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      <![CDATA[sorry, dan.  (i actually knew that about your kid and terry, i got the book.  apparently a lot of people didn't, because they believe your heinous lies about your age, but w'ev.)  <br><br>

there's not much portland did right in terms of planning since the 1970s, so i just had to boast a little.  we have a mildly bitter relationship with vancouver (washington) over their voting down our light-rail proposal over the river.  perhaps i unfairly conveyed some of that to the seattle scene, thinking, what is it with washingtonians and their unreasonable fear of light-rail?  <br><br>

so let me sell it to your compatriots:  <br><br>

light rail really *is* magic.  just do it, you'll be glad you did.  it does solve problems.  it doesn't solve the problem of crap-ass traffic on freeways, because no matter how many lanes you build, there will always be people to drive on them until they are uncomfortably packed and then immobilized.  it's the feeling of having *no choice* but to waste so much time in these wretched conditions that makes drivers unreasonable and dangerous.  <br><br>

folks used to bitch *constantly* here about the sunset highway and the banfield before the light rail went in, and now?  there's still some bitching, but it's not the furious, aggressive bitching of people who are trapped in a cage and can't get out.  it's the mild bitching of people who choose to drive in light of all available options and want something to bitch about.<br><br>

now people gripe about I-5 and 205, because it's the next place we need light rail.  good.  the people of milwaukie got their gripe in first and attended the planning meetings, so it looks like they're next on the list after the 205 line goes in.  hopefully the I-5 corridor will be next.<br><br>

the only people still bitching about the light rail we already invested in are angry redneck suburbanites who don't ride it.  every time a new proposal arrives, a few lunatics in the far-outlying areas vent some self-serving bullshit about how their statistics about light rail *prove unconditionally* what a waste of money it is, and the people of portland (apparently) roll their eyes and vote for it anyway.  which is why we have the world-class transportation system we have today. <br><br>

there will always be people who want instant gratification - in so very many things - but there is no instant solution to traffic.  the arrival of people will always outpace the capacity to transport them.  rail has much better potential to transport people in volume than roads have.  invest in rail.  it is safer, cheaper, it requires less money to maintain, and it is a better use of resources than roads.  and it's also a hell of a lot more rewarding to spend your commute reading the paper, sipping your coffee, cuddling your kid, making phone calls, and listening to music than snarling at the car in front of you.  we all know drivers do all those things are more, much more, when they shouldn't be.  on the train, you may annoy some people, but you're not annoying them *and* endangering their lives. <br><br>

don't be scared, washington residents.  embrace the future and vote that shit in.  you'll be glad you did.
        
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      <![CDATA[@37: My boyfriend is hot-as-snot, thanks, and does look great in a Speedo, thanks. But we don't hate Portland. He used to, because he'd only spent time in PDX back when his father was dying at OHSU, but the birth of our son at OHSU, and our frequent trips down to PDX ever since, turned him around.

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      <![CDATA[@28: I actually call her my "girlfriend" or "sweetheart."  "Partner" is Dan's phrase.
        
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      <![CDATA[I just can't believe that people would complain about CTA construction delays.  For years, the infrastructure was left to age and crumble.  Slow trains, squeeling rails.  Yeah, it sucks to get off a train and have to take a shuttle for a few weeks.  But over just the last few months, the system has had 40 years of wear and tear erased.   

I was in Chicago 2 weeks ago and couldn't believe how fast the new track was-- the red line hasn't moved that fast since I was a kid.  Then we reached the end of the repairs at about Wilson, and hit the brakes.  "Chugga-chugga-Sqeeeeel!"

By January, all those old slow zones are planned to be freshly tied track.  A sweet ride for the next few decades.

So if you are a Seattle person who just happened to hit Chicago during repairs, you got the shaft.  When you run a system for 130 years or so, it occasionally needs serious work.
        
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      <![CDATA[Priceless?  We can argue about the actual price tag all day, but the idea that ST2 is priceless...well, that makes me even less inclined to agree with you.

With or without ST2, Seattle will finally have our beloved train to the airport.  It'll be marginally more reliable than the current 194.  Maybe there will be fewer hobos; I don't really know yet.

ST2, if it passes, will be great for folks who commute from Redondo Beach to Overlake.  It'll be great for folks who choose to live about a billion miles away from their places of employment and have a work schedule rigid enough to accommodate Sounder schedules.

In short, it will be great for about two or three dozen people.  The city dwellers, the urbanites, the folks who ride transit every day and live in apartments?  Well, we get to pick up the price tag.

