http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/05/no_statement_yet_from_hiphop_c Comments On: No Statement Yet from Hiphop Community by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:00:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
As for uplifting, that sure isn't what I'm seeing. I'm seeing nothing but dickhead posturing by tough guys looking for a way to absolve their tough attitudes from leading to gunfire in a club.

And the fact is, it WASN'T a Death Cab show. Why do you think that is? It was a show from a culture that values nothing but money and guns, even if they sometimes toss in some rote "one love" rhetoric to make themselves look like wise men.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:29:02 -0800 The Stranger
would you still be blaming hip hop then?


Posted by b w]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:36:23 -0800 The Stranger I think this shooting was a tragedy for those injured and murdered, and also for the hip-hop community at large. A lot of the comments to these recent posts on the slog have opened my eyes to the racism in Seattle, always hiding under the surface until something happens to "those people".
It's fucked up that people think it's okay that black people are killed, as if they deserve it. Why should SPD worry about a gang threat? Oh because they deserve it?! It makes me sick to read some of this backwards crap.
People need to start looking past their stereotypes of black culture and hip hop culture, and embrace our positive local hip hop scene for all that it is doing, uniting our communities of color and uplifting our youth.
Maybe violence is perpetuated by violent lyrics and artists that glorify that lifestyle, but we can't blanket all hip hop or all brown people as a threat. It's time we treat each other as humans.
Posted by seferiana]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:31:21 -0800 The Stranger
I sympathize with both of your POVs, but in mmalicious' defense it sounds as if he is honestly trying to be proactive security-wise.
Posted by bs2bs]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:49:44 -0800 The Stranger
SPD has done their best to respond to advance warnings from clubs such as yours but the citizens of Seattle do not put police on the streets to augment private industry at the expense of other tax payers.

If you truly feel your club is unable to control your event that is not the city's fault. Your booking agent should be coordinating with Security to screen the events they are booking. Being closed for one night is infinitely cheaper than having a shooting.
Posted by bs2mmalicious]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:40:03 -0800 The Stranger
TRAMA I GOT PUSSY NIGGAZ PUTTIN MONEY ON MY HEAD,GO ON GET CHA REFUND MUTHERFUCKA I AINT DEAD!!!! MY PREYERS GO OUT TO PREZ N 29 E

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus…

Posted by OMG!]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:50:25 -0800 The Stranger
WTF?

What is all this shit supposed to mean:

so i saw this on black senate's myspace:

-------------

ON SATURDAY NIGHT BLACK SENATE WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT CHOP SUEY IN SEATTLE.. THE MEDIA REPORTS THAT A FIGHT BROKE OUT WHICH LEAD TO GUN FIRE...... THIS IS NOT ACCURATE!!! THERE WAS A PLOT TO MURDER ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF BLACK SENATE THAT DIDNT GET CARRRIED OUT. MOST OF THE SHOOTING OCCURRED AT THE REAR ENTRANCE IN WHICH 3 PEOPLE WERE SHOOT. 29-E WAS MURDERED (R.I.P. MY DUDE! YOU WILL BE MISSED DEARLY!!!!!), OUR BELOVED PRESWELL JACKSON WAS STRUCK IN THE CHEST, WE ARE PRAYING HARD THAT HE PULLS THRU THIS. HE IS STILL IN CRITICAL CONDITION AND TRAMA FROM BLACK SENATE WAS STRUCK TWICE BUT IS ALIVE AND WELL. EVEN AFTER BEING SHOT TRAMA AND HIS GROUP DEFENDED THEMSELVES LIKE GENERALS SUPPOSED TOO! THIS SENSELESS ACT OF VIOLENCE WAS STUPID AND VERY UNCALLED FOR. ITS NOT GANSTA TO TAKE AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE. NOR IS IT RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO TAKE SOMEONES LIFE THAT NEVER TOOK A LIFE FROM YOU! ONE PERSON IN CUSTODY THUS FAR BUT THERE ARE TWO MORE SUSPECTS THAT MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR THEIR PART IN THIS TRAGEDY.... TO THOSE WHO SECRETLY (yes we know!) HAD A HAND IN THIS HORRIBLE, STUPID, NOW U KNOCKED FOR LIFE SITUATION, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!

