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      <![CDATA[I'm catching up on my yahoo email.  Just sent Ms. Ginter a note.  <br />
One to chastise her for dishonest reporting.  <br />
Two to thank her for "donations, new members and renewed comradarie between old members/friends."<br />
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Miss y'all & the Center!!<br />
anita from TX
        
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      <![CDATA[you do realize that most "non-profits" make HUGE profits and large staffs that get enormous salaries. yet because of america's Puritanical Ideology we get singled out.
        
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      <![CDATA[@17. And, you know NOTHING walking into, or out of that club looks as good as that.
        
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      <![CDATA['ve seen a couple of suggestions for a couple of protests here, but honestly, what's being suggested isn't going to work.<br />
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What will work is a boycott of the shows (or maybe the stations) sponsors.<br />
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This kind of sleaze-ball, sensationalizing, yellow journalism is done to boost ratings and sell advertising. If the advertisers hear that a local club with 5,000 active members is not going to buy their products if they advertise here, they will run screaming away. =That= is the only way you will get the attention of these money grubbers.<br />
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Who wants to start a list of places to not shop?<br />
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A.M.
        
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      <![CDATA[Here is the link to Ken Schram and some other guy's radio show.  About half way through the show they discuss this whole issue and do a fairly good job of it, despite giggling like school boys half the time.  <br />
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<a href="http://www.komonews.com/opinion/commentators/34704614.html?video=YLO&t=a">http://www.komonews.com/opinion/commenta&hellip;</a><br />
        
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      <![CDATA[omg, CSPC offers classes and workshops on how to have better sex? How dare they! Guess it's time to try & take Babeland down too.
        
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      <![CDATA[I also donated through the 'Problems Solvers' fund page with specific instructions to distribute 50% to the CSPC and 50% to the Foundation, and a note in the reference field with the address to be sure the CSPC gets the check. I particularly like picturing what it'll be like for KOMO to hand over the checks to my organization of choice....
        
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      <![CDATA[I sent KOMO this note:<br />
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You people should be ashamed of yourselves.  The sensationalist hit peice you ran on the Center for Sex Positive Culture made it seem like a night club of private owners scamming the state, rather than the community organization that it really is. The only difference in terms of actual daily function between a non-profit and a profit making business is that the profits are not distrubuted to shareholders. <br />
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	I wonder why you don't do a salacious "expose" style hit peice on that great bigoted hate group known as the LDS church? One that made so much "profit" it's built mega temples all over the world, and could get it's bigoted "members" to donate 20 million dollars to take away people's civil rights.<br />
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	Most egregious is the opening,  when the talking haircut at the begining states that a "seattle woman is looking for state and federal money to finance part of her sex club organization." "Her" organization? A significant population of the Seattle community supports the Center for Sex Positive Culture with membership dues, just like any other membership organization. It's owned by the community, not any single member.<br />
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The piece then doesn't bother to explain exactly where she is "looking" for state and federal funds. <br />
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	I'm disgusted with KOMO. The talking parasites KOMO hires to to broadcast this sewage don't deserve to handle money in fast food, much less broadcasting on the publicy owned airwaves. At the very least, these walking atrocities (Marlee Ginter especially) ought to lose their FCC licenses. KOMO should end up buying the center a new building out of the deal. It would not surprise me if some of the innaccuracies reach the threshold of libel. <br />
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	Shame.  Just shame.<br />
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	Sincerely,<br />
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	Christopher Bingham
        
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      <![CDATA[My email to Ms.Ginter:<br />
The scandalous piece on the Center for Sex Positive Culture that you presented last night made quite an impression on me, an appalling one!<br />
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It was remarkable how many inaccuracies were conveyed in such a short time.<br />
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Allena Gabosch does not “own” the Center, the community does.<br />
There are no private rooms available for members all rooms are shared.<br />
Membership dues to a 501(c) 7 are not tax-deductible.<br />
Nonprofits do not keep any profits for personal gain, that's what nonprofit means.<br />
Brian Alexander’s quotes were taken out of context to give a false appearance of condemnation.<br />
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Even in a busy election month the LPM (lies per minute) quotient in your piece was extraordinary.<br />
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Failing to mention that the Center is a volunteer driven organization, the oft marginalized sexual minorities that it also serves, or the fact that if the need for the Center did not exist, it would not exist either, indicates what a hackneyed and biased attempt at sensationalism this piece really is.<br />
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I always thought that fact checking and unbiased reporting were fundamental to good journalism. I've noticed that KOMO has already pulled the story from its website. It seems they already want to orphan it and get as far away as possible.<br />
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I do wonder, how does it feel to sell out your journalistic integrity in exchange for a shot at toothless scandal? Shame on you
        
