http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/25/once-youve-had-crack-you-never-go-back Comments On: Once You've Had Crack You Never Go Back by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:00:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss "Men will enjoy sex with other men, if there is no social censure"
Can you name at least one person who changed its orientation just because it's acceptable now in society? If I'm wrong then I'll eat my vibrator
Posted by vibrator]]> Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:03:54 -0700 The Stranger In the case I'm wrong, I'll by a vibrator...not too bad.
Posted by vibrator]]> Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:54:29 -0700 The Stranger
Folks that like to use Rome as a reason why we should keep gays in the closet really should be forced to go back to school and not allowed to ditch their history classes...but then again, these people live in a state of forced stupidity. Ignorance is curable. An ignorant person can be educated. But someone who is truly stupid, whether by physical reasons or because they refuse to learn the facts and stick to falsehoods that are spoon fed to them by their masters, is incapable of learning, no matter how many times they are educated with the facts of the matter. If their masters were to tell them that the sky was paisley, no amount of empirical evidence would convince them that the sky was blue (or any other color for that matter). It's a real shame too. America went from being one of the smartest nations in the world to trodding down the path that puts us in a lower ranking than 3rd world nations.
Posted by Woad]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:43:37 -0700 The Stranger Posted by i'm pro-science and i vote]]> Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:15:21 -0700 The Stranger
The original excerpt and the comments by Lovechild (or whatever) reminded me strongly of an op/ed piece in my local paper today. This person was ranting about the bailouts of the banks etc. and I was happily reading along and agreeing with 90+% of what he said till I got to the last paragraph where he calmly stated that if we just put prayer back in the schools, and stopped teaching evolution in our schools, and turned to God then America would be saved from destruction.

HALT.....INSTANT BRAINFART

I can't see what Prayer,Evolution, and God have to do with stupid human decisions any more than I can see where LC gets the assertion that gays and licentiousness were the reason for the destruction of the Roman Empire.

Kim and Theo have both made excellent and knowledgable postings that are historically accurate (and having been raised by a PHD in History believe me I should know) so I'm gonna have to agree that LC needs to go back to the mothership and tell them it ain't workin. Aren't circular arguments wonderful.

One of my favorite Sci-Fi books has a scene in it where a preacher is trying to convince a society that is totally secular and has NO religions that God is responsible for all the beauty they see. A teen boy tells him that he could assert that " The Fairies made the flowers" and when asked to prove it he could point to the flowers. But as he observes, the existence of the flowers IN NO WAY proves the existence of the fairies. The argument is completely circular and is actually nothing more than a statement of belief.

I don't mean this as an insult to those who are Christians but I tend to be very sceptical of explanations based on "Faith" or the Bible. My other parent was a Baptist Preacher who unintentionally taught me far more about the inconsistancies and contradictions of religion and The Bible than he taught me about belief.

Trying to explain (or should that be JUSTIFY) cultural and sociological events using religious beliefs with an extremely limited or even non-existent understanding of the society you are talking about never works and only makes the religionist look like a total idiot.

This is only about the 5000th reason to suppress the gays that I've run across in "Defending the Sanctity of Marriage" and I hate to say it but with a nationwide divorce rate hovering close to 60% it looks to me like the straight people are doing a wonderful job of screwing marriages up without needing to blame it on the gay/bi community. Or maybe they're all getting divorces so they can become gay. (Not likely)

To use a Biblical quote just for LC......

"Remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the mote from your neighbor's eye."

BTW...I loved all of your comments especially Rob's who kept reminding LC that Christianity was the religion of the empire when it fell. Makes you wonder doesn't it.....grin.

Later..................Ponyboy924
Posted by Ponyboy924]]> Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:49:20 -0700 The Stranger From what I know, lots of men enjoy the hairiness of another man over the imagined smooth hairlessness of women, and yes, even the so-called straight men. It's that difference that can be extremely attractive to many men.