BLACK SENATE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR LOVE AND HEARTS TO THE FALLEN/FALLING SOLDIERS 29-E AND PRESWELL JACKSON......OUR PRAYERS ARE HEAVY FOR THIER SOULS....................LETS MAKE MUSIC NOT WAR

STOP THE FAKE GANSTA SHIT!!!!!!!! THROW YA HANDS UP IF YOU A MAN!!! YOU GET MORE STREET CREDIBILITY FROM LAYING HANDS ON SOMEONE THAN JUST SHOOTING UP A CLUB! THATS JUST DUMB!

this suntzu now... i was wondering how they "defended themselve's like generals supposed 2 do" did i miss somethin or was there a fite after a mad gunman let off & fled the scene? im not tryin 2 clown but im gettin the sence that cats is a lil juiced up on they self's... i also seen this on sohh.com

By TRAMA730 on January 5, 2009 5:10 AM
THIS IS YA BOY TRAMA!!!!! YO KILLA STOP WIT ALL THAT INTERNET THUG SHIT SON IF YOU KNEW WHAT REALLY POPPED OFF IN WHATS CRACKING RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD RESPECT A NIGGA GANSTA................RIP TA 29-E IN PREZ GET WELL SOON SON HOLLA AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Killa & Trama on January 5, 2009 5:41 AM
Hey Trama, You just had a mother fucker run in on a music set, try to fucking kill you. You are fucking up the scene for all us other Mc's who have our shit wound up on the business tip. People dont try to off me at my shows. You're just a weak nigga who can't control his business. looks like someone talk to much. fake ass pussy nigga. now you gonna fight back? Retaliate? Quit comin all hard and shit saying you beat death nigga, YOU KILLED 29-E FAGGOT. Prez and 29 ain't have nothing to do with your DRAMA, HE TOOK YOUR BULLET. now sleep tonight knowin Seattle homies died for you. Put your fucking attitude in your pocket. You can't even rap.


THIS SUNTZU LIKE I SAID IM NOT TRYIN 2 BE DISRESPECTFUL BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS DUDE ALREADY ON SOME 50 CENT SHIT I GOT SHOT IM STIL BREATHIN NIGGAS TRIED 2 MURDER ME ALL THAT stuff when A REAL NIGGA WOULDNT HAVE LET OFF IN A CROWD HE WOULDA WALKED UP AND SHOT U IN YOUR FACE (LIKE THE SHOOTING ON 23RD & CHERRY OUTSIDE THE GARF. COMM CENTER & AT VITOS) I FEEL 4 U TRAMA U GOT SHOT AT OR WHATEVER AND ALL THE VICTIMS THATS BEEN HURT BUT PLZ DONT GLAMOROUS THIS SITUATION ESPECIALLY SEEIN AS YA MANS IS SHOT THE FUCK UP RITE NOW HOW WOULD HE FEEL HEARIN ALL THIS SHIT?


--------------------------------------

Posted by We believe you dumbass hiphop thugs]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:32:04 -0800 The Stranger
Thanks for the comment. It's only the people that are willing to speak out against the worst of the community that are going to get anything done here. Then again, if the venues would actually listen. They do need to fill the bar during the rest of the week :(

And damn, Juggalos are the worst. One of the trashiest, dumbest, most psycho because they haven't got a future outside of flipping burgers music scenes in existence.
Posted by some hope]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:28:58 -0800 The Stranger
Almost the exact same line-up that was at Chop Suey played a concert at El Corazon a few weeks ago. Our club was a sea of red clothing. I was threatened twice by patrons who were going to 'come back with a gun.' The crowd was on the edge of violence even as doors opened. These shows are put on by a giant fat moron named Big Kountry who lets the performers push gang agendas on stage and allows his musicians to incite riots.

Big surprise that the show at Chop Suey was one of his.

