http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/04/06/dan-savage-is-coming-forfor-not-onyour-children Comments On: Dan Savage Is Coming For—For! Not On!—Your Children! by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 11:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/the_maki…

About halfway down, in reference to the elder of her two sons:
"Patrick, now 31, a New York University graduate and aspiring musical-theater librettist, would not be interviewed."

I'm sure you know where I'm going with this... might Maggie's son be a closet case? Not all theater people are fags, but the numbers are so much higher than the general populace. More research is in order...

Ah, from this article:
http://talkaboutequality.wordpress.com/2…

"Patrick is now a young adult, writing musicals in New York City. He identifies as straight, and given his chosen occupation, he spends a great deal of time with LGBT people. We offered Patrick the opportunity to tell his side of things, but given the obvious personal conflict he feels about the situation, he declined. Though Patrick doesn’t want to comment directly, it has become clear that his views differ from his mother’s. According to Patrick, Maggie has been very supportive of his career and has not obstructed her son’s goals and dreams – like a mother should. One thing Patrick did say, which I don’t think he’d mind sharing is “Maybe one day I’ll write a hell of a musical about this.” Patrick’s a good guy who doesn’t deserve to be in the middle of this – but we feel that his and Maggie’s story is an important one that demonstrates the strength of a “non-traditional” family."

I don't recall seeing you mention this before, perhaps it warrants a little something.
Posted by theseamster]]> Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:29:08 -0800 The Stranger Who's obsessed with who?!
Posted by SpeakingTruth]]> Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:41:54 -0700 The Stranger
For example, I often recommend you to people, and to do that I had to compile a list of your YouTube videos, which was not easy to do. It would be much easier if I could just point them to a book.
Posted by Ola]]> Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:40 -0700 The Stranger
Not that they actually DO that. Otherwise, their marriages would end in death a little more often (death by natural causes).

There is value, for so many people in our culture, in suffering. Righteousness. I think partly it's for the giant eternal orgasm they're supposed to get after their pretend deprivations on earth. I may believe them some day, if they weren't so fat.
Posted by HellboundAlleee]]> Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:16:42 -0700 The Stranger Posted by fierce2]]> Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:22:20 -0700 The Stranger
And I do think even bringing up the porn thing is making an unfair generalization. For every lady who feels threatened by porn, there are dozens who realize that dudes watch porn and that's not changing, and even some who watch porn themselves. Yeah, the link at @188 is a little cray, but more than half of the comments are from women who have no problem with strip clubs, and a few even posted about positive experiences they had going to clubs with their manfriends.
Posted by withano]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:34:08 -0700 The Stranger Posted by rainbow fire]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:11:48 -0700 The Stranger Cultural change is slow and hard. Get progressive men to join forces and be honest and above-board about their porn, their masturbation, and, yes, their desire for other women. Push women to understand what (many) men want, just as feminists pushed men to acknowledge what (many) women want. You guys want the world to change for you. Doesn't work that way - ya gotta change it yourself.
Posted by EricaP]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:44:01 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Tim Horton]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:09:14 -0700 The Stranger
What I think he is saying, and I concur, is that Dan gives great advice that we need to be honest and realistic about monogamous relationships because "libido will have out." And while that makes perfect sense to us, what @46 is saying is that message is often not received well by men's female partners. Even something as relatively harmless as porn consumption or occasional strip club attendance sets some people off the deep end. To paraphrase: "If he is with me he should only want to look at me naked."

If you think we are making up a straw man, click on the link @188 and see the lunacy for yourself.
Posted by Tim Horton]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:04:18 -0700 The Stranger
I am reminded of one of my old jokes, that I was relatively indifferent to footwear but that I did like Shoes. (For anyone who recalls the children's television program ZOOM, a sort of reverse Fannee Doolee.) I'm not sure if I'd want to meet Gary Klebe now, though. It would be sad if he's aged badly.

I suspect you could probably trade Tom Cruise to someone who hadn't been paying much attention for a couple of decades or so...
Posted by vennominon]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:18:22 -0700 The Stranger
And what child would rather have divorced parents than parents in a stable relationship who sometimes messed around on the dl? Not that I think kids would want or need to know about what mommy and daddy (or mom and mommy or dad and daddy) get up to in their spare time, but I reckon there are very few kids out there who want split families.

That said, I'm not too bothered by trolls like Seattleblues. What concerns me more is the casual misogyny thrown out in #46: "Dan lays out the rational, fair answer describing what the person should do and how that should be received, and straight men everywhere palm their foreheads because they know how things will *actually* be received. I would say, though, that in that disconnect the problem does not lie in the advice itself."

So the problem, then, is that women are all crazy, irrational bitches?
Posted by withano]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:21 -0700 The Stranger Posted by HollywoodHillsCookie]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:07:28 -0700 The Stranger Posted by long-time reader]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:10:38 -0700 The Stranger http://thestir.cafemom.com/love_sex/1181…
Posted by divine_miss_em]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:36:55 -0700 The Stranger
I wonder if Maggie is aware of how much harder it is for children with notably anti-gay parents to Come Out?

Does she think she has provided a safe environment for her son, where he knows his mother loves him no matter what? That he'd feel confident in Coming Out to her, knowing that she spends her time and energy toward, and is indeed the very face of, America's current anti-gay movement?

I wonder....
Posted by LittleKiwi]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700 The Stranger
@ Canuck - I did want a pony when I was little, but that unicorn is way better!

And to all the others I forgot: You're awesome!

To those with whom I disagree, I find our honestly-held differences awesome. There must be other things we could bond over, like the weather or spring crocuses.

Finally, to those trolls out there who only take joy in being disruptive rather than engaging in sincere exploration, you are NOT AWESOME.

Back to work!
Posted by feliquid]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700 The Stranger http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/100/4…
Posted by venomlash]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:00:38 -0700 The Stranger course those people are on your team, sheesh! No fair. But perhaps we could set about designing a sufficiently boring, beige limbo for the undecideds whom neither of us want, like SB and Tom Cruise?

And shoes?! Of course I like shoes!! My biggest superficial regret in life, besides not taking a picture of my ass from when I was 17, is passing up a pair of Betsey Johnson 5" silver glitter ankle strap heels....sigh.
Posted by Canuck]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:40:36 -0700 The Stranger
I suppose all the teams have enough problematic ones claiming admission without having even more heaped upon us from the others. The other way around is much more enjoyable, discussing which team gets to draft (just off the top of my head) Alexander the Great, Oscar Wilde, Virginia Woolf or Iris Murdoch.
Posted by vennominon]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:14:51 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Canuck]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:06:38 -0700 The Stranger life, feliquid... :)

http://fashionindie.com/wp-content/uploa…
Posted by Canuck]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:02:06 -0700 The Stranger
Posted by seeker6079]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:55:33 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Lissa]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:54:43 -0700 The Stranger
Dan's followers don't count. Maggie and her followers don't count. Exchanges like this are for everyone else, IMO. Believe it or not, there are some reasonably good hearted people out there who needed to hear Dan explain how he understands women after Maggie "accused the gay guy of not getting women."
Posted by gerryfisher61]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:51:31 -0700 The Stranger