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      <![CDATA[free internet, sure would be nice, but is it smart? I don't think it is. If you think about it, the internet is a sort of business. It fuels so many other forms of business that would lose effectiveness should the internet be offered free. Most directly affected, in my opinion, are phones and other telecommunication services like it. the value of these services would decrease, thus losing value, hurting the entire business cycle that is fueled by the internet. <br />
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There are ways to make internet access more affordable and easier to aqcuire. In portland, for example, there is a new internet technology that gives consumers access throughout the city through one routing device (<a href="http://www.clear.com/?utm_source=bc">www.clear.com/?utm_source=bc</a>). Something like this would make internet more convenient, which I think should be the main goal for people like Obama and those in the FCC.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@34:  Yes.  That is porn.
        
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      <![CDATA[I thought the internet was created for porn.<br />
Does <a href="http://cam4.com/">cam4.com</a> count as porn?
        
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      <![CDATA[That's a great idea, Paul...then they can get to work cleaning all those nasty, dirty books out of libraries and bookstores!
        
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      <![CDATA[Regulating the internet is quick and easy!
        
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      <![CDATA[If the Internet has no porn, how is it still the Internet?
        
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      <![CDATA[What indeed is porn? In desperation, I have whacked it to an episode of Charmed (think lesbian sorority house), as well as a Target flyer when lingerie was on sale.
        
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      <![CDATA[This is a horrible idea. Just another way that the internet could get turned into TV.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm disappointed in you, Paul. That you couldn't see though this ploy is pathetic.<br />
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As some commenters have already stated, the poor and homeless can't afford computers, so free internet does them no good. Those who can afford a personal computer can surely afford faster and more reliable internet than this service could provide, so it does them no good.<br />
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So, in a time when the federal government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars trying to bailout our failing financial sector, the FCC wants to spend hundreds of billions more to provide a shitty internet service NO ONE WILL USE. All just to stamp out SECKS on the internet. SECKS! Dirty SECKS!<br />
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Think about that. The FCC is willing to drive our country into bankruptcy just to get rid of internet porn.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Wireless internet is not infrastructure.  Unless you are going to hand out the computers, it is basically like building a bunch of water mains without requiring residential buildings to have plumbing.<br />
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Porn is just another banner under which to commit heinous crimes against our civil liberties, like "Terrorism" and "Drugs".<br />
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This is another frankly brilliant move by the far-right-wing Republicans, co-opting a half-baked progressive concept in order to foist their authoritarian values onto all of us.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think that an important way to approach this problem is to consider that internet is just another infrastructure that a community, town, city, state, or country can have, and for that matter, have to the benefit of those living there.  Perhaps, with the legal headache of 'porn' out of the way it could actually put in practice.  Such would eventually benefit everyone, especially if whoever gets the porn on/off switch doesn't have a lifetime term.  Furthermore, I don't think this plan is as elitist as has been suggested, this will be to the better of poor folk.  Build it and they will come!
        
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      <![CDATA[While it is at first tempting to endorse the idea of free wi-fi as a boon to poor people, I doubt all that many poor people would be able to use it. If you can't afford even cheap dial-up connection, my guess is that you probably can't afford a wi-fi capable computer either. Mostly, this service would be used by road warriors and travelers with laptops, not the poor people it would be intended to help. <br />
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If you really want to help poor people get access to the internets, throw more money at free access in libraries.<br />
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Oh, and fuck the whole censorship thing. Completely lame, unenforceable, and unworkable.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Will in Seattle]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Meanwhile, while the Red Bushies keep pushing their Big Government Big Brother ideals down our throats, the rest of the world is getting high-speed cable access for one-TENTH what we pay at FOUR to TEN times the speed.<br />
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Don't trust anti-government Republican Socialists to ever do a capable job - EVER.
        
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      <![CDATA[They want to worm their way into our lives! Fuck censorship!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[What @19 said: This is an exaggeration, but ask yourself: Is it better for people to have no news or exclusive access to Fox video clips and streaming conservative talk radio?<br />
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      <![CDATA[Will this include Poor-nography--which is the purient enjoyment of the suffering of the impoverished? Or will this just embody that?
        
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      <![CDATA[This idea strikes me as the US wanting to catch up with the "great firewall" of China. I understand that some people may not be able to afford an internet connection, but many of these same people also can't afford a computer. So free wireless, filtered or not, does them little good. Why not put the money (and believe me, filtered or not, this will cost money) into more computers in libraries, and leave it up to the local librarians what, if anything, to filter. This way even the homeless non-computer owner has internet access, and the government stays out of the censorship business.
        
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      <![CDATA[@13 and @7, your two statements put together is why this is a terrible idea. Having a gov't filter on what an entire class of people depend on for their information is a very scary proposal.
        
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      <![CDATA[I know all the laptop-wielding netroots-types love the free-gubmit-internets idea, but it's really, really poor progressive policy:<br />
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1. Internet access is not a classic public good. There is no clear positive externality (how does it help me if you can use Wikipedia to settle your bet?) The cost in not uncapturable (it's no problem to meter and bill someone for their bandwidth use).<br />
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2. It's a wealth transfer from poor to rich. The poor's taxes will contribute, but it's the upper-middle class hanging around Starbucks with their wireless laptops.<br />
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3. It's a classic case of crowding out. There is already a large, competitive, and successful private market in internet access that would be destroyed by its public replacement.<br />
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4. It's not about "jobs, jobs, jobs". The labor-to-capital ratio for the internet access industry has got to be among the lowest of any industry you can think of.<br />
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5. It will result in endless civil liberties problems, because the great mass of Americans hate the idea of subsidzing "pornographers and terrorists" and politicians will react to that.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wait... people use the Internet for something other than porn?
        
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      <![CDATA[get over yourself Fnarf. <br />
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Quit being such a fucking PC Pussy.
        
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      <![CDATA[But why no porn?  Why??<br />
Is it really that bad?
        
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      <![CDATA[This is truly wonderful!  <br />
No longer will my eyes be assaulted by harlots not wearing burqas!
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Paul Constant]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Look: I appreciate that there is no set government definition of porn. But there are a lot of people who are too poor to pay for internet. And it's better for them to have access to e-mail and some news sources for free than for them to have nothing, which is what they have now.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:12:43 -0800</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[diggum]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[meh.  barriers are made to be broken.  give me the free wi-fi - i'll figure out how to break it and get to the porn.<br />
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sincerely,<br />
diggum
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:10:55 -0800</pubDate> 
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