranger
And if the queer community can't feel safe walking in the neighborhood they helped create and define, then it's a serious problem.
Posted by michael strangeways]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:01:57 -0800 The Stranger
So I am perfectly fine with the way Cap Hill is today. But then I moved to Wedgewood and spend about a third of my time in Chicago...
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:56:15 -0800 The Stranger Queer Neighborhood??
Where are the borders of this queer neighborhood and why would you want to designate a QN.
Queer friendliness everywhere is the true goal not just a designated area. What next bus tours so people can see the queers in their area.
No one group should be thinking they need a specific area to live in. It just sounds wrong to say you live in the Queer neighborhood.
I am gay and do not live in a queer designated/identified area. I do not think in those terms ever. I do not wake up each day thinking about queerness, being gay, or how my neighborhood is not queer enough to be designated a queer neighborhood.
Saving outreach programs are important but bars, not so much. Bars come and go. Were I live there are less bars now than there were in the late 70's but it is not something I get bent out of shape over that is just progress but there are far more outreach organizations. The problem is they are all mostly centered in queer areas and that is the problem because the majority prefers it that way. Does that mean secretly the majority is saying "stay in your own area"
If there were more outreach services for gay people in other areas and more acceptance then that would be something to be prod of. But designating queers into an area is not a great accomplishment. It is just creating a small area you feel safe in and others feel safe knowing you are there and not in their neighborhood. Yes it is a start but should not be the end. If bars go under then open another, lots of bars go under because of development, they originally opened for the same reason. If a particular bar is worthy of saving for some historical designation then lucky you. But being queer is not something amazingly special to the point of saving compared to any other group. You are not under attack. Things change and it is not always a happy change for a particular group. It does not mean all queer people will dissolve away it just means a shift. Playing victim never gets the results that move you ahead it just gets you a small amount of special treatment to appease you while everything else moves on.
Right now you are treating yourselves as part of the problem not part of the solution.
If a massive amount of queers with lots of money moved into Capitol Hill to live in the new condos there would still be a big change, the bars would go under and new ones would open the development would happen anyway.
Posted by -B-]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:54:19 -0800 The Stranger "Who will compensate property owners who are denied the right to develop their assets?

i feelz bad for them too.

but may i suggest one more thing?
perhaps the poor just need to move to renton or monroe and stop hurting our image. we have it bad enough without the stinky people mucking about.
Posted by regentrifried beans]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:32:20 -0800 The Stranger
Whenever I see an expensive boutique filled with homophobes, I instinctively cross the street nowadays.

I never used to do that before.


Posted by Napoleon XIV]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:29:04 -0800 The Stranger
I thought that the LGBT Center closed because they couldn't pay their rent due to financial mismanagement, bad decisions and a lack of donations and grants. Who's to blame for that?


Are these folks suggesting that Capitol Hill be designated a reservation or protected zone with a moratorium on construction and rent increases?
Will there be gates staffed with radical faeries and trannies mandated (persondated?) to screen visitors? Who will decide which businesses are allowed to open? Who will compensate property owners who are denied the right to develop their assets?
Posted by inkweary]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:22:29 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:11:59 -0800 The Stranger After all, it worked so well the first time....
Posted by when is a ghetto not a ghetto?]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:11:00 -0800 The Stranger
The service industry is going to suffer big time through this economy, but most gay bars are better positioned to survive the downturn.

And, what #1 said.
Posted by Dougsf]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:01:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by w7ngman]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:43:13 -0800 The Stranger Posted by AJ]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:36:28 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Eric Reynolds]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:32:08 -0800 The Stranger no, really 18 will, all will be forgiven, and then some; like for instance he'll then wow you with his taste in superior housewares cause those are the things we're good @, blowjobs and accoutrements.
Posted by a homosexual tycoon of feminine hygiene products]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:04 -0800 The Stranger