Comments On: Missionary Imposition by Jonah Spangenthal-Lee

Re: Missionary Imposition

ILoveTofu — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:42:19 -0700

@100, I didn't think this forum was discussing Mars Hill's opinion on gays, but just Mars Hill in general. And if a group was activating racism, using dehumanizing language against them would be simply be doing the same thing the racists are doing. I wouldn't stoop to that level. You can be sure my words would be very strong, but I wouldn't dehumanize them. That's just me tho.

And actually, that is his real name. He's open about his struggles at the church and actually got up in front of the entire church and told his story. People accept him and love him genuinely believe it or not....just like anyone else with homosexual desires. Gay or straight we are all screwed without Christ. It's not like anyone is better than anyone else for an orientation. If it's told any other way it is not the gospel. I am sorry if you've been told otherwise and I know you've heard horrible things come out of the mouths of those who claim to know God...I have too.
Posted by ILoveTofu

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Damien — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:40:21 -0700

@20 "I hope he brings some protection with him"

Nothing says, "I trust God" like thinking one would need protection when going to a coffee shop to meet and talk with people.
Posted by Damien

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Manos — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:13:57 -0700

@ 92 - to quote Eddie Izzard: "The NRA says that 'guns don't kill people - people do', but I think the gun helps."
Posted by Manos

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Lola, Now in Iowa City — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:49:54 -0700

@99, what is there to 'discuss' in regard to their opinions about the gays? If they were advocating racism, would that be a 'discussion of our different beliefs' topic? I think not. Why should it be any different when discussing me or other people who are gay?

By the way, I looked at that MH blog, and my heart went out to the guy who wrote under "I came to Seattle to get away." He writes that he is battling his gay desires. Okay, obviously he'll have a hard time with that. The other thing is, I hope to god he didn't use his real name in the post. He will NEVER be fully accepted in the fundamentalist church, even if he does successfully battle his desires. They have room for anyone, but he will always be a bit on display. God forbid he gets married. I do feel sorry for him.
Posted by Lola, Now in Iowa City

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ILoveTofu — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:10:29 -0700

It's funny that though we claim to be tolerant and open minded people, we find ourselves using words like "THOSE people" "These THINGS from Mars Hill" and "fucking retards".

We really are open minded, aren't we? What a civil discussion about people who *gasp* disagree with us. Either stop using uncivil, dehumanizing language or come to grips that you are no more open minded than those people. Those sinners. You can't hold on to both and remain logical.
Posted by ILoveTofu

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tiktok — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:47:48 -0700

"Mars Hill is an obvious cult. Driscoll will eventually be caught with his finger in the till, twat or taint. Then we can watch with bemusement the fight over his surprisingly substantial assets."

+1
Posted by tiktok

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ILoveTofu — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:42:52 -0700

@94

Where did you get that info? Those are some pretty big statements for having no evidence to back it up.
Posted by ILoveTofu

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Missy Miss — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:05:10 -0700

There are already several churches on Capitol Hill. I'm sure nobody has any trouble finding their way to one of them if they want, without Mars Hill snagging them.

We took out some neighbors for drinks last week and are now planning to have dinner with them.

What I want to know is at what point the neighbors are told the goal of their friendly overtures. Anything after "right away" is a bit skeezy in a bait-and-switch kind of way.
Posted by Missy Miss

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Lola, Now in Iowa City — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:55:41 -0700

@2 & 22, exactly. I went to Bible College lo these many years ago, and there weren't hipster wanna-bes, but there was the Christian rock and all that shit, and it seemed like such a good way to relate to 'non-believers.' They're all cool and shit, but tell you're GAY, and that ain't so cool. These people disgust me.
Posted by Lola, Now in Iowa City

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Chk_It — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:27:12 -0700

Christians have a 2000 year long tradition of torturing, raping, and murdering gay people, and in the last 25 years or so have modified it a bit to just asking for more lenient sentences when caught torturing, raping and murdering GLBT people.
I am willing to see if the current crop of Christian "out-reach" is safe for the gays, and I figure about 2000 years or so should be just enough time to see if they are serious about it.
Until then I will use the same standard I use for pit bulls-staying the fuck away.

