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      <title>Comments On: This Will Be a Showdown
    
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      <![CDATA[Cindi Laws is a hack.  Total talentless hack.  I'd love to see just one - one! - campaign "consulting" work product from her that isn't a baseless, crude and disrespectful (usually ad hominem) attack.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, Tom Carr's office <a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/this_is_what_happens_when_you_play_in_th">prosecuted me for obstruction</a> because I refused an officer's unlawful order to produce ID.  Except that, oh, wait, <a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/local/384829_portprotest25.html">that's not even a crime in Washington.</a>  So after dragging me through three preliminary hearings in Seattle Muni, they <a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/05/07/this-long-national-urban-golf-nightmare-is-finally-over">dropped the charge</a> on the day that the first contested hearing was scheduled to commence.<br />
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Your tax dollars at work, courtesy of Tom Carr's City Attorney's office.<br />
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But wait, there's more: the City of Seattle owes me a few grand in attorney's fees since I was arrested without probable cause.  More on that later.<br />
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Don't be lettin' the door hit you in the butt on the way out, Tom.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@think first <br />
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Well, Carr makes people in mental health court plead guilty to get services. Shoot, we've got people in jail from mental health court for 6 months for stealing a can of tuna. I suppose it's not too big of a stretch to belive that Carr made the Sobering Thought arrestees plead to something to avoid jail.<br />
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Still wonder how many lawsuits we are going to have from Carr's Operation Sobering Thought.<br />
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I do wonder if Carr regrets giving up the law to do a political photo op for his BFF Nickels on that one, though.
        
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      <![CDATA[You don't charge somebody with a "one-year jail term." You charge them with a gross misdemeanor, and if they are convicted of the gross misdemeanor, the maximum possible jail sentence is a year. However, it is pretty unusual for any municipal court defendant to get a year in jail, and it borders on impossible to think that any first-time offender would receive that maximum sentence. It's pretty typical at that level for first-time offenders (of lots of different types of crimes, including assault-DV, MIP, obstruction, and theft) to enter some kind of agreement that basically amounts to a small fine, a year of probation, and dismissal of the charge if they play by the rules for 12 months. So it's quite an exaggeration to say that any of the Sobering Thought defendants actually faced the possibility of a year in jail, and also something of an exaggeration to imply that it's some kind of failure on Carr's part that many of those cases resolved in exactly the same way most first-time offenders would resolve a gross misdemeanor charge.<br />
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This is not to say that Sobering Thought was a good idea in any way, just to give you a bit more background on what goes on in municipal court.
        
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      <![CDATA[Actually I am pretty sure most of the Sobering Thought arrestees took agreements where they stipulated what was alleged in the police reports were true but that if they were good boys and girls they wouldn't serve jail time or have convictions on their records.... Similar to what ECB did with her shoplifting charge from what I hear.<br>
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This is precisely why SLOG reader opinions on City Attorney are as useless as tits on a boar.<br>
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Oh, and for Holmes saying the City Attorney should just 'concede' on things like the busking law.. the city charter requires the City Attorney to defend the city and its laws whether he/she agrees or not. To do less would be a legal, moral, and ethical violation of their duties. <br>
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Holmes will cost this city big time if he becomes CA!
        
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      <![CDATA["Not only has Carr's campaign doubted that Holmes's background as a bankruptcy attorney is inadequate"<br />
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I suppose you mean "adequate?" Otherwise, strangely supportive argument from the opposition.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow, way to steal from publicola, kids.
        
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      <![CDATA[Great, a bankruptcy lawyer. The looney left will love him; the perfect leader for irresponsible, 'someone else made me do it' losers.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2 Any lawsuits from Operation Sobering Thought, yet?
        
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      <![CDATA[Hey Carr, I hope you're reading this:<br />
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You deserve to lose, and I think deep down you know it yourself.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Use your brain.]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Operation Sobering Thought: 17 arrests. 0 convictions.<br>
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Fucking ZERO.<br>
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And Carr holds that up as a success! Can't wait to see what a failure looks like. Oh wait, Carr knows he's never failed at anything...<br>
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Vote for Holmes.
        
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