http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/12/01/two_hot_mormons_are_just_a_cli Comments On: Two Hot Mormons Are Just a Click Away by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:00:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss slacks.he was very cute and had a very nice ASS!I hope one day to be nailed by a mormon boy someday!
Posted by tinysmallguy]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:12:17 -0700 The Stranger Posted by logcabin35]]> Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:52:31 -0800 The Stranger Posted by logcabin35]]> Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:44:55 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Wendy Blackheart]]> Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:04:12 -0800 The Stranger
I am a member of several gay blogs (political, hobby clubs, etc). You would not believe the backlash against me and others whenever we mention the christianists or discuss how hateful the church is. Not only are many fundamentalist Christians more inclined to help the LDS than to grant us human status, there is an enormously large number of American gays who are in thrall to their conservative beliefs.

Unbelievable to those of us who are out, unimaginable to those of us who live in civilized places like San Francisco - but true none-the-less.

I am also a member of a fair number of conservative and Christian think-tank and discussion sites (know thy enemy) and, over the years have learned a few things.

Here's what I think is going on:

The hardest core of fundamentalists and the christianists (political exploiters of simple-minded Christians' fears) are not going to be moved by anything.

There is a broad swath of paranoia and fear of persecution in the conservative Christian community. Yeah, I know - sort of like the SS worrying about the Brownshirts killing them in their sleep - but it is part and parcel of their belief system. Attacking anyone as some idiots have done (that poor old woman with the cross, trashing LDS churches) has nothing to do with being fabulous. We only feed their strength that way.

There is a wide agreement among the intelligent, conservative Christians (that is not an oxy-moron, how many smart gays do you know who dress exactly the same as everybody else? How many treat bottoms differently than tops?) right, she does go on so, sorry, where was I, oh, right: Our best approach is to convince the intelligent Christians to leave us be, support our getting full federal civil rights including civil unions and the right to serve openly in the military. They don't want anymore of this mess, can't stand the christianists and would rather find a solution now than have open warfare in their churches for the next decades.

We fcucked up Prop. 8 through arrogance (how many of those black women who voted against us did so because they see us as attacking their already horrible social condition? Lots.)
We blew it because an awful lot of us "don't do" politics. Got news for you, ladies. First, they take away your civil rights. Then your human status. Then they torture and murder you. It's been done before. Frequently.

We have awakened a sleeping tiger through the attacks on the LDS, we are only gaining them sympathy among the conservatives - just go read sites like http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/ go through the archives from November for gay topics. Yikes!

Time to grow up and fast. Oh, and yes, whenever a missionary shows up at my door (usually alone over here in Europe), I invite him in, sit him down with coffee and cake and let him talk. Explain gently why his church' positions towards me are wrong. Give him another slice, help him with any aspect of living here I can. I won't change his mind about the LDS... but he surely will know that there are gays out there who are not as he was taught we are in Podunk or Deep Denial.
Posted by panthera]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:26:35 -0800 The Stranger By more in California.
We raised more Prop 8 money too.
They still beat us.
They are organized committed civil-minded patriots.
We are spoiled self-indulgent selfish degenerates.
Oh, also God is on their side.
Posted by We'reHereWe'reQueer]]> Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:25:58 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Partly Cloudy]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:16:42 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Zach]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:22:51 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Bunny]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:19:46 -0800 The Stranger very inspiring.
corrupt means will corrupt the end.
Posted by Theophilus]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:17:38 -0800 The Stranger
We are targeting the easily swayed, the moderates, the "cafeteria faithful" who have an amorphous Christianity at best. These folks decided the election, and they were pushed towards prop 8 by skillful advertising and tons of organized effort fueled in large part by LDS. They can easily be pushed the other way by similar tactics coming from the other direction, and that's what we need. We need motivation for this level of organization - the mormons had faith, we have anger, and it's a great source.

If you think some cranky protesters are going to shock and appall people for more than a few weeks, you're wrong. Terrorism in India, collapsing economy, and every other unspeakable horror we see on the news...in two years, who's gonna really give a shit about some white powder sent to a church where no one even died or got hurt? Boooring. But get some good TV commercials out there, add a little guilt and play on anti-mormon bigotry, and you've got those few percentage points you need to get the win. That's right out of the LDS playbook.
Posted by Yeek]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:34:25 -0800 The Stranger
After my mission, I went into the Air Force, Germany, and let me tell you - gay bars have nothing on the Air Force .....

