Comments On: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses by Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/18/stampp-corbin-comes-to-his-senses Comments On: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:15:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by McLovin]]> Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:25:43 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
Dan, you were great.
Posted by Nick]]> Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:55:32 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
It will be fascinating to see wgat happens after the DNC LGBT Caucus conference call on Monday....
Posted by Mad Professah]]> Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:51:46 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
The President's first opportunity to make amends will be ...


Make amends? He should have never let this happen in the first place. And if he had no knowledge of it happening, he should have dropped everything to apologize and condemn it.

We shouldn't have to threaten them by withholding our money. We shouldn't have to prove our worth to them. Our only value to them shouldn't be the money we send them anyway. That part of our lives should have ended when Obama took office, because goddamnit he told us it would.

You're an apologist, Stampp, and you're angry because you know you've been used.

And YOU were the tiresome, prating, one-trick-pony on CNN, not Dan. He showed you more respect than you deserved.
Posted by jade]]> Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:32:17 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Kevin Erickson]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:11:43 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
Dan, that's your "drunk uncle" bit? I was expecting a lot more. Something like "and Obama can't even keep it up! What do you think of that?" sloshing around a martini. You were pretty tame until the end.
Posted by DJDeeJay]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:49:25 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
I never lost my senses. I told you I thought the brief was hateful, but you were too busy screaming and not trying to have civil dialogue. Believe it or not, I can hold two thoughts in my head; the President should be held to account for the DOMA brief, but he also be given time to implement on our agenda. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive...though you seem to think they are. The President's first opportunity to make amends will be the brief to be filed on June 29th in the MA federal case challenging DOMA. Rest assured, the tenor of the DOJ's arguments will be different.

The DOJ and the President have heard us, but now we need to let them feel it in the pockebook. You don't compare my relationship to incest and expect me to give you money. So, boycotting the DNC event is a single focused action that says "we are mad as hell." However, I think it is premature to completely withhold our funds from Democrats, let's see how they respond and if actions in the next few months warrant the complete opening of our coffers once again.


Posted by Stampp]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:34:35 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Jason Eckelman]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:10:29 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Lavode]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:06:39 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:45:07 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by idaho]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:20:39 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
I'm not a lawyer, I don't know the nuances of this case, nor do I know if any person is willfully misinterpreting the brief inorder to use it. We have commenters with different opinons, one who said they were an attorney. With the internet there is no way to confirm or disprove what people say. Also, I haven't seen the brief in total either, to form my own individual opinion about it.

I was addressing Kevin and him alone. I was addressing his personal feelings. I've appreciated his comments.

I am not condemning anyone here. I don't know what the actual truth is. I don't know what is the truth, what is purely misunderstanding, what is deliberate, what is accidental, and what is a lie. I can not call for a public apology without knowing the truth.
Posted by kim in portland]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:16:48 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
I don't know what Dan's talking about, Corbin was clearly the shouty one of the pair, and I was relieved when Dan finally cut off his first harangue -- bullshitting endlessly to run down the clock is teevee punditry 101 and if anything Dan should have shut him down sooner.

The excuses for Obama's inaction that invoke Clinton's experience that gave us DADT, from both Corbin and commenters here, are dumb as hell. Obama isn't Clinton, and it's not 1993. For pity's sake, even the generals are saying the policy needs reform. Public opinion is strongly supportive, the Democrats have a much stronger mandate, the Brits and Israelis have had homos in the army for a decade, and Jesus Christ, we *just kicked out another Arab linguist*. Come on.
Posted by piminnowcheez]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:39:46 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Jersey]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:58:16 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by I Got Nuthin']]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:35:56 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
not saying punditry is without value, it's just not the same thing.
Posted by Kevin Erickson]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:50:48 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
Whereas, Chris Geidner, Laurence Tribe, Nan Hunter, Robert Raben, and others have all argued that it was, in fact necessary for DOJ to argue it. And that's setting aside the tactical questions about what a crappy lawsuit this was. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/200…
Posted by Kevin Erickson]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:24:37 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
Activism is sexy . This may not have been your best performance, but points needed to be made.

I am still surprised by how many people are unaware of the statements made in the DOMA brief.

Awesome that Corbin has pulled out.
Posted by bugwitch]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:11:48 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
BTW, I don’t have anything to add about whether the DOJ had to defend DOMA, though it does seem like more people/lawyers other than John Aravosis are arguing that it did not.
Posted by Julie in Eugene]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:00:34 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
But...why would anyone think that the DOJ didn't have to defend DOMA? Mostly because John Aravosis told them so and other people parroted it.
Posted by Kevin Erickson]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:46:48 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
The legal fact is not what is getting people upset (i.e., people are not saying "they made this legal argument and it's invalid!"). This is an emotional reaction to the fact that the Obama administration (who is supposed to be on our side, right?) has essentially said "we view gay marriage as being in the same category as incestuous marriages". This particular argument was just salt in the wounds for people who think that A.) the DOJ didn't have to defend DOMA at all or B) they could have just defended it on the jurisdiction-type arguments.

Maybe it's just that the brief lays out so starkly, in black and white, what types of relationships our current laws see gay marriage as comparable to...
Posted by Julie in Eugene]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:34:28 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
It worked well in this case because most people don't know how to interpret legal briefs, so they assume John's dishonest description of it was accurate rather than go through the process of investigating the basic facts of the case, eg, who were the plaintiffs, where was it being tried, what was the DoJ's obligation. And now, as you see, everyone's entrenched in that position and attacking anyone like Barney Frank who dares to question this posture of outrage. Well, I believe in questioning everything.
Posted by Kevin Erickson]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:16:59 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]>
The brief did use some superfluous and hurtful arguments otherwise, but I think the ongoing debate about what the brief said or didn't say is unproductive. The mere fact of this brief is a slap in the face which highlights his inaction on gay rights (which is the real issue, isn't it?)
Posted by lori in bklyn]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:16:25 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Loveschild]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:12:37 -0700 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Stampp Corbin Comes To His Senses]]> Posted by Loveschild]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:05:02 -0700 The Stranger