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      <![CDATA[According to the story, the artwork was taken down because of a "administration miscommunication." If this is true and the work was quickly placed back up again censorship never took place. Mistakes happen, so don't get frustrated and see things that aren't really  there. Isn't that the point of your artwork anyways?
        
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      <![CDATA[@45<br />
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Thanks for sharing that. I think this project was fantastic; it has achieved what it set out to achieve. Not only did it get people talking at BYU about this issue it has, ultimately, shown that there is support, that not everyone will turn on you. I'm glad you have come to accept who you are and I hope you can also love who you are.<br />
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I'm not gay but several of my friends are and my partner is bi. This is not simply about gay people, it is about all people.
        
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      <![CDATA[That's right, because art, once censored, is all gone.  The artist never tells anybody, and nobody wants to find out what was so powerful and authority-threatening that it needed to be censored.  That's totally how art works.
        
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      <![CDATA[Let me get this straight, he attends an insanely conservative, mormon university and he is surprised to receive homophobic treatment???  Sorry, but you make your bed, you lie in it.  Wake up and move.  Leave BYU to the crazies.
        
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      <![CDATA[By the way, BYU put the photos back up. Here's a story about it: <a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705269360,00.html">http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,514&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Romney is already begun swooning the conservative right and plans Mormon and Christian alliance for the next election cycle. It is imperative that friends and family of gays and the gay community as a whole be prepared politically for the assault that in effect with Prop 8, has already begun.<br />
Continued deligence and through the internet their success will prove to be what it is; bigotry, intolerance and hateful.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yet another reason i am thankful to have moved to NC from Utah (Motto: Our religion is better than yours).
        
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      <![CDATA[Homosexuals are gay. <br />
 Bisexuals are bi.<br />
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 Straights are square.
        
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<a href="http://jmichaelwiltbank.blogspot.com/2008/11/portraits-7-8.html">http://jmichaelwiltbank.blogspot.com/200&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh no. When this kind of stuff happens, I always worry about things like, being "admitted" into an ex-gay camp against your will.
        
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      <![CDATA[Unfortunately he took down the post, as well as almost everything else on his blog.
        
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      <![CDATA[#32...what is truly pathetic is your acceptance of the rules - some rules are just meant to be broken.<br />
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Further, it appears that the exhibit didn't violate the rules as much as the administrations sensibilities rather than adhering to the rules.<br />
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P.S. if you are so desperate for someone to look at you, perhaps you should try looking in a mirror first rather than denigrating others.  And consider whiping the smug look of self-righteousness of your face as well it isn't flattering at all.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think slog may have broken this boy's servers.
        
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      <![CDATA[I am one of the eight BYU students that was photographed for this project. I'd love to talk to Dan Savage and give my story, but I could be kicked out of BYU for "advocating" homosexuality.  As a senior, it would be bad to be kicked out and it makes little sense to transfer.<br />
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Some have asked why a gay man would attend BYU in the first place since it is one of the top 10 most discriminatory schools towards gays according to the Princeton review.  I went to BYU because I didn't want to be gay and I thought BYU could make me straight.<br />
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After going through BYU's "gender affirmative therapy" and other experiences (like an LDS mission) I found that I was still gay. I realized that it wasn't going away, and after a lot of soul searching, I came to accept my sexual orientation for what it was.<br />
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My life before this acceptance was hell.  I participated in Michael's photography project because I thought his project could reach out to others who were struggling to accept their orientation.  I felt it sent the message that A. It's ok to acknowledge/accept the fact that you are gay and B. There are people at BYU who will support you.  My participation in the project was safe because school policy states, "One's stated same-gender attraction is not an Honor Code issue."<br />
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For the record, this project had the complete support of BYU's art department.  Several BYU faculty members fought to keep the show up, and expressed disappointment when the administration took it down.  I am proud to have participated in the project and hope that others at BYU struggling to accept themselves can find the peace that I found.
        
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      <![CDATA[I attended high school across the street from BYU and used to skip classes to check out shows in the galleries on campus.  I remember when a VERY tame exhibit about rape was censored back in the 90s.  I think it was called the Clothesline Project or something...  <br />
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Mormons love any damn excuse to fee righteous, and they love it even more if they can get a little persecution out of the deal.  This latest act of censorship was just more cream in their pie.<br />
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And the Purple Turtle was good, but could anything beat the mushy spaghetti from the Bamboo Hut? Fuck no!
        
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      <![CDATA[I live in Utah (with my openly gay brother and his partner) and many of our friends go to BYU. I've been on campus for church activities (since technically, I'm baptized in the LDS religion, though I've been inactive for the past 5 years and certainly not getting back into it any time soon), and I'm not that surprised that it's been censored out. BYU's obviously a private university and has the rights to censor and prohibit things on campus. But I'm really glad and proud that this artist entered this piece in the show! I've only met one gay guy that attends BYU (who was closeted from his family and many of his friends), so definitely, props to these people who are putting themselves out there!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[If they're expelled, they should try Westminister down the road. My friend, the 5' dancing gay cowboy with a snap-up (instead of button-up) shirt found a very supportive environment there.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2 You have an awfully big mouth considering you're such a pathetic coward! GET A LIFE, ASSHOLE!
        
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      <![CDATA[@23. The honor code prohibits homosexual activity, but not identifying as a homosexual. This was clarified last year. This exhibit did not encourage homosexual activity, but simply tried to give notice to the community that there are homosexual students attending BYU, and that there is no real way to identify them.<br />
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see: <a href="http://honorcode.byu.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3578&Itemid=4634">http://honorcode.byu.edu/index.php?optio&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@ no.2<br />
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You just hate everyone. Excluding yourself, of course. <br />
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      <![CDATA[this has more to do with just the mormon church people everywhere judge and this just makes you think.  Look at #13 it makes you wonder and then who knows, and DOES IT EVEN MATTER?  Discrimination is everywhere and just because you don't know for certain which one is gay means what?
        
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      <![CDATA[Getting harder and harder to argue that there's just not one to many "m's" in Mormon.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[James]]></author>
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exactly, we can hope that they will get away from that cult. Maybe the jolt will be enough to clear out years of brainwashing
        
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