http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/02/rick_warren_abused_miserabl Comments On: Rick Warren: Abused, "Miserable" Women Have "No Right" to Divorce by Erica C. Barnett en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:00:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
And by the way, why is it OK to be intolerant of Christian values but not of homosexual values? Why must Christians give up their truth just because 5-7% of the population want to shout them down? (yes - that's the correct number -affirmed by virtualy every secular study but Kinsey's who used prisoners to get to his 10% number)

If you're going to take time to post here, try coming up with a couple of thoughts that aren't just a display of your ignorance or a regurgitation of baseless comments and tired old slogans you heard someone else say.
Posted by bemused]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:45:00 -0800 The Stranger
There is always a way

If he is abusing her she can hire a hooker to cheat with him. Think about it... if a man is beating his wife, what are the odds he is cheating as well?
Posted by Myths]]> Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:13:45 -0800 The Stranger Posted by what god?]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:30:05 -0800 The Stranger 'doing whatever you choose to do'?
I see.
Posted by thanks]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:06:01 -0800 The Stranger
And Anne Heche is what is called bisexual. That is, she appears to be attracted to both men and women. I know that's a bit advanced for you to grasp, but please at least pretend to be a resident of the 21st century.

BTB, I generally suspect the people who so loudly proclaim homosexuality to be a 'choice' of being closeted bisexual folk. Because that really is the only charitable interpretation of their raving.
Posted by death to all fanatics]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:50:19 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Rob]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:27:22 -0800 The Stranger
Lets say we agree to disagree. You're welcome to your opinion, it's a free country.

In the future you may not want to make presumptions about a person, without knowing them.

Best wishes.
Posted by kim]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:11:48 -0800 The Stranger



Sounds delicious! Is the koolaid itself the flavor of the orthodox homosexuals, or is it regular, say, grape koolaid that is served by the homosexuals?



These are important questions.
Posted by Roxie]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:41:17 -0800 The Stranger yes, good old Jim

"Even when modern medical science supports the truth that orientation is involuntary. Our sexual orientation is what we are given, a long with our heigth and eye color. We have no control, can any of us actually say we remember making the choice? I doubt it, that's why ex-gay therapy, and prayer interventions do not work. We can't fight who God made us to be."

There is so much hooey packed in here one doesn't know where to begin:

"modern medical science" supports nothing of the kind- the best you will find are tainted studies by biased 'researchers' out to support their agenda.

God makes people Gay? please, don't even go there.

ex-gay therapy etc- Is Anne Heche gay? Did God forget to tell her what she was? Could God not make up his mind when he made people 'bi'? What a joker he must be!
In fact people choose to or not to engage in homosexual behavior at will.

God gives us free agency to choose what we will do and will be.
Take responsibility for the life he gives you.

You have drunk deeply from the orthodox homosexual koolaid. 'Don't think or question for yourself-- after all- "God made me this way!"'
Throw in a few mangled scriptural references and you've invented your own Gay Religion.

Make a calf of gold and bow to it? Never!
Make a religion of the philosophy of homosexual apologist, throw in a few scriptures and worship it?
Sure!

Either way you're worshipping something you made.
Posted by please]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:13:29 -0800 The Stranger
I've read most of those scriptures, but not looked at them in this light. There's my homework for tonight then. :)

After years of debating back and forth with my parents, I got them to admit that if a sincere gay christian wanted to attend their church with his partner, they would let them attend and be members. Mom and Dad's only caveat was that if the gay couple "became a stumbling block" for someone else in the church, the gay couple would be asked to leave.

Not fair, no, but it's miles ahead of where many other evangelicals are at.
Posted by Pastor's Son]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:03:02 -0800 The Stranger
I intended my message 68 for Pastor's Kid at 63. We both seem driven to engage evangelical Christians on their theology. Sorry if it was to sickly sweet, or if you thought I was kissing his ass. It wasn't my intention. It's a biblical thing to use scripture when engaging with Christians.

-kim

PS I don't think I fully understand hogging all the koolaid. Is that some reference to Jim Jones?
Posted by kim]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:08:08 -0800 The Stranger
Thank you. I am on his side.

-kim
Posted by kim]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:00:41 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Bishop Andrei]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:06:14 -0800 The Stranger Posted by DavidG]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:22:34 -0800 The Stranger
Nope, I can't see your eyes rolling, but I'll be sure to save you some koolaid. In fact you can have my share, I can't stand the crap.
Posted by kim]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:56:16 -0800 The Stranger kim,
don't be a pig;
leave some of the koolaid for everyone else.
Posted by can you see our eyes rolling?]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:11:45 -0800 The Stranger
Thanks so much for your comment. I love your heart for questioning.

I wonder where grace is in their discussions, sincerely wanting to be better doesn't mean we live a sinless life. We are forever struggling in sanctification. At least thats what the Bible says in 1 John 1:8, not to mention Romans chapters 7 and 8, and of course Matthew chapter 5. We don't have to be perfect, because God is perfect, God values the sincerity of our heart towards him (Micah 6:8, Matthew 19: 16-19, Mark 12:29-31, Luke 10:27, and John 13:34).

