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      <![CDATA[NPR had a related story the other night, featuring Gov. Gregoire, about the use of settlement money from tobacco lawsuits. <br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97081916">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@12 - Hey - you said it first - and better!
        
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      <![CDATA[The existence of a correlation is self-evident.  The question is whether there is causation.  Perhaps the cause is that in states with few smokers, it is easier to pass laws/taxes that penalize that minority.
        
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      <![CDATA[The south is at the bottom of the list for health and health care. They also grow the most tobacco. They also call themselves "pro-life".
        
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      <![CDATA[no, lorinyc, true liberals (like the ones on Slog!) love state power to set social policy.<br />
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Except for Prop 8...but hey, hypocrisy is just human, after all.
        
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      <![CDATA[ARG! It lists NY as the most expensive at $6.52 per pack. But in NYC it's about $10!!!! So ridiculous. If any other group of people was being gouged like this for a legal product, there would be uproar. ARG!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[@11: Mormons.  Probably the only thing they're right about.
        
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      <![CDATA[Not to mention the annual $1.5 billion Kentucky pays in health care directly caused by smoking.  Have to sell a lot of tobacco to cover that.
        
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      <![CDATA[Two words: Cash crop.<br />
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I grew up in Kentucky. Talking about restricting tobacco access in Kentucky is ugly and unpatriotic. The people who want to limit access to tobacco in Kentucky (both in price and convenience) are the same people who want to eliminate no-call lists, send our troops back into battle in bullseye-painted tank tops, and give the Daily Show back to Craig Kilborn.<br />
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Which... not that I'm defending Kentucky's smoking, because it's obviously not healthy. But the farmers are turning a profit and making donations to Kentucky's politicians, and the taxes they pay fund Kentucky's government and its programs. Kentucky already has a problem paying for its infrastructure, schools, and so forth, so nobody's overly anxious to convince unsubsidized, profitable farmers to maybe grow something that earns less money.
        
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      <![CDATA[#8<br />
No doubt!
        
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      <![CDATA[Tobacco is a major industry in Kentucky. Taxing cigarettes would be like Washington establishing an airliner tax.
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>Do you think there's a correlation?</i><br />
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That isn't a matter of opinion. You compute your Pearson R and your confidence interval and you have your answer. The more difficult question, with arguable policy implications, is "is there a causal relationship?" And that question is <i>much</i> harder to answer.<br />
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It might well be, for example, that states with fewer smokers are more likely to impose high tobacco taxes because there are fewer affected voters to fight those taxes.
        
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      <![CDATA[Idaho smokes less than us.  What's with that?
        
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      <![CDATA[#4 has a point, but I think smoking restrictions are a first step in declining smoking rates. It eventually requires a cultural shift. It might take 5, or 10, or more years to see the results. <br />
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Utah and California suggest price alone isn't a determining factor.
        
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      <![CDATA[Alaska shoots your theory to shit- it has one of the highest taxes in the country, smoking bans in bars & restaurants (at least in the Municipality of Anchorage), and one of the highest smoking rates, at 24.2%<br />
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That, and you'd think the freezing cold would deter people...  not so much.
        
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      <![CDATA[Least intuitive newsgraphic ever.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5 like defense against Florida
        
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      <![CDATA[Oops! Forgot you said correlation not causation. Sorry!
        
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      <![CDATA[Kentucky is the worst state when it comes to a lot of things.
        
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      <![CDATA[There may be a correlation, but not necessarily the one you're getting at.  States with fewer smokers are going to be more likely to pass anti-smoking laws as well as raise taxes for those who do smoke.  Socio-economic status plays the biggest role in determining whether a person or a population smokes.
        
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      <![CDATA[I was lucky.  I quit using that Chantrix drug, before it caused seizures.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't need to smoke. I get cancer for free!
        
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      <![CDATA[It's a fact that many people seem to forget. Smoking kicks ass. When it's January 2nd, 2009 and you're still a smoker, you are awesome.
        
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