Good luck, and you can appreciate, both of us, and many others, have many questions to ask at a distant time and place. And, I will ask them.
Posted by Nephi Apostate]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:18:52 -0800 The Stranger Posted by BrinkleyBoy]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:20:42 -0800 The Stranger
Nephi is 110% on.
Militant homosexual attacks on Mormons drive culturally conservative Christians (Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, Baptists, etc) together despite huge theological differences.
It turns out that Baptist like homosexuals even less than Mormons, which is saying a lot.
'Victimhood' is the currency of the realm in our society and the post Prop 8 circus has been a Golden Goose for Mormons.
It helps Romney in a 2012 bid.
Obama was not onboard for Gay marriage before the Prop 8 debacle and is further away now.
Reacting based on anger is never a winning strategy.
Posted by Theophilus]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:36:28 -0800 The Stranger
The outsisde world makes a big deal out of this, why, when it so common in all churches is a mystery.... because there is no professional clergy, most Mormons feel very strong ownership - and pay with no qualms what they can. It is their building, their social programs,and they often do the sermon as lay members.

Might be a good organizing model there for the more astute.... but, Mormon haters hate every piece, even the most mundane, like paying bills.
Posted by Nephi Apostate]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:25:23 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NapoleonXIV]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:26:44 -0800 The Stranger
I was very gay and had sex with several partners, several members.

The pro Mormon haters are silly. You may kick the church for its horrid political stands, that goes back 40 years to Ezra Taft Benson, but, after all I believe
all the good I experienced and the theology of the pre-existence and on to the worlds without numbers.

Remember all the space time stuff was dogma in the 1840 ies - long before modern astronomy.

We now know that it is true, galaxy count is in the hundreds of billions and stars counted beyond number systems - and that is what we can see from Hubbell. String theory seems interesting as well - many universes existing side by side ...

I have not been to church for 30 years, no intention to go active. But do not think hating Mormons will do any thing to advance gay rights. The opposite will happen.

If Mormons really enter the anti marriage fight for real on on the long term, and the anti adoption fight, expect to loose many more elections.

Calif. was a debacle because of a poor campaign, and us queers were our organized, out worked, out voted and almost out spent. The Mormons can do it again with new found Catholic and Fundie friends.

Why will our next ballot fight be different? The Calif. campaign won't hardly discuss their horrible mistakes.

Ultimately attacking churches unites "Christians"... 80 per cent of Americans consider themselves Christian. Bad, bad strategy to kick them in the face non stop....

Has anyone else noticed the Dems back peddling hard after the Calif. defeat? Bigger loss than one state, the chill in Congress.... in New York state ...

Is there a political game left, or all bullshit and blather, anger and finger pointing, and can't win an election. What a team to bet on.... and a long term recession which will be the ONLY thing on the popular mind.... food and housing, stuff like that, vs. a wedding cake ... don't mean to be rude, but all the signs point to a long term strategy and name calling won't ever be good for that.
Posted by Nephi Apostate]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:21:09 -0800 The Stranger

they don't drink tea anyway.
Posted by SecretBYUBottomBoy]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:20:50 -0800 The Stranger
I guess what I stated was more an explanation of the popular myth of the sister missionary.
Posted by BrinkleyBoy]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:01:15 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Vince]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:28:34 -0800 The Stranger It was funnier then.
Posted by richie]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:02:41 -0800 The Stranger You'll have to come up with something a lot more clever and original than this before it would rise to the level of 'juvenile'
Posted by momma]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:33:27 -0800 The Stranger
Also, I'll point out that you take your average 19-21 year old boy, put him in a crisp white shirt and tie, and give him a nice short haircut, and the end result has better than average odds of being pretty hot, (if that's your thing.) Take your average 21-23 year old girl, dress her in vaguely frumpy clothes, give her limited time and budget to deal with hair and makeup, and at best you will end up with "girl next door".
Posted by sister Y]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:09:02 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Julie in Chicago]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:48:33 -0800 The Stranger But frat boys do rule the planet. Look at government appointments, high level CEOs and the like. You don't think quite a few of them don't still hold loyalty to their Lamma Lamma Lamma groups?
Posted by Enigma]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:41:33 -0800 The Stranger