http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/09/boy-trouble Comments On: Pat Robertson's Insulting Theory On The Origins of Homosexuality by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:15:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Daling]]> Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:30:44 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Daling867]]> Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:28:44 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Daling867@mac.com]]> Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:25:20 -0700 The Stranger Our (adopted) son was, from what we were able to ascertain from social services, most likely molested at some point in early childhood by a neighbor of his biological grandmother...after several years with us in a loving and safe family, he is happy, well-adjusted, and as far as we can determine 100% hetrosexual...Go figure...just sayin'
Posted by BestBoy]]> Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:37:52 -0700 The Stranger
The beauty of that is, if it doesn't mke him gay then he's full of shit, and if it does, he's turned into what he hates the most.

Okay, we shouldn't, but it would be funny.
Posted by Max]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:35:26 -0700 The Stranger
i didn't mean to dismiss your ideas entirely. it's a good notion you have, but the reality is much different. molestation (in my opinion) never produces a sexual orientation. and i reject that notion that 75% of people are essentially bisexual. I'm a guy -- 100%. I'm also gay -- 100%. nobody molested me as a child. i was raised in a brady-family model (as most americans were). i would never have hoped to be gay. but here i am.

your intentions are good, I think: it would be wonderful if we were all roughly bisexual. i'm guessing that you would be a good scientist. meet me for a drink sometime. let me show you the dirt under my fingernails. it's not pretty.
Posted by fendel]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:02:14 -0700 The Stranger
Only that it might influence how they opt to identify socially.

Social identification never correlates 100% with any actual behavior.


Posted by e.stephen]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:01:59 -0700 The Stranger Posted by e.stephen]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:51:21 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Madegay]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:35:07 -0700 The Stranger Posted by kim in portland]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:14:48 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Fred34]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:44:58 -0700 The Stranger
"I think for some people it is biological... but I've always known gay men who are into men because women are oh-so-yucky, something that smacks more of unresolved issues than biological pre-determination."

And:

"We do need to recall that if we're claiming that sexuality is a spectrum, then it can't be explained entirely by biology"

Martychan, you DO NOT KNOW any gay men who are "into' men because women are "oh-so-yucky." Totally straight men really like women sexually. They like VAGINA. Gay men like DICK. Any guy who tells you he's likes dick because women are "yucky" (whatever that means) is lying, to you and to himself. I'm 90% gay and have had sex with women and enjoyed it. Women are not yucky. They are just not as sexy as men - in my opinion.

Also, why would you say that sexuality as a spectrum contradicts established notions of biology. In fact, the opposite is true. Biology is not a binary black-and-white proposition. Biology is always a complex continuum of characteristics.
Posted by daveguapo1]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:29:09 -0700 The Stranger
"I think for some people it is biological... but I've always known gay men who are into men because women are oh-so-yucky, something that smacks more of unresolved issues than biological pre-determination."

And:

"We do need to recall that if we're claiming that sexuality is a spectrum, then it can't be explained entirely by biology"

Martychan, you DO NOT KNOW any gay men who are "into' men because women are "oh-so-yucky." Totally straight men really like women sexually. They like VAGINA. Gay men like DICK. Any guy who tells you he's likes dick because women are "yucky" (whatever that means) is lying, to you and to himself. I'm 90% gay and have had sex with women and enjoyed it. Women are not yucky. They are just not as sexy as men - in my opinion.

Also, why would you say that sexuality as a spectrum contradicts established notions of biology. In fact, the opposite is true. Biology is not a binary black-and-white proposition. Biology is always a complex continuum of characteristics.
Posted by daveguapo]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:53:48 -0700 The Stranger
You are 68% wrong in the majoity of your comment, and 92% mistaken on the rest. You speak with such certainty, though, such authority, that you've nearly got me convinced. The catch: list your sources for these fasscccinating truths to which you subscibe.
Posted by fendel]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:35:30 -0700 The Stranger Posted by chaya]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:06:10 -0700 The Stranger
REAL childhood sexual abuse can potentially push someone to sexually identify one way or the other.

But here's the catch.

Homosexual abuse tends to create heterosexual identifying adults.
(ie, most of the dudes suing priests identify as straight)

Heterosexual abuse seems to create homosexual identifying adults
(Who doesn't know at least 3 lesbians with a BAD daddy?(or uncle,stepfather,grandfather, etc)

In short, Heterosexual abuser are creating a shortage of straight/bi adults

Homosexual abusers are creating MORE exclusively straight adults!

Posted by e.stephen]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:07:54 -0700 The Stranger
On another note, maybe someone else mentioned this somewhere in this loooong series of comments, but there are people out there who were molested as children and DID NOT TURN OUT GAY. So apparently child abuse isn't a reliable way to make homosexuals. Wannabe gays and lesbians might want to look into the biological options. Made science could make more people gay with experimental stem cell treatments? Just a thought.
Posted by Puty]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:54:35 -0700 The Stranger
And yeah, a christian fundamentalist parent isn't going to let their kids associate with any Out Proud Gay people. Especially not long enough to become any sort of authority figure who would have the trust and opportunity to rape the kids. From what I've seen, they seem OBSESSED with controlling everything and everyone who so much as breaths in the same zip code as their kids. They're not the types to let their kids go to a Dairy Queen that employs any gay people, in fact, they're more likely to lobby the manager or corporate office to fire the LGBT employee so he/she is not around their precious angels who's programming cannot be interrupted by reality.


Posted by Jason D]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:21:01 -0700 The Stranger There is no such thing as a "Christian child." There are children with Christian parents mind you. So often children in fundamentalist (or unfundamentalist) religions don't get a choice in who, or what they are. This extends not only to their sexual preference that they were born with, but their religion as well. Imagine how confused a gay child in such a fundamentalist setting will feel. Children shouldn't be forced into taking on the beliefs of their parents - maybe that's why conservative children do rebel and out themselves and say "accept me!" - nor be made to hide who they are. At some point it should be the child's decision what religion they are, and what sexual identity they want to have.
Still, its sad to see such bullshit spreading and people believing it through sheer ignorance.
Posted by Peter]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:45:17 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Kenn]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:41:54 -0700 The Stranger Posted by donchipotle]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:01:15 -0700 The Stranger
As you were.

Please do not feed the trolls

Thank you

Salaam, Shalom, Peace
Posted by Fred34]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:37:07 -0700 The Stranger Posted by wallydanger]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:10:13 -0700 The Stranger
Apparently being molested doesn't make you gay--it makes you one of the crowd. I wonder what it would be like for children to live in a world where people's genitals were connected with their brains and their hearts (assuming they had brains and hearts).
Posted by Clam]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:09:02 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Lord Basil]]> Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:51:47 -0700 The Stranger