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      <![CDATA[this is one reason why, when you had to live with an annoying eco-conscious roommate/dormmate, they would argue and preach against you buying most of the household cleaning agents on supermarket shelves.  Fuckin' hippies, right?
        
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      <![CDATA[@4 read "Our Stolen Future" It will cover the subject more thoroughly and scientifically than a couple paragraphs on Slog.<br />
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None of us are who we would have been if not for these chemicals.  Every baby on Earth's development is altered by these chemicals since we started synthesizing plastics.  Some people that would have been straight are gay because of them.  Some people that would have been gay are straight.  People that would have been men are women, or feel like they are women.  Estrogen mimicking endocrine disrupting chemicals cause changes in behavior and development at a ratio of 1 part per billion in lab rats.  <br />
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This is a very well documented and concealed subject.  The lack of news coverage over endocrine disrupters is a conspiracy.  Cleaning our bodies of these poisons, and ceasing production of them would seriously harm corporation’s ability to make profits.  We would also have to rework our entire world civilization.<br />
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Undescended testicles may fix themselves, but for every obvious deformation, there may be less obvious problems.  Will the testicles produce the right hormones?  Will the boy develop the way he was supposed to, or will he be stuck in a body that doesn’t suit his mind?<br />
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I’m all for the scientific method, but sometimes being pretty sure is good enough reason to take action when the consequences are so sweeping and disastrous.   <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[The end is coming in less than 3 years anyway, so we might as well do all the drugs we can get our hands and fuck like crazy...<br />
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<a href="http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661/video">http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810045661&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large US city,<br>
there's a big undeground homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa,<br>
for an example. Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart.<br>
You can't build on it; you can't grow anything in it. The government<br>
says it's due to poor farming. But I know what's really going on,<br>
Stuart. I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens.<br>
They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to<br>
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      <![CDATA[Related:  Do you all remember when there was all the shock and dismay that fire-retardant was found in breastmilk?  It seems that either not everyone heard about that or didn’t connect it all.  The issue with the fire-retardant wasn’t so much about the fire-retardant as it was about how everything we eat, inhale, touch, gets absorbed into our bodies and in many cases stays around.  Some severe chemicals can get into our DNA, but even the not-so-severe chemicals can leave traces in our bodies for a very long time.  I commend Julie above and other women for your desire to be as clean as possible during your potential pregnancies and I don’t want to discourage – because as good as you can do is better than not trying.  However, it’ll take years upon years upon decades and possibly centuries to recover from what we’ve done to ourselves.  <br />
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Consider that right now, I am carrying the eggs that may become my grandchildren.  I am pregnant with a girl and she has all her eggs developing right now.  So anything I am exposed to can/will affect them.  That may not be interesting or amazing to anyone but me, I know, but think of it this way: go back two generations.  What were your grandmothers exposed to when pregnant with your parents?  What was your mother exposed to and how will that affect your babies?  <br />
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It seems you can live as cleanly as possible, but some damage may already have been done long ago.  It’s a little depressing.  --Or maybe if people thought about the scope of our pollution (even if only in the concrete visuals of malformed penises), we’d all be growing our own food, mopping with vinegar, using only natural light and walking everywhere.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[I suggest we recycle the hormones into whatever Fnarf's favorite soft drink is.<br />
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That will kill two birds with one stone.
        
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      <![CDATA[@37: Birth control via hormonal manipulation still makes good sense. We just have to figure out how to degrade the byproducts in treatment systems before releasing the effluent.
        
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      <![CDATA[@37.  It seems to me the most environmentally-friendly method that will work is the snip.  Every boy at 12-ish gets the snip and when he is ready to have kids, gets it repaired.  Condoms pollute, hormones are bad, IUDs can occasionally cause damage... this seems rather reasonable.<br />
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(And for those one or two who will want to scold or scoff -- I'm being facetious...)<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[(not that I'm anti-birth control, by the way, I just think it's ironic).  Maybe it's time to rethink birth control via hormonal control.  That's all.
        
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      <![CDATA[Anyone else catch the irony in the fact that all the hormones/contraceptives with hormones that everyone has been on to make sure we only get preggers when the "time is right" and we can "control every thing going into our bodies" are part of the reason these things are happening to teh little baybies?
        
