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      <![CDATA[I am absolutely disgusted by this. I am from NYC and I currently live in Cheyenne Wyoming where everyone says that they are tolerant. It is easy to be tolerant where 79% percent of the population are White and Republican. There is a great deal of racism in Wyoming, but the thing that bothers me the most is what people see in blacks and in the Latin communities is what they fail to see in their own backyards. I live in a town where drugs, alcoholism and out of wedlock teen pregnancy is prevalent, 36 girls in Central HS alone and that does not count the fathers of the babies. Most of the crimes are committed by Whites and many of the adult women in this town are parents to kids from different fathers. I am a women of mixed race, Black and Spanish Jewish. I do not indulge in alcohol, party all hours of the night and I have one child through a marriage which in this place is something that is rare. I have a degree but cannot find work because when I go in for interviews they see the color of my skin and my Star of David around my neck. I have friends who are here not out of choice but because of military duty, which I may add are mostly black and latin not whites. They serve their country so that most of the whites in this town can blood suck off of the welfare systems.
        
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      <![CDATA[we all bleed red  or do you bleed blue these are kids we are in the year 2009 not 1960  you rasist asshole children come on i wish it was one of mine you would have a pool or a job
        
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      <![CDATA[its not because they are black. if that was the case they wouldn't be let in in the first place. it was because they abused the privilege of going somewhere nice. they ruined their opportunity because they were rude and disrupted the relaxed atmosphere of the club. they likely didn't know any better; they were inner city youth, and if the "how to act when we go to nice places" talk has never been given, they are going to just go horse around. they are kids. that's what kids do unless they are taught better. people need to stop trying to target this country club as racist, because they just don't like kids of any color being disrespectful and obnoxious.
        
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      <![CDATA[MARTIN LUTHER KING DREAM HAS NOT COME TRUE YET. WHERE BLACK KIDS AND WHITE KIDS ARE ALL EQUAL.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think this story is so sad and Whites really need to face reality and realize this race shit is not getting them any where. Get a fucking grip on LIFE you fucking retarts
        
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      <![CDATA[@97 Huh, I happen to know many of the types I described living far outside the reaches of Capitol Hill, StupidWhiteMen. I'm not naive.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wooooaaaah! #106 You said Black adult men seem to travel at night more than other groups.....?  WTF?  What type of quickly stitched up logic is that?  Did some MIT program devote a census group to the shit that's falling out of your ass?<br>
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      <![CDATA[RE:  #100.  Neither of us has the time to interview everyone coming down the street our way to determine whether they may or may not be hostile.  Hence, we make decisions based on how people of certain groups behave from prior experience.  If most black adult men have been involved with the justice system (and highly unlikely from just auto stops, whole other conversation since they tend to drive more at night vis a vis other groups), then we come to quick conclusions about the person coming down the street our way.  People are pretty smart when it comes to personal safety.  This is what is at the core of the pool issue.  Ever been in a pool full of black kids?  Didn't think so.  I have.
        