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      <![CDATA[The link to KOMO is not working.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dear Ms. Ginter:<br />
    <br />
    I was surprised to receive a link to Dan Savage's blog that featured your report from last night on Komo-TV that featured a snippet of an hour-long conversation I had in your studios nearly one year ago when my book -- which you pictured -- debuted.<br />
    While I admired the breathless style, and the very creative editing that must have taxed the imagination of the editor, I was disconcerted because your report made it appear as if 1) I conducted some sort of scary undercover sting or investigation 2) I was shocked by what I saw 3) I condemned it.<br />
    None of these are true. <br />
    In fact, I recall saying in the interview that the club members were "normal" and not scary, that the club had a very real educational purpose, and that my reporting for the previous year, in communities across the country, showed how much more mainstream BDSM and other formerly alternative sex practices were becoming. <br />
    Sheesh.<br />
    If you had bothered to read the book, or even the chapter based in Seattle -- or even if you had watched your own station's brief interview with me taped on that same day for the afternoon show -- you would have known that I spent time with Allena and with club members and that I had been welcomed with openness and graciousness, just as you apparently were. I made it clear that while I did not find some of the activities of some members to my taste, I was not condemning.  <br />
    I realize that doesn't make for good "hard-hitting" TV news but boy, you really made the most of what you had. Way to go.<br />
    Now I feel as if I should apologize to Allena and the other club members. But I also feel you owe an apology to me for putting me in this position. <br />
    Pretty cheesy.    <br />
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Yours,<br />
Brian Alexander<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't know about the Center/Foundation lawyers, but the membership was on top of it as soon as the story aired. I donated through the 'Problems Solvers' fund page with specific instructions to distribute 50% to the CSPC and 50% to the Foundation, along with my statement of "I Support Sex Positive Education in our Community". I challenged everyone who read my comment and who agreed to donate _something_ to show support and solidarity for being Sex Positive as well as a "shame on you" to Ginter and KOMO for not bothering to fact check and biasing the story with the most negative spin they could devise. I guess they're ashamed... since they've removed all reference from their webpage.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ze husband sez Allena was on KOMO Radio today after the noon news,  giving info, correcting things, explaining its more than "just" a sex club.  Anybody else listen?
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow! The last time I checked, there were 55 (mostly negative) comments about that story. Now (as it's been pointed out) the whole page and video have been deleted.  It's like KOMO tried to wipe the internets clean of any trace of the that story. They are clearly in full CYA mode now. I wonder if the Center sent their lawyers after KOMO. I hope so!
        
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      <![CDATA[@29 The reporter specifically stated that club dues are tax-deductible.  The center makes no such claim.
        
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      <![CDATA[@27: donations to the Center are not tax-deductable, but donations to the Foundation elsewhere on the page are.
        
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      <![CDATA[@16, are you sure it isn't "Tie Me To A Tree (Handcuff Me)" by Bonnie Pointer?
        
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      <![CDATA[The <a href="http://www.sexpositiveculture.org/pages/donate">donation page on the center's website</a> states, "Donations to the CSPC are not tax-deductible."
        
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      <![CDATA[I sent a mean-spirited e-mail, in the hope that it might help ruin her day.
        
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      <![CDATA[It looks like maybe the story has been pulled off of KOMO's website?<br />
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It can be viewed here: <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=uUMVDJ1fDiY">http://youtube.com/watch?v=uUMVDJ1fDiY</a><br />
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And if you'd care to share your opinion with KOMO, feel free to email any of the following: tips@komo4news.com, comments@komo1000news.com, problemsolvers@komo4news.com, NewsInquiries@komo4news.com, comments@komotv4.com<br />
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      <![CDATA[ms. marlee could clearly benefit from a little time at the club.
        
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      <![CDATA[KOMO: There's no avoiding 'the little death and taxes'
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:11:37 -0800</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[That last (non-email) link is totally dead. *sigh*
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:10:33 -0800</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[Don't they have anything better to do with their time?
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:08:36 -0800</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[not only is the comment page down, but the story isn't even on the site anymore (a search for "sex" on all stories this year turns up nothing and i can't find anything on the "Problem Solvers" page).  cowards.  gg komo standing behind your "reporter."
        
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