If you ask me, men who are turned on to hairless twinks are closet pedophiles.
Posted by wallydanger]]> Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:53:45 -0700 The Stranger
And I'd love a world where the straight male population was cut by more than half. God bless him. Sold. I hope it happens.
Posted by Selling straight men on gay marriage]]> Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:33:38 -0700 The Stranger Well, I'm not sure exactly which record you're referring to, but you should tell that to many of my lesbo friends (I'm a lesbian, so I can say "lesbo") who seem to date only straight women. They seem to enjoy the company of other women quite well, thank you.
Posted by lesbo is a bad word]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:51:55 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Phoebe]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:20:30 -0700 The Stranger Posted by McGee]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:26:51 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:47:22 -0700 The Stranger
Please do not feed the trolls

Pass it on
Posted by Fred34]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:03:05 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Puty]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:03:44 -0700 The Stranger
Seriously, look at this quote:

"Sadly one can see many similarities in the debauchery of those times and what some are trying to recreate now."

Fucked! Or this:

"You cannot distance the destruction of Roman culture from their indulgences [or] licentious lecherous behaviors."

Double-fucked! And, totally brainwashed. "Licentious" is one of those words that really outs the hardcore Christian kooks. It's one of their little mantras.

Loveschild probably hoards gold, decries "socialism" (eeek!), argues public healthcare will bring ruin (it destroyed Rome!) and squawks incessantly about Obama's "New World Order". Actually, just picking Rome as a comparison for U.S. decline is something all the American Empire whackjobs do. I think it has something to do with the Rapture and Jews and repressed bisexuality, but I'm no expert and don't wanna be.

Loveschild is completely and totally fucked in his/her/it's squishy, cephalopodian head. This sad, irritating creature needs massive, massive therapy (and probably a few dozen hugs from a better mom than the one it was born to), not conversation with Slog's lovable drunks and ne'er do-wells.

Trust a Canadian on this. Ignore Loveschild. Let him/her/it scuttle away to a cozy tidepool crevice, and wish it peace and healing.

Posted by Puty]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:00:12 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Theo Magyar]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:08:09 -0700 The Stranger
Or strap-ons.
Posted by memorex]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:44:31 -0700 The Stranger Then @ # 79 you said "And I never implied that it was solely to blame but instead that it was one of the many components that weakened that specific roman society." Making contradictory statements doesn't improve the strength of your arguments, ya know.

Posted by Theo Magyar]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:17:55 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Theo Magyar]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:03:21 -0700 The Stranger
You're too much of a coward to answer, but if homosexuality had ANYTHING to do weakening Rome, wouldn't suppressing homosexuality (as happened after Constantine converted the empire to Christianity) have made it stronger? Can you explain that paradox?
Posted by Matt from Denver]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:55:54 -0700 The Stranger

Posted by Tef]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:53:36 -0700 The Stranger
You may be right ....::sigh::
Posted by Theo Magyar]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:44:10 -0700 The Stranger
You are all helping her Get Off, in her nasty "Hate's Shill" way!! Do not be the batteries in her innernetz vibrator!!!

Unless you want to, I mean... It IS pretty good entertainment, I must say.. But just don't assume you're speaking to a rational being who is capable of responding to you rationally, y'all are just her eee-lectronic buzz buddies.


Posted by merry]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:01 -0700 The Stranger
I'm asking for several reasons:
1.In my opinion, folks who want to deny basic human rights to others should be able to produce logical arguments to support their postion. And again, visceral faith based statements aren't enough.
2. And she might change her mind if she sees that her position is illogical.

So call me a hopeless idealist. Hey - it ain't all bad being one- look at what Woodrow Wilson accomplished! :)


Posted by Theo Magyar]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:36:50 -0700 The Stranger
Tell me how Teh Gayz weaken society again?
Posted by Dr James]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:35:59 -0700 The Stranger
Again, we are discussing culture not political, military endeavors. And I never implied that it was solely to blame but instead that it was one of the many components that weakened that specific roman society. You know that the Roman religion I'm referencing to is PREVIOUS 391 AD.
Posted by Loveschild]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:31:35 -0700 The Stranger