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      <![CDATA["puh-leeze! the bible is the fox news broadcast from 2000 years ago and paul is that era's bill o'reilly."<br />
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that's perfect!  yes, yes, yes, pope-mobile.  i read the fucking thing (ok, i skimmed over a pew parts), and it struck me as wildly funny, like a series of python sketches.  the product of brutal men with sun-baked brains trying to make sense of the world a long time ago.  what's the point of trying to apply any of it to your life?  it's not a relevant document anymore, folks.  move on.
        
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      <![CDATA[@40, In the Jewish world it was much more of a behavior issue. People were not supposed to, for whatever reason, to fuck the same sex. Sure the powerful ignored that, they always do, and I am sure people snuck around as well, but thats not the point.<br />
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I am also not sure you've even read the story. Job protected the angles, and so was saved, but that was not why the town was destroyed. Its a story, like most of the bible, to threaten people who don't follow the rules. <br />
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They get assaulted all the time.  The thing that keeps them going is the money they win from the lawsuits.  Without that, they would have disappeared long ago.
        
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      <![CDATA[why hasn't anyone just silenced these assholes? seriously, you've got at LEAST 70 people planning to do what, exactly? wave signs at them? yell at them? call them names?<br />
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      <![CDATA[puh-leeze! the bible is the fox news broadcast from 2000 years ago and paul is that era's bill o'reilly. just like today, when the right ing nutjobs couldn't make their case on the facts they just made stuff up. and like the christianamentalists wish they could still get away with doing today (and the islamamentalists do get away with today) they went around killing everybody who didn't agree with them and then made up whatever story they wanted to use to justify it. before you go believing what that rag the bible says i'd go ask a canaanite what their culture was really like.
        
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1) I meant to call you an asshole. <br />
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2) The reason I think you are an asshole is because of the way you treated fnarf.  He offered a thoughtful comment to the issue, though you wildly misinterpreted it, and you disagreed with, which is fine.  But your obvious venom towards him, and by your choice of words, obviously all heterosexuals is as repugnant as the Westboro "so-called" church.  You are free to insult fnarf or me or whoever you want.  But know this, First, fnarf is a "friend of Slog," one of Slogs first and finest commenters (who I often disagree with) and second, that you, sir, are an asshole.  Your mother should be proud.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@ 12 and 28<br />
Primitive cultures fashion idols of stone or metal then ascribe godhood to them and bow themselves before them.<br />
Doesn't seem too enlightened to worship what you made with your own hands.<br />
Modern man fashions philosophies of their ideas then throw in a few scriptures to make it look respectable. They caucus and politic to have church doctrine changed to conform to their world view. Don't like what the Church teaches? Find one that makes you comfortable. Or start your own.<br />
Modern man uses ideas and words instead of stone or metal but just as surely fashions something himself then prostrates himself before it.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@25<br />
The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was rampant institutionalized homosexuality and immorality (recall it was impossible to find even 10 inhabitants who were not guilty). They were not burned from the face of the earth for being inhospitable.moron.<br />
Likewise the inhabitants of Caanan at the time of Joshua were so completely infested by sexual immorality and perversion (that extended to children and animals and was institutionalized in the religious worship) that every living thing was to be utterly destroyed.<br />
It seems harsh to our sensibilities but a surgeon who left behind cancer cells would be negligent and doom his patient; when a society is infested totally by moral corruption radical cures are indicated.<br />
A society that seeks to grant 'normal' status to what is patently not so, that  indoctrinates young elementary school children that perversion is normal, that turns children and infants over to be  raised in households where the abnormal will be presented as normal is reaching a point where it's iniquity is ripe and full.
        
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      <![CDATA[@34: Given that in the ancient world there was no real concept of fixed sexual orientation and sexual ethics depended largely on your role and status, I agree that it's fairly fruitless to try to derive rules of sexual morality from this source.  But I don't agree with your assertions about hospitality and rape. The obligation to protect guests under your roof was central to the hospitality code and thus family honor in those days. To turn the guests over to a mob who meant them ill would have been deeply shameful. How is that a modern interpretation? Sure, the hideous fate in this case was being ass-raped -- considered to rob the victims of their masculinity, apart from other trauma. But can we really just ignore the main themes of betrayal and mob violence and say "oh, it's just about condemning gay sex"?
        
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      <![CDATA[# Congratulations.  You are as big an ass as Phelps, just gayer.
        
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      <![CDATA[#34.. so where's the cutoff point between old morality and the new ?<br />
 judeo christianity might be slow but it progresses..which is why christian men don't have to become circumsized in order to conform to the faith.. which is why we don't have slaves or polygamy.. which is why we don't sacrifice lambs in the public square
        
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      <![CDATA[Any theological discussions about the proper Biblical interpretations of the writings of Paul or what-have-you are sort of moot with regards to the Westboro Baptist clan, on account of they don't give a good goddamn about any interpretation of the Bible that doesn't come straight from the mouth of Papa Fred himself, and he's obviously got a psychotic fixation on gays in general and buttsex in particular.  <br />
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That said, @34, I gotta ask: Are you actually trying to talk a progressive Christian who believes God is cool with the homos OUT of believing that?  What's your problem?  If religious people wanna try to bring their faiths along into the twenty-first century, I say let 'em -- it's not like a non-believer has anything to gain by insisting on strict scriptural interpretations anyway.  I don't have to believe what they believe, but I'd rather have them on my side.
        
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      <![CDATA[@12 and 25, That's a very modern interpretation of those passages. I have read all those stories and passages in various translations and looked into the original words and they just don't say what you say they say. Homosexuality has been rather verboten in the judeo-christian world for a long ass time. <br />
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The whole hospitality issue in regards to Sodom and Gomorrah also does not work. You could say it was about rape, but that's even a stretch. What is more likely? That the Jewish people like many undeveloped cultures thought gays were icky, or that they were one of the most progressive societies that has ever existed?<br />
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The real truth is that the Bible is simply wrong. Like all holy books its chock full of shit that was considered true by random primitive peoples. Just like when one reads Aristotle one has to accept that his grasp of science was a bit off. <br />
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      <![CDATA[#30 - nice thought, but, I like slugs, esp the giant greenish ones<br />
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you know the tribes used to eat them
        
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      <![CDATA[#21<br />
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god, it is a good thing you were NEVER involved in Act Up<br />
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straight men protecting Phelps and all from god old robust insults ... oh sure, fnarf, we should just get out our tutus and hair ribbons and dance and sing.... like good little pansies... you don't get it ... I have been to five or six anti Phelps rallies and no, honey, the faire boys did not dress up....<br />
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and yes, they join all the other protesters is a good old red bloodied robust  American anti hate rally<br />
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Shouting motherfucker with truck drivers, mechanics, white and blue collar, and bikers ....well, it feels damn good and very OK to me<br />
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you want to dance and prance, go to it, to each his own
        
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      <![CDATA[Those Westboro folks will melt if you throw salt on them.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maybe if the school took all the homosexual references out of <i>The Laramie Project</i> like that high school had to do with <i>Rent</i> then maybe the Westboro folks/dicks would go away.
        
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