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      <![CDATA[We absolutely do NOT know all the facts in this story, but I do know that many people who suffer guilt and shame over their own racism, however slight it may be, find it cathartic to point fingers and judge others for the same, so it is to be expected that those people would jump on this regardless of knowledge.  Eat it up, kiddos!  But my take is this:<br />
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1.  Private clubs should be able to restrict their membership and who comes to their facilities any way they choose.  If they want to have a club exclusively for people named "Bob", that should be their right.   They're PRIVATE clubs.  Just like we enjoy the right to maintain control over who enters our PRIVATE residences.  Freedom of association and all that good stuff.<br />
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2.  If the story is as simplistic as it's presented to us (which I doubt), I would rather be sent away and have my money refunded rather than contribute to a club that does not truly welcome or respect me.  It would appear that the club is hurting for money or they wouldn't be renting out the facilities, so any offended parties could have the last laugh really.<br />
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3.  As someone else said, I would be more than anxious to get out a pool where any group of 60 children just arrived on a bus en masse.  In fact, any group of 60 anybodies from Philly would send me towards the door. <br />
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4.  I would tend to imagine from the naive and self-righteous comments that most commenters here have never been in a situation where a number of whites or Asians start showing up at a club or party that had been predominantly black before the arrival of the whites or Asians.  Otherwise you would likely be shrugging your shoulders over this story.   It's part of the way of the world.<br />
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5.  Why the hell did this group choose an INDOOR swimming pool in July anyhow?  Aren't those for December?    Let the kids be outside in the summertime!   It just sounds like poor planning and bad decisions all around.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love the fact that someone who moved from Philly to Palm Springs (#41) is disparagingly referring to an area "right outside" Philly as a "white flight enclave". <br>
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Not every area can be a multi-cultural tapestry of races and socio-economic groups like Palm Springs, you know. <br>
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      <![CDATA[<b>mcbfl</b> when you say <i>black people tend to travel in herds and black kids can't seem to behave</i> you're engaging in exactly the kind of spurious racial generalization that is used to justify segregation. Even if you've known ill behaved African American children, how certain are you that their lack of manners stems from their melanin content, or that all kids who grow up in a black American culture are so afflicted?<br />
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Granted, It's a natural things for us humans to make such simplistic generalizations, and they've served us well in natural environments to, say, presume all red, yellow and black-striped snakes can kill us (and we've been doing this long enough for less-lethal snakes to develop the same stripes as a defense), but since we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pluralistic civilizations, its become inappropriate to take such generalizations as truth until grounded in analyzed fact. It's made more difficult since the media often filters our news to confirms these belief systems.
        
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      <![CDATA[@88 Do you know who else hangs out in "herds"? White people.<br />
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Anyway, using the word "herd" to describe a group of black people suggests that they are animals and not humans. What is the opposite of anthropomorphism? That's what you're doing.
        
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      <![CDATA[Seattleites are clearly morally superior to other whites, and thus have more right to condemn the racism of other whites.  All black folks, please take notice of the moral superiority of the Seattle whites!<br />
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Because as we know, when they did have a large population of minorities here, in the Northwest, why the whites here <br />
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      <![CDATA[Not quite the point. "Involved with the criminal justice system" is a silly statement (speeding is a crime, after all). The employment study (from 2001 I believe) suggested that among identically trained and poised men, employers hired black men at similar rates to hiring white men with felonies. In other words, in order for a black man to be as attractive to an employer as a white man, the white needed to be handicapped with a felony conviction.
        
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      <![CDATA[black = white + felony is correct.  over 75% of adult black men have been involved with the criminal justice system.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love all the "there must be more to this story" posts. As an employment discrimination attorney, and someone with some experience in Philly (don't take my word for it: what say you, Bill Burr? http://www.phillysportsforums.com/forums&hellip;), I can tell you that blatant racism exists. One of my favorite studies is this one: http://www.jobbankusa.com/News/Hiring/hi&hellip;<br>
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      <![CDATA[Wow, it shocks me every time I read comments about racial issues on Slog. <br />
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I moved here four years ago from Ohio, right after the 2004 election. When I first moved here it seemed utopian... at last I'd found my people! So long, Ohio, you red-voting bunch of red-necks! Seattle is filled with nerds and dorks and fags and queers and punks and dykes and ex-Mormans and ex-Catholics... here I'm surrounded by fellow outcast refugees all settled in our promised land.<br />
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But every time racial issues are discussed on Slog, there leaks out that insidious, back-handed racism, the kind of racism that comes from people who would never use the n-word, and say "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" People who claim to "just be stating the facts."<br />
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It makes me sad that my chosen home-town, the one I love and will never leave, can be more racist than anything I experienced growing up in Cleveland, a town famous for race-riots. Seriously people.
        
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This is a very sad situation for the kids.  I've finished ranting and raving -- with not a whole lot of facts to go on.  Now I've decided that the best thing I can do right now is send a check to the Girard School which is the bright spot in this story.  They are taking all the kids and making sure they have a good summer experience.  I suspect they'll need a little extra financial support to make a quick transition into adding a new program.  Anyone have the address for Girard?<br>
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      <![CDATA[When you say "racist"... you must be referring to all-black clubs like BET - black entertainment television?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[For the last time, you kids get offa my lawn!]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["So many people have their head in the sand. Black kids are less well behaved. That is a simple fact."<br>
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Do you know who are the worst behaving kids? So called "Christian" kids. They have never been taught how to behave.
        
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