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      <![CDATA[This totally reminds me of the movie "The Business of Being Born." That is all.
        
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      <![CDATA[Considering that nothing else seems to motivate you Americans other than your permanent inferiority complex, allow me to make the case for universalized health care in terms you can understand:<br />
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When we read stories like this one, we laugh at you and thank god we're not American.<br />
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HA HA HA!  Enjoy your mercenary, for-profit healthcare system!  Enjoy bankruptcy due to a car accident!  Enjoy a long, painful diminishing unto death because you can't afford decent palliative care!  Enjoy your insurance companies retroactively cancelling your insurance after cancer treatment because there was a typo on your application!<br />
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HA HA HA!  You made your bed, and now you have to lie in it, America.  And we're going to keep laughing at you, harder and harder--tears welling in our eyes as we clutch our aching ribs, as we watch you destroy yourselves as hard as you possibly can.  You are the laughing stock of the world, and you're the only ones who don't understand this.
        
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      <![CDATA[85 - Let's see if  can get your feeble mind wrapped around this concept: <br />
1. Woman has pregnancy, a WANTED pregnancy. 2. Fetus develops abnormally, has defect that will eventually be fatal to fetus. 3. If pregnancy progresses with deteriorating fetus, damage to uterus will occur. Health of fetus would continue to decline, would no longer has heartbeat, procedure to remove fetus (by this time, very likely a stillbirth) damages uterus, thus no more pregnancies.<br />
By terminating the pregnancy, I was bringing an early and merciful end to the inevitable. The fetus was not going to live, and the pregnancy ended before the fetus could become more developed.<br />
See, in your feeble mind, if I'd had a painful, horrible loss of that pregnancy at a later stage, possibly losing my chance to have another pregnancy - or possibly losing my life - you'd say that's God's will. People like you see life in absolutist black and white terms. You'll say abortion is killing, no matter what the circumstances. I'll say to you that you have NO CLUE what a woman goes through when there is a need to end a pregnancy.<br />
You mock me for having no regrets. I regret that the random fate of life brought such a difficult pregnancy into my life. But when I see my beautiful child who brings joy into this world every day - who may not have been here had my previous pregnancy continued - then I say, no I have no regret for my choice. Perhaps I'm wasting my time trying to tell you, because you just don't get it, and likely never will.
        
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      <![CDATA["Why don't you just take the money out of your paycheck and buy your healthcare, Mr Bigspender? Because you expect someone elses taxes to pay most of the cost of your healthcare."<br />
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The modern health care system, including me buying my own health insurance, DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. Why the fuck am I being accused of wanting people to support me? Why doesn't this work in reverse? Since I am the model of health and have never used health care in my adult life, I ***expect to be supporting*** other people with my taxes, and I don't mind. <br />
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Here's a quote: "Who agreed that conservatives should defend the dysfunctional American health care system from all criticism? Who volunteered to take the bullet for every crummy HMO and overpriced surgeon in the country? Who decided that it was okay with us for tens of millions of Americans to lack health care coverage?"<br />
--David Frum, Republican speechwriter<br />
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You can blast the idea of universal health care all you want, but is there really an argument to be made in support of the system we have? What's your fucking solution?
        
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      <![CDATA[Madashell's Choice<br />
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kill a kid<br />
so you can have a kid<br />
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don't look back<br />
no regrets
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow, looks like this thread got polluted by anti-choice trolls. Incidentally, I've had an abortion, with NO REGRETS. My son would not be here as I would have lost my uterus from a previous, very troubled pregnancy. Suck it, you self-righteous assholes!
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh no, I stepped on a bug.  I've committed murder!
        
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      <![CDATA[@80<br />
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      <![CDATA[@79<br />
Don't forget Matthew Shephard.<br />
Call it a fag, or call it a zygote; it makes it sting a little less when you kill it.
        
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      <![CDATA[@79: Now look up "Godwin's Law."<br />
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Moron.
        
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      <![CDATA[eases the conscious to dehumanize before the slaughter.<br />
Nazi germany, Rwanda, or the abortionist lair; all the same
        
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      <![CDATA[@77: Look up the word "baby."  Now look up the word "zygote."  <br />
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      <![CDATA[Madashell,<br />
You are indeed wise to be wary when selecting an abortionist to<br />
KILL YOUR BABY.<br />
One must guard against the possibility of hiring a doctor with poor spelling skills or a pissy attitude as those might impair his/her ability to<br />
KILL YOUR BABY.<br />
Please do be vigilant, diligent and cautious when selecting a doctor to<br />
KILL YOUR BABY.
        