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      <![CDATA[We see the decline of all animals. Why not us, the cause?<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[These chemicals have been increasing the risks of breast, ovarian, and cervical cancer too.  I remember watching a BBC documentary on environmental estrogen contamination and this was a boring little side note to the OMG this is bad for men and their reproductive system track the documentary took.  What's a little cancer compared to having fewer swimmers?<br>
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All kidding aside, if this is what it takes to get the masculinity obsessed right wing to give a crap about the environment, that's a good thing.
        
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      <![CDATA[All the more reason to develop alternative fuels.  <br />
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one that sees the rise of petrochemicals since 1850 and the simultaneous increase in environmental pollutants as being related.  It's not just fuel: it's plastics and their derivatives that are used everywhere,  even the keyboard I'm typing on!  (pesticides & herbicides use petrochemicals too)<br />
It just seems so obvious that surrounding ourselves with the matter we've extracted from the remains of other living creatures, who died from causes that are still not truly explained, might be a problem.<br />
Global warming and birth defects are just the symptoms of widescale poisoning, and it's pretty clear what that poison is.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[So was I. Yum, I love shrimp.
        
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      <![CDATA[29:<br />
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      <![CDATA[@26 - actually, yes, a book written in 1999 does tell us about most of these things, and the recommendations are still good.<br />
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That said, you do buy all your produce from organic farmers at the locally grown stands at your farmers' market, don't you?<br />
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The things that were said back in the 70s still apply - plastics r bad, local organic food b good, packaging b bad, recycling b good.<br />
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Toss me another factory-farmed shrimp on the global-warming-enhancing wood BBQ will you?
        
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      <![CDATA[I love the blind misandry Dan's title provokes in some of the commenters here.  Read the linked article, ladies... This affects you too.
        
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      <![CDATA[Julie, I wish you luck in your endeavor. Many have gone before you, and failed.
        
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      <![CDATA[@21 You're just precious.<br />
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Is there anything you don't blame Obama for?<br />
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I can almost imagine the little plastic ring on a string coming out of your back. Pull....  "Obama blah blah blah"<br />
Pull...  "Obama blah blah blah..."
        
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      <![CDATA[Will - Dude, I was being <i>nice</i> to someone who added something <i>interesting</i> to the conversation.  I know <i>interesting</i> might be a foreign concept to you, but some of us appreciate it when people's comments here aren't just gibberish.<br />
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      <![CDATA[I'm going to bet that, before blaming the pollutants that come from agriculture and large-scale production plants, people are going to blame the synthetic estrogen from birth control.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yes, only when dicks are affected will the dicks in charge actually consider really changing their rape of mother earth.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:15 -0700</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[Sili]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Usually I'd clap my hands and do a little dance about anything that ensures the failure of the human race to breed so bloody much.<br />
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Sadly, this affects just about every other veretbrate on the planet, too. (And indubitably any number of invertebrates.)<br />
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Bugger.<br />
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Of course, you just know that the republans are gonna use this as an excuse to further limit availability of contraception.
        
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          Posted by <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Profile?oid=1519932">Sili</a>]]>
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      <![CDATA[If this is true, it's likely gender identity (and possibly sexual orientation) will be the first thing to be affected.<br />
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This is pretty much impossible to experiment on in humans due to ethics, but it's almost certain that lifelong gender identity is determined by fetal hormones during a very short critical period (sometime from days to weeks while the fetus is in the womb).<br />
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We can easily control a rat's permanent gender identity during fetal development by either injecting androgen (testosterone) and causing a lifelong male gender identity, or blocking androgen and causing a lifelong female gender identity.  Nothing unusual has to be done to these rats except during a short period of natal development.<br />
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A "male" rat (with a vagina, genetically female, but injected with androgen during fetal development) will completely exhibit stereotyped male behaviors -- from mimicking other males to humping female rats.  A "female" rat (with a penis, genetically male, with an androgen blocker during fetal development) will show completely "female" behaviors.<br />
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So, in short, due to these endocrine disruptors in our environment, we can probably expect to see a huge rise in FTM's and MTF's.  These are "invisible" changes that you can't determine by looking a baby's genitals, but will probably be much more common than abnormalities like hypospadias.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:38:30 -0700</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[Too bad global concerns aren't any more of a priority for Obama than equal rights and health care are. Obama = the biggest bait n switch in recent US history.
        
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