Also, my security team has called Seattle Police multiple times with forewarnings of shows that attract a tough crowd- mainly Juggalo and rap shows. Only once has the gang unit shown up. There is no increase of patrol cars past our club or any help at all with the gangs.

And before someone mentions that 'maybe we should stop putting these shows on', i'd like to point out that the small amount of concerts at large venues this winter was crippling for us. Any show is a show that pays the rent.
Posted by mmalicious]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:18:07 -0800 The Stranger
Um, yeah. Violence in Seattle's famously peace'n'luv hip hop community? Nah.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:31:04 -0800 The Stranger
Are you fucking kidding me?

After all that was said and blogged.

The great inspirational braintrust of the hip hop community... famous for their ability to communicate and get a message out....

Goes silent.

That was the result of your important meeting that we were all supposed to go brave the heavy snow and snarled traffic, just so we could "be there" and represent in person, lest we be told in the comments that "You didn't show up at the meeting so you should shut the f up."

Are you fucking kidding me?

Yep that is some real leadership there. Folks here told you what it would take for the mainstream public to believe that you weren't a bunch of disorganized windbags who couldn't represent your local hiphop scene if you tried. Heck instead of a united cohesive statement that you recongized your music, your organizers and you were directly responsible for this type of bullshit, you instead tucked tail realizing none of you were articulate, composed and personally dedicated enough to take some personal responsibility for what happened.

Instead you come on here and whine that "Hey man it wasn't our fault. It was a beef between 2 people and could have happened anywhere."

Bullshit.

As many have pointed out to you here numerous times in the last 2 days, this issue is continually found at venues supporting your hiphop culture.

Your lack of action will ultimately be Seattle's hip hop downfall.

Good Riddance to bad rubbish.

Please leave the state and go find some other place that will put up with your juvenile lifestyle.
Posted by Don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:14:18 -0800 The Stranger Posted by homey]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:57:12 -0800 The Stranger
Anyone that actually would care enough to participate would probably not be the type to swagger and grab their nuts, threaten other idiots, and have a following that's surprised when people call their bluff.
Posted by a crew that can think]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:49:17 -0800 The Stranger Posted by duh]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:45:38 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Billy the Fridge]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:50:43 -0800 The Stranger
I thought we weren't allowed to draw lines of causation and relation between hiphop the music and hiphop the culture. Lest we all be reactionary fools.
Posted by seattle98104]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:27:14 -0800 The Stranger Others people suggested creating community safety standards and identifying safe shows with some sort of seal on the poster. “Promoters need to be held accountable to protect these hiphop goers,” says Sonny Bonoho.
So what they're saying is, there is a way to objectively tell 'safe' shows from 'unsafe' shows? Please, don't keep this wisdom a secret. Share it with the people.
Posted by Greg]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:10:25 -0800 The Stranger http://www.206proof.com/forum/comments.p…

Wow, these rappers were retarded.
Posted by "not a hug hopper"]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:36:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by elenchos]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:33:10 -0800 The Stranger
Amercian Gangsters adopted hip hop in the late 80s but before that it was Oldies, Soul and RnB..

Mexican Gangsters in Sinaloa and Durango listen to Narco Corridos and Duranguense.

1%ers love Willy Nelson

So now you've just whittled your concern down to "This music is bad because Gangsters listen to it."

Guess what. They'll listen to something else.

You're totally running on fumes with this campaign of yours at this point, Gums.

It's apparent to me that you just find the music offensive and slog is your griefing apparatus.

If it makes you feel better, I was a tough guy once. You know what motivated it? Desperation and cowardice. I discovered Gangster rap well into my tough guy phase. Before that I was all about The Go Gos. Hairnet and Pendleton, out back in the '69 Impala, smoking sherm, cleaning my cuete to Belinda, Gina, Jane, Kathy and Charlotte. True story.


Posted by Avenero]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:20:39 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:18:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by my bowtie is hella gangster]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:11:38 -0800 The Stranger Posted by DOUG.]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:24 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ebonics]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:53:14 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mack Long]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:51:08 -0800 The Stranger