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      <![CDATA[@72<br />
You are so generous, FREELOADER.<br />
You will lower your paycheck for taxes to pay your health care? Who are you kidding. Why don't you just take the money out of your paycheck and buy your healthcare, Mr Bigspender? Because you expect someone elses taxes to pay most of the cost of your healthcare.<br />
Here is a counter-offer.<br />
Keep your paycheck.<br />
Keep your hands off my paycheck.<br />
Buy your own healthcare.
        
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      <![CDATA[73<br />
Congratulations on the vagina!<br />
Should come in handy with your DICKHEAD.
        
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      <![CDATA[@71 no matter what state your in, I'm guessing insurance companies take a dim view of pregnant woman getting health insurance.
        
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      <![CDATA[45 - I sure as hell hope I don't have you as my doc, should I need an abortion. Not only are you a crappy speller with a pissy attitude, you make assumptions about one's gender. Congratulations - you are the first person who has ever called me a 'dickhead' and 'sir'. Don't know if you'd recognize them if they were in your face, but I have a vagina, uterus, and ovaries. What a douche!<br />
The docs I have worked with have rather high IQs. Judging by your posts, yours is lacking. For the welfare of patients everywhere, I hope that you are not a doctor.<br />
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As for anyone else who spouts the "people should be responsible for their own health, eat well, exercise, blah, blah, blah...": Yes we all should take good care of ourselves, but that does not exclude us from needing healthcare. We all eventually die, getting sick along the way if some tragic accident doesn't get us first. I've seen plenty of vibrant, healthy people have their lives turned upside down by cancer, brain tumors, infections, etc, by NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. The problem is that insurance has always been the improper model for financing healthcare. Single payer, as utilized by the more evolved countries on theis planet, is the way to go.
        
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      <![CDATA["think someone ELSE should be responsible for their care; they don't really care who- govt, employer, insurance- just as long as they don't have to pay for their own healthcare. "<br />
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No, I think I should pay for it. Through my taxes. I am willing to lower my paycheck -- and believe me, if you saw my paycheck, you'd recognize that that's a big deal -- in order to have universal health care.  I don't see how people on your side of the argument can so often accuse the other side of being whiners -- you guys are the ones bitching about losing money. I'm willing to pay taxes for roads, education, schools, and a robust national defense system, and I definitely don't believe I have a "right" to all that shit. I hate that kind of talk. It's not something that I have a right to. It's just a good fucking idea.
        
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote>However, that's raw costs (no state aid, research etc). I bet she could find a cheaper plan, but $325 isn't $12,000!</blockquote><br />
I guess you missed the part where she doesn't live in Washington. We are fortunate to have guaranteed access to individual insurance at reasonable rates, but in many states, you are at the mercy of the insurance companies, who tend to reject or severely limit coverage for people who aren't 100% healthy.<br />
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Ohio has some of the most bizarre regulations on individual health insurance of any state. A very limited form of guaranteed access is theoretically available for purchase there, on only <i>one month per year.</i> I swear I am not making this up: there is literally only one month in every year when you can go to a specific insurance provider and demand a reasonably priced (but restriced) policy, regardless of your health status. Now, different HMOs have their open enrollment at different times, but not all HMOs operate in every county. On top of that, the state can grant a waiver to allow HMOs to close enrollment, and there's always a 3 month waiting period for coverage to begin. Good luck!
        
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      <![CDATA[coupling medical insurance with your employer is a bad idea that most people practice. i own medical insurance purchased on the open market. fire me all you want.
        
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      <![CDATA[68<br />
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wow- Canada sounds a lot like Iowa
        
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      <![CDATA[Perhaps you missed my comment about my healthy baby.  Nurses said I was an example of excellent pre-natal care. Not all preterm births are crack babys.  I am a working, taxpaying, drug free citizen, and I'm happy to pay taxes that go to providing health care to all my fellow Canadians.  You're just pissed because our system works.<br />
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And for the record, my father never smoked a day in his life.  That's why heath care is so important.  Mostly cancer happens to good people who never did a thing to deserve it.
        
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      <![CDATA[@64<br />
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