Comments On: Feds, Seattle Police Raid Tanning Salons in Brothel Probe by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

Re: Feds, Seattle Police Raid Tanning Salons in Brothel Probe

infrequent — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:42:03 -0800

oops! that was supposed to be a comment on this post:

http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/no_r…

how did that happen?
Posted by infrequent

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infrequent — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:40:59 -0800

Mahtli69, I agree with most of what you say, but you really do go on to ruin your own point. And you do so in a way that is very frustrating, similar to the non-apology-apology: though everything you say is true, what you are really saying is clear and annoying.

Of course "shame on the cop" if they said something rude. That is 100% true 100% of the time (even if not illegal). Just like you could say, "shame on the cop if they slapped the woman first and then lied about it." That would also be 100% true 100% of the time. Because of that, it is difficult to argue against.

Why is okay to jump to that judgment though? The logical jump is one step, not two. One step says, I think the cop might have said something to provoke her. Once you move on to shaming --->>>IF<<--- that is what happened, you are talking about a completely hypothetical situation, while at the same time, still indirectly blaming the cop. The cop in this case, is the victim.

It does seems highly probably that there was an exchange that took place before the slapping. I would even be okay with someone saying, "I want to hear the whole story before I cast judgment either way." Once you move on to shaming one of the parties -- even though you have ever so cleaver/annoying IF in there -- you actually cross the line.

Posted by infrequent

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wolf — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:45:14 -0800

why bust now? why didn't spd bust'em year ago? two or three years ago? I am really curious? did something happen within last couple weeks???
Posted by wolf

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Mahtli69 — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:17:31 -0800

@16 -

"From 85th to 105th, it's kind of a prostitution area."

As if busting a brothel will have any impact on the number of streetwalkers in the area. In fact, I'll bet if it wasn't for the bust, the Avalon's neighbors had no idea it was a brothel.
Posted by Mahtli69

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inkweary — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:14:18 -0800

This quote from the story in the PI:

"The sales manager of Mattress Liquidators, next door to the Avalon, also applauded agents and police for the crackdown. "They need to clean up this neighborhood," said Karsten Logan. "From 85th to 105th, it's kind of a prostitution area."

You'd think a cut-rate mattress outlet would be sad to see volume customer go out of business.
Posted by inkweary

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Non — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:02:03 -0800

Jonah, the last time I thought about Adrian was the last time you brought him up the last time I criticized you.

Got anything else?
Posted by Non

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dwight moody — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:25:13 -0800

So who is Exotic Tan on Lake City Way bribing to stay open?
Posted by dwight moody

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Mahtli69 — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:24:04 -0800

@12 - Zing!
Posted by Mahtli69

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ballardninergooner — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:53:29 -0800

What, no cracks on it being a "lose lose" situation for Nguyen Nguyen?
Posted by ballardninergooner

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elswinger — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:01:13 -0800

The other side of this is that the victims are the women who are shipped like cattle from Asia to work in these places. Sure, there are "sensible" women who make the choice to be a sex worker, but more often than not it's soe young girl from Asia or the former USSR sold into slavery.

When I was younger, and dumber, Iwent to one of these places. It was a very sad experience for both of us.
Posted by elswinger

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Mr. X — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:57:54 -0800

Golly gee willikers, I sure feel a lot safer now.

Can someone please open one of these happy-ending parlors in Belltown? I hear they need a few more beat (off?) cops....

Posted by Mr. X

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jonahsl — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:36:33 -0800

non, it was the end of the day on a Tuesday, which means I've been busy getting stuff ready for the paper edition. If you've got such a problem with it, feel free to come by the office and we can discuss it in person. Or you could just kiss my fucking ass.

How's stalking Adrian going?
Posted by jonahsl

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Non Non — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:11:12 -0800

"Nguyen Tran Nguyen purchased purchased approximately"

Even a read-over by YOU would have caught this error, you fucking hack.
Posted by Non Non

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six shooter — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:24 -0800

Should we assume no hard-working American girls want these jobs?
Posted by six shooter

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Greg — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:15:03 -0800

So is Avalon going to stop advertising in the back of the Stranger, then?
Posted by Greg

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LH — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:47:49 -0800

hold judgement until we learn whether this was sex slavery, where very poor women - in exchange for "safe passage" (in shipping containers) to the US - are forced to have sex to repay their host.

here's one such case locally from a few years back:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.c…

Posted by LH

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Fnarf — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:45:30 -0800

On the plus side, my dick is extremely tan.
Posted by Fnarf

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Sleestak — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:23:52 -0800

Ah yes, paying for sex... the most dangerous and evil crime ever committed in the history of humankind.
Posted by Sleestak

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Mahtli69 — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:18:13 -0800

I can only assume that SPD solved all of the open violent crime cases in the city first.
Posted by Mahtli69

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disintegrator — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:57:10 -0800

HaHA! One of my friends once went to the Avalon spa looking for a massage. Boy, was HE surprised..
Posted by disintegrator