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      <![CDATA[@4: sorry, meant @5
        
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      <![CDATA[@6 - SCCC, like all other community colleges, is normally exempt from many municipal and county regs - state colleges and universities operate under state law in a number of key ways.
        
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      <![CDATA[there is something very ironic about the Stranger cheering legislation that protects a ONE STORY buildings in the most dense neighborhood north of SF which currently house a bunch of expensive CARS that very few people can afford all in the name of protecting "character."  Is it just me, or is there a hell of a lot of irony here?
        
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      <![CDATA[Hooray for real reporting and information.
        
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      <![CDATA[So how many of these old buildings have been retrofitted to meet building codes for earthquakes? Because old buildings packed full of people are great and all, at least until the ground shakes and the unreinforced masonry collapses and everybody inside is killed.
        
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      <![CDATA[As if Seattle doesn't have enough crosses to bear...now, it has to keep around a bunch of old crappy buildings that are firetraps.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@13 - you can have a smoke shop. or you can have a subway.<br />
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not both.
        
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      <![CDATA[all buildings should have subways and smoke shops<br />
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whats the problem here
        
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      <![CDATA[Old buildings are a necessary part of the mix, because only old buildings are capable of renting for the low amounts that make a diverse neighborhood use possible. The idea is to have a MIX. You're spot on here, Dominic.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5, And yet as these places are losing ground in Pike/Pine they are gaining ground in Georgetown. What you really need is more lax zoning so you can have clubs and the like in more industrial spaces. Good clubs and art spaces are never in the high rent core of a city, they are in the spaces ignored and left behind. Trying to keep places the same use, is, in the long run, the best way to kill culture. <br />
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Look to Sodo, Beacon Hill, and Georgetown and places to encourage this kind of use. <br />
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@9 Adam2Adam? What?<br />
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And the places there now looked just as drab when they were built as the new stuff does now. Most decades see only a few really interesting buildings built. Don't confuse familiar with architecturally interesting.
        
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      <![CDATA[If people wouldnt' buy ugly, they wouldn't build ugly -- maybe people in seattle just have poor taste and low standards?
        
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      <![CDATA[@4:  Hey!  That's one of your Adam4Adam pics! :-)<br />
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      <![CDATA[The only thing keeping building heights low on Capitol Hill is the elevation and the giant antennae and flight paths, IMHO.<br />
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      <![CDATA[baconcat - you got any more of that?  studies? links to PDFs? are you in the "development community" or city gov? i'm a law student and interested in looking closely at zoning regulations.  i get the jane jacobs perspective that Dom is pulling for--and i support it--but i am not sure whether/what kind of protected zoning pike-pine requires to stay the fun neighborhood that it is. <br />
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dunn's proposal seems a lot like the city's transfer of development rights program downtown.  and it seems like the transaction costs involved in those schemes get pretty high pretty quickly.  sometimes the people that benefit most in elaborate height swaps are the attorneys--not that there is anything wrong with that.  but the city should certainly aim higher.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5: You aren't talking about turn of the century carbarns or old warehouses, you're talking about things that were built about the time your parents were born. They grew away from the multi-use functions of older buildings and warehouses to the point that they did away with pitched roofs and functional floorplans for what amounts to concrete piers under a flat roof. And Pike-Pine was never a true auto-row, either, those cinder-block buildings came up at the expense of dozens of older more classic buildings. <br />
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What you're proposing and what developers are proposing is a neighborhood of high rent floorspace with limited density. It's the same trick hand as they're playing with the mother-in-law cottages, pretending they'll serve some higher purpose when the reality is that they're subsidizing other uses by slipping them in with "green" or "new urban" projects. Just as the mother-in-law cottage proposal is to sneak back relaxed townhome regulations, the pike-pine corridor overlay is seeking to strip affordable housing rules and impose strict density controls so that density stays far enough below demand that prices shoot up. It gets around the city's previous attempts at mandating a certain amount of affordable housing by letting the market dictate price.<br />
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Just look at how the SCCC parking structure is sticking around, even with light rail coming in under a decade. And look at how the new rules protect it.<br />
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You think you're getting affordable and fun density, but you're basically complicit in what amounts to city-mandated inorganic gentrification.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 4) Just because a building is old does not mean that it's run down or useless (a mix of uses, rental rates and building styles are essential for density). It comes down to how a building functions. In a warehouse space, you can put in a night club, a big restaurant, a theater, a music venue, a loud bar. A city needs these things--it is the lifeblood of culture--and there are very few areas where they can thrive. You cannot build a noisy bar or nightclub inside a dense apartment building. Nonetheless, the bars promotes density around them. But without theater and art and music and food and all the wonderful things that people love in cities, there would be nothing worth living near, and then no incentive for density.
        
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      <![CDATA[I really don't get the fetish people have for old rundown buildings. Just because its old does not mean its special. <br />
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Tear them down and build some tall dense buildings.
        
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