http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/25/fisking_fay Comments On: Fisking Fay by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:30:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by nate m.]]> Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:43:52 -0800 The Stranger
All my love,
justwally
Posted by Wally Wilson]]> Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:34:58 -0800 The Stranger what an ignorant, privileged idiot!
Although I disagree with EVERYTHING said in this article; I'm a little glad it was published, maybe the feedback will teach him and idiots like him a thing or two. (probably not)

oh yeah
race is not biological
and neither is gender!
Posted by insomniac]]> Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:47:23 -0800 The Stranger
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Posted by Lonnie]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:40:54 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Lonnie]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:40:00 -0800 The Stranger
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.…
Posted by UW Student]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0800 The Stranger
Probably about the same time they stopped requiring a course in punctuation.
Posted by grammar fascist]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:42:06 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Gymnjim]]> Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:28:05 -0800 The Stranger
That one statement, right there, gets to the real heart of so many contentious issues, not just this one. I really wish that more people could understand that what a government should or shouldn't allow is very different from what a particular idea, belief, church, or faith should allow. The First Amendment gives you the right to speak your mind, to make your views known, without fear of reprisal from the government but not necessarily from people who disagree with you. That's there to protect everybody, not just you. And that's how government--the state--should strive to act at all times. It's there to support and protect everybody, not just your idea or your belief or your faith.

In this case, if your particular faith cannot accept the idea of two men getting married, then the government should allow you to deny them a place at your altar, your place of worship, but not at the expense of denying them a place at any altar, anywhere. That's what freedom of religion means: you get to have your religion and everybody else gets to have theirs, even if it's different than yours.
Posted by Justin J. Clark]]> Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:32:44 -0800 The Stranger Culture, on the other hand, is a state of mind, and not transmitted via biology.
Posted by onion]]> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:10:23 -0800 The Stranger
From his Facebook Group page:
John Fay For President of UW College Republicans http://www.facebook.com/directory/groups…

"6. Controversy: As Republicans and as Americans we must be proud of who we are because we have something to be proud of. We must never let unkind and dishonest people shame us or cow us into quiescence. I know some folks hesitate about our seeking controversy but frankly that is the best way to get the word out about our club and hey, we actually believe in what we are doing anyway. If the Horowitz Foundation repeats Islamo-fascist week we should be a part of that. We also should work with the SCCC again if they do another empty holster protest. But there were lots of other ideas we didn't pursue this year, like global warming awareness, an affirmative action bakesale etc. We should plan on at least one major controversy per quarter. I don't know about you guys but I always sleep with a cleaner conscience after being called a fascist by a bunch of out of work hippies."

Posted by Will]]> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:37:12 -0800 The Stranger
I used to work at the Daily last year. I don't what has happened since then, but I am glad someone respectable is voicing their thoughts. The Daily has long floated on inflated egos stemming from all its 5-year seniors who don't realize they STILL work for a campus paper. I am very happy someone is putting them in place and setting them straight (er, no pun intended).

I almost hope Fay is a secret closeted homosexual and simply wrote that article because he is in fear of coming out. Perhaps I could forgive him then. Sadly, this is probably not the case.
Posted by uwhuskies]]> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:52:07 -0800 The Stranger
We ought to expect more deliberate and thoughtful expressions of opinion from ourselves, and our fourth estate.
Posted by GradStudent]]> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:55:07 -0800 The Stranger
However when the author's argument includes the Simpsons, the "incest, bestiality" line of thinking...which is completely ridiculous...notable difference between two consenting adults and 1 consenting adult + 1 might not be consenting (or human) other), and religion, I tend to lose faith in the validity of their argument.

With this in mind, I would not censor an article because it has conservative viewpoints that I disagree (strongly) with. Like Director of Student Publications Kristin Millis stated in a recent e-mail, I too believe in free speech, the First Amendment, "dialogue and robust discussion". I am in favor of more thoroughly reading over articles that might go in the opinions section, and sincerely hope that someone writes a very strong rebuttal (and that the Editorial Staff prints the article).

When the author's argument is that "Being homosexual" is "a problem that needs to be dealt with" I think that the Editorial Staff should expect a significant amount of negative feedback.
Posted by Julian]]> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:38:49 -0800 The Stranger It's when straight people like this assclown states AUTHORITATIVELY what homosexuality is ALL ABOUT. Oh, he doesn't need any information from real, live gay people about what gay life is like, because HE KNOWS!! And how does he know?

"Takes one to know one"? I've decided that the anti-gay social conservatives spend every minute of every day fighting their urge to have sex with another man, and the rest of us just don't understand their daily moral struggle against their own forbidden desires.

0700: Wake up. Want to get fucked by a dude, but choose not to ask for it, because IT'S WRONG.
0800: Eat breakfast. Think dirty thoughts about the sausage, but don't do anything about it, because IT'S WRONG.
0900: Go to class, think about screwing the football player in the front row in the ass, but don't, because IT'S WRONG.

etc.

I really feel sorry for them that they have to struggle against that emotional desire all the time, knowing that they'll be damned to hell for doing it.

Oh, and posting this kid's info = not cool. Posting it to Lustlab = really not cool. He has to struggle with his brain's allergy to reason and his "emotional" impulses - punishment enough.

Posted by MemeGene]]> Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:50:49 -0800 The Stranger
http://dailyuw.com/2008/11/25/propositio…

I know this jackass personally. It was really just a matter of time.
Posted by The Daily is Shit and Everyone Knows It]]> Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:10:13 -0800 The Stranger


@ Dan: I love how he has to specify it's a 70 yo man that wants to marry all those underaged girls. Because, apparently, if he was 30, it wouldn't be so bad?

This is a clear example of the right wing mentality that "gross" and "wrong" are the same thing. To him, the reason that pedophilic polygamous situation is wrong is because it's gross, not because, say, it's wrong for anyone to fuck a 10 yo, because 10 yos have a right to live their lives without penises in them.

This is probably also, at the core of it, his argument with gay marriage, and with abortion. "Ew, gross, so it's wrong."
Posted by Trish]]> Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:57:52 -0800 The Stranger
While I know that gay couples are just as bonded as straight couples, without the perspective that the opposite sex brings, same-sex marriage is a pale imitation -- two salt shakers with no pepper in sight. All yang and no yin. More like the world's smallest frat house than anything else.
Posted by Vinegar and Oil]]> Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:29:51 -0800 The Stranger



Posted by KD]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:18:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Melissa]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:17:48 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mutt]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:10:38 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Mutt]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:09:40 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Dawgson]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:00:10 -0800 The Stranger ..while it might be true as you state that
" i expect savage to continue beating this drum for the next 24-48 hours or at least get his minions at The Stranger to do it. ", why not hold your rants until AFTER this happens.
i'm not a minion , but you really do sound like an off topic ass with an personal ax to grind.
Posted by reverend dr dj riz]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:28:59 -0800 The Stranger
Judaism is the only TRUE religion. Islam and Christianity are cults for idiots.

It is anti-semitic not to like Natalie's writing. There are many Jewish writers at The Stranger, and most of them are pro-Israel and observe the major holidays.

Seattle had better get used to a pro-Jewish voice. It is racist, Christian and homophobic to say anything bad about Judaism or Israel. Not to mention anti-semitic.

Now that Obama has selected Rahm Israel Emanuel as chief of staff, America will be even more pro- Israel that ever. Anyone who doesn't like it is a Christian, anti-semitic idiot.
Posted by issur]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:56:06 -0800 The Stranger