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      <title>Comments On: My Point
    
      by Charles Mudede</title>
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      <![CDATA[I think Brandon Gorrell is an excellent 'poet' of 'sprawl.'
        
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      <![CDATA[PS -- Joel Garreau wrote about these "in-between areas" in his book "Edge City" twenty years ago, and Tom Wolfe (who coined the term) more than FORTY years ago. They are indeed where virtually all of the growth and intellectual and cultural life of America (such as it is) has taken place since then. I don't think Sievert gets to say he discovered them. <br />
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There is a long tradition of writing about these vital places from people like Grady Clay and Robert Venturi. It's kind of the polar opposite of "New Urbanism", but, unlike New Urbanism, Edge Cities actually work, despite being impossibly dysfunctional; in fact, what we call "dysfunction" is really just a failure to accord with our preconceived notions; in reality, they function brilliantly, even with their crazy traffic jams and parking lots and toxic waste ground. They're actually closer in spirit to the chaotic cities of the Third World in a lot of ways.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mm, I'm not sure you're right about Seattle. Certainly the REGION is getting dramatically less white, but the city? The north half couldn't get whiter, and the much more integrated CD and Rainier Valley are both gentrifying. Almost all of the immigration action is in places like Kent, or way out in Mill Creek and places like that. <br />
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There was a thing in the paper the other day about the percentage of white students in the public schools, and the city of Seattle's percentage, unlike every other district in the region, went UP in the past five years. It's still white-minority (because so many of the white kids go to private schools, which should be illegal) but places like Kent, Renton, Skyway, White Center, etc. are going rapidly to large minority-majorities. This is partly because of gentrification but largely because of immigration. Immigrants can't afford Seattle. And the poorer black population of Seattle proper is selling to whites and getting out.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks, Charles. I also think a poet of sprawl is not only possible, but a poetry of sprawl is already being written. For instance, Matthew McIntosh's great book about Federal Way: "Well." And I think Walt Whitman could be seen as a precursor to the poetry of sprawl.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[B Strand]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Wish all of your posts were this comprehensible and interesting.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Jude Fawley]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And from another direction,<br />
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" 'I have filled innumerable notebooks with phrases to be used when I have found the true story, the one story to which all these phrases refer. But I have never yet found that story. And I begin to ask, Are there stories?' "(said Bernard)<br />
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-Woolf, The Waves
        
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      <![CDATA[For a moment there, Charles...  you kind of blew my mind.<br />
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Thank you for that.<br />
I chuckled at the part where you suggest how every region sees itself as the center of its surroundings, an obvious truth that occasionally still needs pointing out.
        
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