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Another idea I have is to have hundreds of LGBT people line up for marriage licenses in courthouses around the country and be denied. If we can tie up the bureaucracy with nuisance applications, we can inconvenience people enough to make them think about why this issue is so important to us. We could also flood military recruiting stations with applications to be in the military from openly LGBT people. Let's gum up the works, people!
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Posted by Enigma]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:45:04 -0700 The Stranger It's time to organize. Dan gave us a great starting point, but we are all independent people that can stand on our own.
I have made a commitment to stand in front of the White House from July 1-4. When will you be there?
protestforhumanrights.com
Posted by Enigma]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:45:50 -0700 The Stranger
But then it should spread too from first the white house, to couples showing up at congress, at the supreme court, at the houses of the legislatures in states across the country, to police stations, to military bases, to anywhere where people aren't doing what's necessary to protect the rights of gays.

As these faces appear on television, again and again and again, public support would build up like a tidal wave. The call to have these peoples be pardoned with their records expunged would start to grow. All this could and SHOULD lead up to a March. A march that will get so much more public support than you'd get if you march now. A march that includes millions of people supportive of gay rights and the people who have been arrested.

Hopefully it wouldn't even have to get that far. But if it does,it could work very well.
Posted by nephyo]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:37:22 -0700 The Stranger Posted by BSC]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:22:26 -0700 The Stranger
If he won't come say these things to the family, they insist and refuse to leave until arrested. If he agrees to see them but tries to smooth things over or dodge the question, they also refuse to leave until he speaks those statements personally. If he (and I don't think he would) does affirm that gay marriage is invalid and equal to incest and child rape, they would thank him for being honest about his beliefs and politely leave. Then another couple comes the next day and starts the process over again; it is likely that if he did manage to say those things to one family, he would not be able to say them to a second one.
Posted by erika]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:36:10 -0700 The Stranger
I belong to the Yahoo group Out4Immigration, which is primarily striving to get the Uniting American Families Act passed, but also serves as a support group of sorts for bi-national same-sex couples. Obama is comprising his integrity and must find the gumption to do the right thing by all of us. This would certainly give him more than a little help.

How about some single people coming, being American Citizens who cannot sponsor their loved one for immigration? I'd do it.
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Posted by merry]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:01:22 -0700 The Stranger Posted by lpyoung]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:05:17 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Straight Married Woman]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:14:43 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Brian-n-Dallas]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:58:25 -0700 The Stranger Posted by wtuthill]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:47:32 -0700 The Stranger When gays and lesbians die, unlike every heterosexual American, everything we have scrimped, saved and sweated for will NOT go to our spouse and kids. Unlike heterosexual spouses, same-sex spouses will be forced to pay taxes an our family's nest eggs unlike ANY heterosexual American-even those heteros who marry in Las Vegas on a drunken whim. Our spouses and our children will NOT receive our Social Security benefits like every other American. There are over 1300 federal laws -examples of the ways in which our families will be ROBBED of the same basic financial rights that any straight person receives, even those living on death row as mass murderers. THIS is what the fight for "gay marriage" is about, NOT the need for social approval from hetero bigots. It is about EQUAL REPRESENTATION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. We go to work. We pay our taxes. We pay our bills like anyone else. We contribute to our local and national communities. And for this we get WHAT?! Not even the same government representation as a heterosexual mass murderer on death row. Enough is enough.

This anti-gay caste system is a form of government enforced indentured servitude. That's right. A form of slavery. It is an untenable form of government in modern times, and it will NO LONGER be tolerated. To hell with polls and the public opinions of bigots. To hell with waiting- for what??? Like the straights, our baby boomer generation is not getting any younger! We need equal rights and protections for our families NOW. The solution is simple, and legal, though it doesn't involve begging for scraps from bigots or the powers that be, or wasting our time educating and reaching out to reprobates.

1.) Gays and Lesbians must put their federal taxes (and state taxes too if one lives in a state without marriage equality) into massive, fiscally transparent "escrow" accounts, until our taxation status is equalized. The IRS is only doing their job- they don't care who you are as long as you pay what you owe, so this is no attack against them personally, but unfortunately for them they are caught in the middle of this, so...
2.) Gays and Lesbians must stop paying into a Social Security system which will never pay out benefits to us as Gays and Lesbians. Again, a massive "escrow" account.
3.) The interest on these accounts should go toward legal representation, NOT for attorneys to introduce cases to "fight for" our rights incrementally, on a case by case basis, but purely as defensive litigators. Let the fight COME TO US.
4.) All Gay and Lesbian political donations and support to go to a third party. A party that will truly represent the people- ALL the people, without being horribly compromised by a long history of political malfeasance. A TRUE "new hope".
Posted by OneButch]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0700 The Stranger The efforts already begun.
protestforhumanrights.com

Posted by Enigma]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:23:06 -0700 The Stranger
Dan, as you are obviously aware, trespassing on Federal property is a crime. I hope you and the other organizers are also aware that those who consciously act to plan such crimes or otherwise aid in their commission, can be charged with conspiracy. When the Federal Marshals raid your home to arrest you and take all of your computers and external storage media for inspection, you probably won't be quite as happy with your plan.

Posted by IANAL]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:08:32 -0700 The Stranger We are a gay married couple, and we are up for getting arrested at the White House. Let us know when and where, and we'll be there (and at the October march, too)
Grant
Posted by Grant]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:52:48 -0700 The Stranger
the drip by drip is quite appealing to me--everyday the white house will have to deal with the issue.

i am not internet savy so i hope there are others out there to put together a campaign--i would be happy to contribute whatever i am able.

richard
Posted by cadenarich]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:16:10 -0700 The Stranger
I would get off the fence for this counterproposal: let's set up an infrastructure (web site, organized endorsements from community leaders, widespread publicity, etc.) to encourage every gay couple in the country to knock on the doors of THEIR OWN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. Couples should go to City Hall, Governor's mansions, state legislature halls, and everywhere people with influence can do something about marriage equality. Yes, they should be willing to sit down and get arrested. And their visits could be coordinated with other couples and media via a website. However, for the most part their visits will catch the government entity off guard. A thousand news stories in a thousand local, regional, and state media markets spread out over an indefinite period of time will do a lot more to attract attention than a single, predictable top-down protest that would probably quickly become a yawnfest.

Best feature of this counterproposal: nobody will have the excuse to stay uninvolved because they don't have the airfare or connections to be one of "Dan Savage's 730 Chosen Ones". You want to protest and are willing to get arrested? Great. Just go to the website or Facebook page, pick your location, announce your plans to your online buddies, send tweets or emails to the media, and take the bus down the street to the doorsteps of the government entity that is currently part of the problem ... and then show them how they can be part of the solution.
Posted by joe_perez]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:00:26 -0700 The Stranger
What would happen if 100 gay married couples marched in the Seafair Torchlight Parade behind a float that was ... um ... heck whatever.

And stood in front of the announcers stands where the cameras were until they had been on TV for 30 minutes?

The more the merrier. I'm just giving my ideas - you should think up and ACT on your own.
Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:22:19 -0700 The Stranger