I think the real issue is the Christian community (as a whole) can not fathom that sexual orientation is not a preference choice. Even when modern medical science supports the truth that orientation is involuntary. Our sexual orientation is what we are given, a long with our heigth and eye color. We have no control, can any of us actually say we remember making the choice? I doubt it, that's why ex-gay therapy, and prayer interventions do not work. We can't fight who God made us to be. And it goes against his very nature to hate what he forms (Psalm 139, John 3:16-21).

Bless you.
Posted by kim]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:55:02 -0800 The Stranger
And fewer rewards for people who kill themselves? That's antithetical to the entire notion of grace.

Posted by Tekmessa]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:59:18 -0800 The Stranger http://www.testimoanials.com/blog/blog1.…">to become indignant about him. It's not so much a boast as a confession. I wonder how many share my attitude.

Posted by Burr Deming]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:03:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Pastor's Son]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:58:25 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Tim1965]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:06:20 -0800 The Stranger
Sorry I didn't get to reply to this yesterday, busy afternoon...

Anyhoo, I have had this discussion out with my dad and multiple other pastors. We start in a round about way, of course, much like the poster I replied to did. "Is there any sin that will keep a Christian out of Heaven?"

Their answer, almost every single time, is "No, except to renounce God, the Spirit, Jesus, and his salvation." At which point, I follow it up with questions about suicide, murder, etc. All met with "No, if that person had a sincere connection with Christ, they will be in Heaven." That leads to questions about if a person continually sins, say they're a habitual liar, but had a sincere conversion years ago... despite their continued sinning, will they be in Heaven? The answer is always "yes, if they really did convert they will be in Heaven."

That's when I hit them with the gay Christian. Most of the pastors I've spoken to immediately say that Homosexuality is a sin and that lifestyle will only lead a person to hell. I ask what if that person had a sincere connection with Christ? At this point, most of the pastors I've spoken with have said they doubt someone living in a continual sexual sin could have had a sincere connection... I press and say hypothetically, if they did, would they be in Heaven when they died?

After laying all that groundwork with the rest of the discussion, they can't say "no, they'll be in hell" so they again say they don't think that it would ever happen, but if a gay person did sincerely convert they would be in Heaven after they died, whether or not they continued to practice homosexuality.

At that point, they usually launch into a bit about how true conversion, true connections with Christ, always yield a desire to be a better person, to stop sinning and to reach out to God... so, a gay person who had a true conversion wouldn't want to keep being gay. Here, the pastors and I begin debating whether or not homosexuality is a sin, if it is a sin how bad a sin it is, and whether or not Christians have interpreted those scriptures correctly.

So, in short, what I said wasn't bullshite. It was a short answer to the question. Yes, evangelicals say that sincere gay christians will be in heaven. They doubt such gay christians exist, but if they do, they'll be there, per every evangelical pastor I've ever sat down with.
Posted by Pastor's Son]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:46:28 -0800 The Stranger
I had NO IDEA that you could kill yourself and STILL GO TO HEAVEN, and long as you were saved by Jeez beforehand.

Do you know what this means?

This means that Rick Warren can KILL HIMSELF BEFORE INAUGURATION DAY with no negative consequences for his soul!

Why does he go on? I've heard how he struggles with Internet pornography.

But, latest word was that he had CONQUERED his disgusting habit through the aid of, not Jesus, but his wife and her initiative in putting PORN BLOCKERS on their computer.

(Even though that set him right with Christ, for now at least, he should still give her a few floggings with the rod just to teach her that the HUSBAND IS BOSS!)

Anyway, now that he is off the electro-smut due to his wife's un-ladylike decisivenesss, he should TOTALLY KILL HIMSELF NOW before he relapses into pornographic sin again...he is the husband, afterall. If he tells his wife to take the smut blockers off, she has to take them off or get a lashing!
Posted by Glossy]]> Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:11:49 -0800 The Stranger
The unforgivable sin is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, Mark 3:29, and Luke 12:10.

People should read the Bible themselves. History shows the missuse of scripture as a reason to justify cruelty and mistreatment. You have to keep scripture in context or it looses its purpose. Personaly, I think it is being missused in regard to God's feelings about our sexuality. I think it is fearfull humans who believe homosexuality to be a sin, because they allow others to fill their minds with agenda selected scripture. I think God gives us our sexuality, and he is pleased with it. Thus, I think Warren is wrong, homosexuality is not a sin. He just wants to believe it is, because to consider it isn't would be a slap to his pride. Plus, going against the grain would have negative ramifications to his aspirations.
Posted by kim]]> Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:19:12 -0800 The Stranger
When Warren delivers his invocation (probably taking no more than two minutes), turn about and face the phallic Washington Monument for the time it takes him to mouth heart-warming, fallacious platitudes 'bout how God's in his heav'n, all's right with the world and all His children got Jeebus....

If this happens, I hope The Stranger gets credit for fomenting this civil albeit well-considered discourtesy...
Posted by Rhett Oracle]]> Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:46:55 -0800 The Stranger