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"do you really want the president to just pick and choose which laws to enforce on the basis of politics?"<br>
Have you heard of Bush's signing statements?  They allowed the president to pick and choose which laws to enforce on the basis of politics for the past EIGHT YEARS!  <br>
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      <![CDATA[<b>Gbtsatra</b> @11, etc. etc. ad nauseum, a lot of good your Harvard effin' law degree is doing you if all you can say is "you don't know what you're talking about" rather than, say, <i>explaining why</i>. The privilege of decrying someone else an idiot only comes with the capability and effort of actually stating a case. Saying you can and then not doing so only makes you look like someone with an ego problem.<br />
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The question is no longer <i>what</i> the president can or cannot do, so much as <i>why</i> he's not taking action. We're not waiting on a bill to repeal DADT that is tied up in committee, we're waiting for the bill to get written up in the first place, and asking why the <i>Fierce Urgency of Now</i> hasn't compelled it to get written.<br />
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And in the meantime, <i>yes, Obama can</i> suspend continued enforcement of the anti-gay regulations of the UCMJ, and it's <i>part of his fucking job to do so</i>, i.e. to make sure the <i>execution</i> of those laws serve the spirit of their original intent, not merely consequence of their letters.<br />
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One doesn't need a Harvard education to be able to determine these things, since all this information is freely accessible online. It's a common misnomer to presume a credential gives one's voice the power of authority as it might within a religious institution. No, an education provides you the tools to make an argument, but you still have to use those tools and craft an argument that stands up to scrutiny.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@9 and @10 - the answer is no.  The military is not punished for asking.  A few years ago a serviceman was discharged because they asked the question "have you ever been involved in community theater".  They can't ask if he's gay, so they asked that.  In their mind, they *were* asking "are you gay" and when he answered in the affirmative, they concluded he had told enough for them to investigate him and kick him out.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Every single time you talk about legal issues you sound like more of an idiot, Dan. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You're more interested in being pompous, erratic, and completely wrong than actually trying to educate yourself. Legal matters are ALWAYS nuanced, full of caveats, and cannot be reduced to simplicity. I don't care if you have read the DOMA brief, it still doesn't mean that you know what the fuck it means. <br>
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Your post had nothing to do with this article.  This article is comparing apples to apples. Two of the same issues, so go ahead and keep name calling if you like, but instead of calling Dan stupid, you may want to point out exactly why you think he is, and use a specific example of why he is wrong.  Because if you don't it becomes obvious that you are merely a shill for the administration.
        
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If you don't want to listen to headlines or the news about Iran, just skip to the 9:20 mark.<br />
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<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2009/6/19">http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2009/6&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA["But Americans don't hate grieving immigrant widows the way they hate us damn, dirty faggots."<br>
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      <![CDATA["But Americans don't hate grieving immigrant widows the way they hate us damn, dirty faggots."<br>
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      <![CDATA[But Americans don't hate grieving immigrant widows the way they hate us damn, dirty faggots. Well, unless the widows aren't white.
        
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      <![CDATA[@21 No, service people don't have to tell someone else in the military to get kicked out. If an informant suspects they are gay and informs the military there is an investigation and they get kicked out if it is decided they are gay. There are people who have been kicked out because someone saw them out looking like a couple with their partner during their off time and informed on them (like the lady in Kansas who was spotted grocery shopping with her partner).
        
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      <![CDATA["The post is about Obama's ability to play with the rule of law. It appears that his administration able to do things for heterosexuals but not for the homos."<br>
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Yep, the number of Americans who hate widows and orphans is vanishingly small. I can't even think of any derogatory slang terms for either widows or orphans. Helping them out expends virtually no political capital.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@ Nun:  Besides, there's been cases of grieving widows (and widowers) with American born children by their late husbands and wives, which are, of course, damn good reasons to stay in the country.<br />
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More than that, there's a large lag between when the paperwork can be done, and when the US government will actually do their thing, so a person can have been married for longer than the two years, but because the government is slow to act, they miss out on their opportunity to stay as a matter of government timing.
        
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      <![CDATA[#22.  You completely miss the point.  The post is about Obama's ability to play with the rule of law.  It appears that his administration able to do things for heterosexuals but not for the homos.<br />
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And YES, US immigration law is in fact cold and discriminatory.  For more information please visit <a href="http://www.immigrationequality.org/">http://www.immigrationequality.org/</a>
        
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      <![CDATA["Citizenship is granted to the spouse for the BENEFIT OF THE CITIZEN."<br>
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First of all, it's permanent residency, not citizenship. Second, slavery has been abolished. The spouse is free to divorce once s/he has a green card.<br>
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The two-year rule prevents sham marriages whose only purpose is to get green cards. Otherwise, an enterprising citizen might set up shop in a van outside a Vegas wedding chapel, getting married on Monday and divorced on Tuesday.<br>
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Someone who got married in good faith, expecting to make it last a lifetime, should not be punished by a law designed to weed out con artists.
        
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      <![CDATA[This law is not cold at all.<br>
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Citizenship is granted to the spouse for the BENEFIT OF THE CITIZEN.  If the citizen passed away, then there's no purpose to allowing naturalization.  The way you've written this entry, it's as if the widow(er) was granted something that was never granted in the first place.  Besides, if the citizen lived, then there's no guarantee the spouse would have become a citizen anyway.<br>
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Please take a look at the way citizenship works in the rest of the world.  It is the most relaxed law with the most loopholes, and yet people still complain as if US law is oppressive.  Give me a break.
        
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      <![CDATA[Can servicemen and women be openly gay/lesbian as long as they don't specifically tell anyone they're gay? I mean, can it be completely obvious to everyone, but they only get kicked out if they actually say it out loud?<br />
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      <![CDATA[@15, you funny.  The post was a rhetorical question, baby, not an assertion.  Quit shadowboxing.  But aside from the comment's kneejerk pugnacity, you did offer some new info, so thankee for that anyhoo.
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh, and I forgot that North Korea seems able to launch a nuclear warhead on Hawaii.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm going to be the first and answer your question Dan, and the answer is no, Napolitano is not more powerful than Obama. Obama can ignore or enforce any laws he wants for as long as people let him, just like he can ignore gay rights. I'd explain why but won't, since I have to tend to my bong because it is packed with so much sweet medical pot that I can legally buy in CA without being worried about getting arrested or deported or anything, since ya know, Obama decided not to enforce that law either.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan would have a stronger point if Napolitano started issuing fiance visas to gays. Deporting grieving widows plucks more heartstrings more strongly then keeping gays out of the military does.<br>
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But as has been pointed out many times, Obama has a ready-made excuse for suspending dadt during the current military emergency. I think, charitably, he wants to keep gays under the bus only until he can get his health care plan through. The wingnuts are jumping on him for taking his family out for ice cream while freedom-loving Iranians are being gunned down on the streets of Teheran -- working on gay issues while Iran burns would be seen as a lack of prioritization.<br>
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Congress recesses in August -- maybe he'll be able to shift focus to gay issues in September.
        
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      <![CDATA[This doesn't surprise me, she's a family friend and a hell of a woman.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan, seriously-I think DADT is idiotic, unjust, unfair, and should be overturned ASAP. But man, you really don't know what you're talking about here. The reason Napolitano could do this is because the Sec'y of Homeland Security has statutory authority to suspend deportation orders under particular circumstances. It used to be the Attorney General had authority to do so, and this served as the basis for the most significant separation of powers case of the last 30 years or os, Chadha v. INS. Since the creation of DHS, that power has ben transferred to the Sec'y of Homeland Security. It's just a completely inapposite analogy.
        
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