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      <![CDATA[I am getting pretty sick of the Yes on H8ers stance that the people who donated to pass this shit-hole of a ballot measure should be free from the consequences of their actions. People who put that much time and money into taking away the rights of other citizens are bigots. Yes, they have free speech rights and they exercised them. They exercise them constantly at the expense of others.  Funny thing is, when it swings the other way they seem to think it is SO NOT FAIR.<br />
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After years of politely tolerating the Rev. Phelps clan and the ex-gay recruitment tactics on my home turf, I think that they can deal with my pissed off faggoty ass in their faces for once. A bigot is a bigot and deserves to be called out.  Fuck the Mormon chruch, fuck all the donors to Yes on 8, and fuck you Maggie Gallagher! We are about to get in your face and ITS SO TOTALLY FAIR!
        
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      <![CDATA[I've been thinking a lot about this in the days since the vote.  I'm seeing so much hatred and fear and misinformation and UNinformation, and oh did I say Fear.. come oozing out of these people.. I ask myself "Do they not KNOW any gay people?  How can they be so ignorant?" And today it finally hit me, how we can truly, actually, finally reach them: Reality Television.  Yes! Really!  Check it - We make a show called "If We Were Gay Married", that profiles 2 different committed gay couples each week from around the country... And we switch 'em up.. no, we build 'em a new house.. Well, some kinda cross between "Wife Swap" and "Extreme Home Makeover", anyway, with a whole gay-marriage-normal-home-and-family kinda vibe to it.....<br />
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Ok, that's as far as I got.... But I think I'm onto something, ne'er the less... hhmmm....<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[I take from this two things:<br />
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1. Maggie's reading from the same scare the straights playbook all of the preachers are reading from...and doing so in a mediocre fashion.<br />
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2. An intellectually honest and productive debate about this subject will never be accomplished in a 5-20 minute TV debate.  Can't we nationalize the news media already (BBC style)?  They're one of the few entities that the government really needs to flex their muscles...oh shit, a 1984 moment...Scratch #2<br />
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What I'm trying to say with little elequence is that the biggest failing of market-driven news television is that it is subject to similar production values and advertisement scheduling as...2.5 men.  This allows each side of the coin to make arguments that lack detail or substantiation without real challenge.  Partisans end up talking over each other as a tactic for squelching the other's argument or because they feel a need to do there job as best they can in a fraction of the time they need.  <br />
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      <![CDATA[Isn't interesting how quickly the religious right nuts and homophobes are trying to make themselves out to be the poor persecuted ones, and the gays are the evil persecutors? The definition of irony: Prop 8 Supporters
        
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      <![CDATA[i see she's from virginia, same as that batshit crazy bug-eyed woman who said she couldn't vote for obama because of his name and his father's religion.  i want to slap the stupid out of this tight-assed dumbshit bitch, too.  poe, why aren't you saying she ought to kill herself?
        
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      <![CDATA[Gay, intelligent, even-tempered activist vs Fat, retarded, closed-minded soccer mom.  <br />
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ESPN's talking heads program "Around the Horn" gives its host a mute button to shut up anybody who can't do it themselves.<br />
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      <![CDATA[I just want to give mad props to the CNN guy for saying "champing at the bit."  Instead of the always wrong "chomping at the bit."  No one gets that right anymore.
        
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      <![CDATA[Did you guys notice they used footage from the Seattle march and rally?  Check the bottom right corner of the screen at the beginning.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maybe I'm just not used to television debate standards, but I wish just once that the host of one of these debates would tell people like her, "Excuse me- the way you're consistently interrupting this person is extremely rude. Please wait your turn." People should have some decorum.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18, Lambda Legal it is.  They even let fill out the following, that sure was nice of them.  Fun too.<br />
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Please send Honor / Memorial acknowledgments to:<br />
Name: 	Maggie Gallagher <br />
Address: 	Post Office Box 1231<br />
Manassas, VA 20108 <br />
Country: 	United States  <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow.  That Michelangelo fellow was a hell of a lot more patient than I would have been with that unqualified cow.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm a divorced single parent and I know that two same sex people are no worse or better than me raising my kids in a safe and loving environment. I don't think gays should be excused from the terror that is married life or the insanity of parenting. But other than read slog all day long and send my smart-ass comments, how do I actively support your fight while I live here in the podunk part of Illinois. I need some suggestions.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maggie right off the bat framed the debate as "traditional marriage being redefined."  <br />
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Signorile, good as he was, never re-framed the debate.  <br />
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Gay-rights will never be successful until we learn how to re-frame the debate!<br />
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      <![CDATA[These right wingers are such petty liars. How far from reality can they go!
        
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      <![CDATA[I guess that means that straight people who can't conceive or for whatever reason choose to adopt therefore aren't capable of connecting their own children in love to their mother and father.
        
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      <![CDATA[it went immediately from gay marriage to gay parenting (not that either are bad, just sayin-- way to change the topic in the opening statement) and from gay parenting to 'we're being harrassed!'.<br />
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what a non-debate. blah blah blah i'mtaklingoveryouican'thearyoui'mtalking blah!
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm a straight male who it slightly selfish with both my time and money.  I gave $50 to no on 8, but that was a wedding present for my aunts who flew down to California in order to get legally married before election day (they had a non-legal ceremony here several years ago).  <br />
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      <![CDATA[Holy Crap! I just read that woman lives in my home town. Can't wait until she sees me and my partner enrolling our child into the same school her kids go to.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@5 Maybe they want the kids to be as phobic as the adults are. If more kids could see how kids thrive in LGBT households, they might not think it's evil like the phobic idiots want them to believe.
        
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      <![CDATA[What I find odd is that Maggie Gallagher can tell people marriage is so awesome for kids when she herself was a single mother.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:55:08 -0800</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[meetTheNewBigot]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[They care about as much for the children as the anti-abortion people do, which is not at all. All they're doing is trying to hide their crazy phobias to a minority by taking away their rights and keeping the minority from being seen as human. How can blacks or any persecuted religion not see the games that are being played by the bigots? It's all through history and it's being repeated over and over again. How is it a good thing when the ex-persecuted become the new bigots?
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:55:04 -0800</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[So we don't have the right to redefine marriage... then you can't have the right to redefine emergency contraception as abortion. Or the right to say that non-heterosexuals aren't equal. You lose, and put on some make-up for Christ's sake.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:35 -0800</pubDate> 
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