But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.  Chicago, San Francisco, and Portland are all very nice this time of year, and I'm sure they'd love to have you...
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan, you are so close. Come to Madison!
        
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      <![CDATA[i would like to point out, in a tone that is something between smug and insufferable, that the town you and your hot-as-snot, speedo-sporting husband *hate* (portland) DOES have a fast, reliable train from the airport to downtown.  for $2:30.  (it was $2, but they jacked it up on 1 sept to compensate for skyrocketing gas prices in the last fiscal quarter.)<br><br>

and we live in a COW TOWN.  <br><br>

take that!  bwa ha ha ha.
        
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      <![CDATA[With the construction, it took me an hour and a half on the train from O'Hare. Kind of sucked on a Sunday night, but it beats taking a cab - anyone who knows Chicago will tell you that the traffic there is as bad anywhere. Dan is whining about Seattle being worse than Chicago, but he'd be hysterics if he had to deal with Chicago traffic on a daily basis. That's not to say that Chicago doesn't have perks - Wrigley is awesome, and the architecture is very interesting - just to say that Dan is a passive-agressive whiner.
        
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      <![CDATA[@31: As long as you get the fuck out. That's the important thing.
        
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      <![CDATA[If you want a city to perve on I would recommend you check out Toronto.  God they have good public transit.
        
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      <![CDATA[@29 

Typical WA d-bag response - no rising to the defense of your hometown, just an apathetic farewell, or a a huffy "good riddance" . Similar to what the Sonics got when they got the fuck out of town.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love the view of the el from the hotels near the airport as dusk settles in.

It makes me think of what we could have been, but aren't.
        
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      <![CDATA[30:  I always love that "We hate you too, waahhhhhh, give me my toys back" shit that Seattle people try to dish out when somebody has the audacity to call Seattle out.  Boise trying to be SF.
        
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      <![CDATA[And we're counting the days until you leave, #29. I think it's the best for everyone involved.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wouldn't be a Seattle blog without a bunch of passive agressive pussies whining about real transit in a real city. I'm counting down the days until I get the fuck away from all of you. Let the whining begin - Seattle is NOT SF. It's not even Portland. Suck it.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan, I'm not ragging on your bro, but it really bugs me when straight people refer to their long-term significant other as their "partner."  Anyone other homo-slogs feel this way?
        
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I believe she is talking about the slow-zone repairs on the Blue Line bettween Jefferson Park and O'hare (In Chicago)
Some weekends and for two weeks in late summer they had shuttle buses running instead of the train between a few stops.
It was pretty annoying, but had to be done.
        
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      <![CDATA[sigh...it looks sunny and warm there...a beautiful autumn day.
        
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      <![CDATA[annie, I don't see where you're getting the idea of shuttle buses in between train segments. In the downtown transit tunnel - just the last few stops on the line - there will be buses in the tunnel separated from trains. From the airport to the international district, it's all trains.

And with ST2, you'll no longer see buses in the tunnel when the new rail lines open.

In addition, the 194 will no longer operate once Link opens. And we don't know if it'll even be 50c more expensive - the fare on Link hasn't been settled on.

Please be sure to be informed before voting!
        
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      <![CDATA[@21.  Knowing about the fact that your trip to O'Hare will take an hour and a half and require a shuttle transfer is helpful in reducing the odds that you'll miss your flight. But, it doesn't make it any less ridiculous that the trip will take that long.
        
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      <![CDATA[Also Add:
Come into my Whole Foods and I'll give you free shit!!
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh shit, people complaining about the CTA are everywhere.
I've been to a lot of towns, and rode numerous buses/trains... and NOTHING annoys me more than people complaining about the CTA.
Two lines run all night, the buses are fairly reliable (at least my Diversey and Belmont buses). It's not perfect, but no system is.
It is much better than Seattle's transit, that's for damn sure.
        
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      <![CDATA[Welcome back Dan!  Actually, if you keep apprised of the track work, the El is very reliable.  Slow zones are annoying, sure, but really not that bad... just look it up on the web before leaving.  The Orange line, being the last to be constructed, is absolutely reliable.  amy has no idea what she's talking about.

The buses, on the other hand, are abysmal.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thank you for informing us ignorant hicks what goes on in this crazy world, doggone it!
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:42:53 -0700</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[Cato the Younger Younger]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Heading to Chicago on Thursday...cann't WAIT!!!  Chicago is what Seattle dreams it could be!
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:33:20 -0700</pubDate> 
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