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      <![CDATA[<p>I've had quite a bit of experience with this question.</p><p>The Fire Department cannot force you to do anything.  However, the police department can.  The transport in the ambulance is called an "IVT" or InVoluntary Transport.  This is used then the patient cannot be trusted to make judgements in their own best interests.</p><p>A good example of a person who might not be thinking clearly is one who walks to the Aurora Bridge and then uses the emergency phone to try to chat with someone about his student loans.</p><p>This is crap.  Any time you say ANYTHING about self-harm to Emergency Services personel, you can expect to end up at a hospital.  The idea is that field personnel do not have the training to evaluate the mental fitness of the individual in question.  Should they, in fact, let someone go - someone who later kills themselves, they would be liable for that death.</p><p>What the hell were they supposed to do in this circumstance?  Let the guy who used the suicide phone go free to wander around the Aurora Bridge some more to see if he came up with any better ideas?</p><p>Ambulances are expensive because no-one in this country has health insurance.  Fewer than 30% of the people in Harborview's ER have any insurance at all.  Just think about how much more expensive a burrito at Taco Del Mar would be if 70% of their customers walked out without paying - and then factor in the occassional customer who just randomly sues them for a few million.  You'd probably end up with a pretty fucking expensive burrito.</p><p>This guy was an idiot, and on paper this is a classic cry for help.  Debt is a classic trigger for suicidal ideation.</p><p>What the fuck ever.</p>
        
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      <![CDATA[Why he can't just be happy with asking the city to reimburse him for the 883 dollar medical bill or writing it off? Why be a greedy bastard?

I hate frivolous lawsuits.
        
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      <![CDATA[Fnarf, couldn't the punitive damages problem be solved by not giving money to the plaintiff, but just taking it and returning it to the treasury (effectively the same as burning cash)?
        
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      <![CDATA[He should sue God for making him an idiot.
        
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      <![CDATA[As I have stated earlier, people who kill themselves (or, apparently *try* to) are DICKS. 

Dude is a fucking dick.
        
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      <![CDATA[Can I counter-sue this guy for illegally wasting my time and hard-earned tax money on a dodgey "suicide scam"?
        
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      <![CDATA[Punitive damages keep companies from just writing off lawsuits as just a cost of doing business. I'm not defending this boob's case, which will be heard (and denied) in a court, but to say that punitive damages should be eliminated is ridiculous. "Deformed or disabled" isn't what punitive damages are for; they are PUNITIVE -- punishment. Deformed or disabled would be a different kind of compensation.
        
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      <![CDATA[The cost of emergency transport really isn't that unreasonable if you factor in all of the elements involved. In Seattle EMS personel are required to be fully qualified fire-fighters before taking passing extensive emergency medical training. They are pretty much equivalent to an ER nurse in skill with fire-fighting abilities tacked on. The EMS aid-car is a rolling ICU. On the other hand, the drivers who do stable patient transfers in the less-equiped ambulance have med-tech certification and are equivalent to ER medical assistants.


If you call 911 they have to dispatch EMS which in Seattle involves the police, EMS and at least one fire truck. The fire truck comes in case doors need to be broken open to get to the victim and there are more of them so they are the first responders. After arrival, the EMS team evalutes the patient for acuity of need. If the patient has life-threatening condition or is very unstable he/she is transported via EMS. If EMS stablizes the patient or deems them stable at the scene they call in the aid car for transport. This system keeps the EMS teams more free to respond to multiple calls without bogging them down in routine patient transfer. Thus constituted the system is expensive to operate but of a such high quality Seattle is routinely used as the model for other cities wishing to improve their systems.

That said, there are very many people who abuse the system for a variety of reasons.
        
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      <![CDATA[I wonder how many people commit suicide over high medical bills?

Mind you, if I was a cop, I'd have done the same thing as they did.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is it possible that with i-1000 recently passed we can work on a solution for him?
        
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      <![CDATA[Didn't Ted Bundy work at the Crisis Clinic in the 70's?
        
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      <![CDATA[punitive damages should be abolished in cases where the person lives and isn't horribly deformed or disabled.
        
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      <![CDATA[He could have refused treatment. He was probably told to get in, did it, got a bill and now regrets it. If he truly doesn't have the means to pay, there is a sliding scale or low income payment plan he can enter into. If he's just trying to dodge his bill - lame. Suing, ever lamer.

Last time I went to the ER, I flagged a cab (which is really easy in my neighborhood). According to a friend that's an EMT, rides can run about $2,000 here.
        
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      <![CDATA[It isn't just a "suicide prevention hotline" it is the Crisis Clinic! It is the only one in King County, and they deal with a lot more than just suicide calls. Please show some respect for the oldest crisis line in the country and refer to this important Seattle institution by name.
        
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      <![CDATA[A typical ride in an ambulance is $750 or more.  It's a total ripoff, but that's the way it is.
        
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      <![CDATA[couldnt he call the suicide hotline from another location?

cops are not in the wrong here.
        
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      <![CDATA[damn you, ultra-slow work internet!
        
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      <![CDATA[sticking him with a hospital bill for deciding to ask for help rather than jump seems... counterproductive.

don't jump! call us & worsen your debt load instead!
        
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      <![CDATA[Wonderful. This is exactly how the city should be spending their money: paying for some whiny jagoff to be setup for life. Let's see how many nanoseconds it takes for the judge to throw this lawsuit off the proverbial Aurora Bridge.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wonderful. This is exactly how the city should be spending their money: paying for some whiny jagoff to be setup for life. Let's see how many nanoseconds it takes for the judge to throw this lawsuit off the proverbial Aurora Bridge.
        
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      <![CDATA[hrm, remove the hotlines, guy would have jumped, Darwin for the win!
        
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      <![CDATA[In Seattle, ambulances transport people who require very little pre-hospital care. You almost always have the right to suggest alternate means of transportation or refuse ambulance transport.

However, if you're involuntarily committed or in police custody, you lose that right.

Ambulance rides in Seattle cost a lot of money. Rides in any Seattle fire medic unit are free.

The fire department EMTs and paramedics cannot <i>force</i> you to do anything.
        
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      <![CDATA[Clearly, we need to open an office of Go Ahead and Kill Yourself.
        
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    <title><![CDATA[Re: Now He Has a Reason to Live]]></title>
    
    
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      <![CDATA[Wow hes lucky my student loans are around 50K.  But I guess I wont be heading to the Aurora bridge to sort things out.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:03 -0800</pubDate> 
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