http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/07/11/re-bikes-and-guns Comments On: Re: Bikes and Guns by Eli Sanders en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:45:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Ackham]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:18:31 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Ackham]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:18:02 -0700 The Stranger Posted by chong]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:28:29 -0700 The Stranger Posted by MarkM]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:51:23 -0700 The Stranger portervillerecorder.com for the ugly details.

Now, those same voters are saying, among other things, that no rights were changed by Prop 8, yet their representatives argued before the CA Supreme Court that the People do have the right to remove existing rights from people via the Initiative Process and a popular vote.

The implication, which could not be less American in its principle, is that all minorities have rights only by the grace of the majority, and that is subject to change at anytime, not something anyone can rely on, should the minorities get too uppity.

This is not what Rights mean in our jurisprudence system dating back almost 1000 years, but it seems to be how some people think of them when they are not at the pointy end of the stick.
Posted by PortervilleNerd]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:48:14 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Andy_Squirrel]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:30:01 -0700 The Stranger Posted by yucca flower]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:59:40 -0700 The Stranger
Um, if you were trying to prove that "guns make us safer," I'm afraid you failed miserably. It's the easy availability of guns that turns all those incidents from sad cases of isolated losers into epic tragedies.

Of course, if you were trying to say that we are better off avoiding churches, and that Christians should never be issued firearms, then I wholeheartedly agree.
Posted by Gurldoggie]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:28:02 -0700 The Stranger
Fewer guns = less criminal violence. I don't think there has ever been a study that has shown otherwise. Concealed guns are a red herring, since they don't increase or decrease the number of guns people have.

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs…
Posted by lizzie]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:35:49 -0700 The Stranger Posted by stick with your band and not this crap]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:58:53 -0700 The Stranger every state that has enacted "shall issue" concealed carry laws has seen a decrease in the violent crime rate. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:26:02 -0700 The Stranger
(i'm not sure what i think about it. even Gunnut may acknowledge that not all people should carry guns while riding, but only those who are properly prepared. such an argument, however, would lend credence to the view that licenses and restrictions are necessary... blah blah blah....)

also, rights cannot be granted or they are not rights. this may just be semantic, and in most cases practice may be rather similar to principle. but it sets a clear delineation in the mind and in law regarding how to handle these issues. i do think language is, at time, important in this way.


Posted by in-frequent]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:24:31 -0700 The Stranger http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?… only include those for faculty, students and staff. I can't find anything that mentions general public.

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(2) Disciplinary action which may result in dismissal from the university will be initiated against faculty, staff, or students who violate these rules, in accordance with the applicable disciplinary codes or other appropriate due process procedures.

Posted by idaho]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:21:30 -0700 The Stranger
Really? Try telling that to Jeanne Assam, see if you can get her to believe that: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/20…

Whoa, looks like it's not an isolated incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanintere…

This is a big scary world, and sadly, there are some bad and crazy people in it... I don't give a shit about their mental issues or how disadvantaged they were growing up... A gun is just a tool, nothing more nor less, and when bad crazy people start acting up, you better HOPE there's an informed citizen somewhere about who is not hysterical over the use of a tool...........


Posted by merry]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:08:21 -0700 The Stranger
The cop insisted that he knew the real story, and it wasn't what the media reported. There was indeed a fight (and the cop didn't deny that the gun nut started it), but at some point the gun nut's gun became visible - he didn't draw it, instead someone spotted it in his holster, or tucked into the waistband of his underoos, or something. Anyway, other people started grabbing for his gun, and there was a fight to get control of it.

That's when the gun nut lost control of it, and in the scuffle it went off. He wasn't pistol-whipping the other dude after all.

And yet... and yet.

As a gun-totin' gun nut, you have a VERY BIG FUCKIN' RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO LOSE CONTROL OF YOUR GUN OR YOUR TEMPER!

So the cop's side of the incident doesn't change a goddamn thing. The gun nut got mad, got in a fight, and three innocent people got hurt.

So Mr Colleton, exactly how is anyone safer, even yourself, when you bring a visible loaded gun into public view? What precautions will you be taking to make sure nobody gets hurt, and nobody attempts to wrestle your own gun away from you?

Are you some kinda super-cool emotionless Vulcan dude who swears not to ever, ever lose your temper?

Do you have some kinda kryptonite-based super-strong buckle on your holster, so nobody can wrestle your gun away?

Or are you just another dim-bulb gun nut with a very, very bad idea and no common sense? Oh wait, never mind.
Posted by Dr_Awesome]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:40 -0700 The Stranger
You are correct in saying that this is a semantic beef, and it strikes me as kind of a strange and petty one. It seems like a kind of political correctness, meant more to control what other people say than to provide any kind of insight or understanding.
Posted by Lee]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:32:18 -0700 The Stranger
I have a semantic beef with the gay rights movement in that they are seeking a granting of rights.. they should not seek that, rather we should insist on a recognition of a right we have always had inherently but which has been denied by a political majority.

“The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to "create" rights. Rather, they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting.” William J. Brennan, Jr.
Posted by myr]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:22:24 -0700 The Stranger Posted by yuk yuk]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:25:34 -0700 The Stranger
Is that the same as this guy?


Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:29:23 -0700 The Stranger
have we seen pics of this fine young man yet? i bet he's a looker.
i'd blow him if he is uncut.
Posted by brokn2pieces]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:16:25 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Lord Basil]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:35:42 -0700 The Stranger
There is no good reason to carry a loaded gun into a crowd of 10,000 athletes, spectators and their families. None. You want to "celebrate your rights" dumbass? Vote. Serve on a jury. Buy a subversive book. Work for the charity of your choice. Don't be bringing the threat of sudden violent death into an unsuspecting crowd of people. That's not a right worth celebrating, that's a tragedy waiting to happen.

You people have lost your ability to see common fucking sense. Guns do not make us safer. I don't care how you twist your reasoning to support your poisonous conclusions. More guns in the streets means more dead people. Period.
Posted by Gurldoggie]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:15:24 -0700 The Stranger
Yes, rights can be granted. You may dispute the authority of the grantor, but that does not change the fact that they have or have not granted you rights.

Not contradictory in the least.
Posted by Lee]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:36:56 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Taylor Harrison]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:08:08 -0700 The Stranger
http://laist.com/2009/07/11/rider_shot_d…
Posted by California]]> Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:31:45 -0700 The Stranger