Posted by Chk_It

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stilettov — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:40:20 -0700

Fuck ALL of you. Except Poe.

At least these assholes don't live in your house, and throw big Jesus parties every Sunday. I don't even go into the common areas of the house, because every where you turn, there are a bunch of yobos jerking each other for Jesus.

Thank god I'm getting out of this stupid boarding house and going back to school and ascending to a place of learning and peace of mind. Otherwise I might have to choke a bitch.

Posted by stilettov

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Jocelyn — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:23:03 -0700

Funny, I thought people were the #1 cause of murder, bigotry, intolerance, pain, and agony. My mistake.
Posted by Jocelyn

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Atheryium — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:22:47 -0700

A group cannot long survive without a sense of purpose and nothing sustains purpose better than the idea (real or imagined, it doesn't matter) there is another group out there with a common "hostility" toward whatever yours believes.

Therefore, I'm sure Capital Hill and its so-called "hostility" will serve quite well as a screen for Mars Hill to project and thereby confirm and reinforce its own unique world view.

Mars Hill, you are welcome to have Capital Hill as your bogeyman. Just please be respectful.
Posted by Atheryium

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Violet_DaGrinder — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:57:42 -0700

@6

I'm actually perfectly hostile to all of Christianity.

But I suppose I'm probably an exception to the rule.
Posted by Violet_DaGrinder

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Sir Vic — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:55:26 -0700

A good way to expose this bigot would be for a lesbian couple (who could pass as het hotties) to show up and start making out in front of him. When he has to take his inevitable erection to the men's room, a couple of teh gays would be ready to help him "out".

I'm betting <5 inches.

Mars Hill is an obvious cult. Driscoll will eventually be caught with his finger in the till, twat or taint. Then we can watch with bemusement the fight over his surprisingly substantial assets.
Posted by Sir Vic

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Mr. Poe — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:25:00 -0700

@84

Yeah, manipulation. Great! That's way better!
Posted by Mr. Poe

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Glossy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:52:47 -0700

@41:

When I'm in in Tullys in the UDist, I hear so many obviously put-on conversations by Christian students.

I heard two girls talking about their "friend" who had sex before marriage.

"It's so lame to have sex before marriage," one said to the other. The whole conversation was just like this, totally fake and scripted, and juuust loud enough so that others could hear and maybe join in, giving them an opportunity to try and convert someone.

It's fucking nuts.

I really hate these people.
Posted by Glossy

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TimMathis — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:18:34 -0700

and by proselytization i mean not proselytization.
Posted by TimMathis

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TimMathis — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:17:20 -0700

capitol hill doesn't need that kind of religion - a better kind of proselytization:

http://prideeucharist.org/
Posted by TimMathis

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mandaline — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:37:39 -0700

Yeah, I know this guy. I'm actually related to him. He knows I'm a girl who likes girls, but he still treats me as nicely as any other family member.

Talk about bizarre Slog trolling to come across this.

At least his form of evangelism is better than the usual door-to-door thumping or standing on the sidewalk with a megaphone.
Posted by mandaline

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Whitey McGee — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:26:09 -0700

Joel Fariss is really pasty.
Posted by Whitey McGee

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Elizabeth — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:09:39 -0700

I love you, Reverend Dr. DJ Riz.

Also, @58: This is the most important thought in the thread. There is nothing more reprehensible than a privileged white Christian male talking about hostility and fear. We are liberal and open here on the Hill because SO MANY of us have experienced fear and hostility from the majority of the world. There is nowhere this man from Mars Hill can go where he will experience the threatening and marginalization that those of us that are "Other" are subject to in our own country.

Shame on him. He is not welcome in my neighborhood.
Posted by Elizabeth

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JesseJB — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:56:56 -0700

@80

Just because of his ignorant statement I had me some Thai for lunch.
Posted by JesseJB

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treacle — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:44:55 -0700

"dirty Thai restaurants" --- I'm sorry (@1, @11) but what a jerk! He hasn't even been to those Thai restaurants, they are just as clean any other restaurant on the hill. Fuck him and his racist bigotry.

As for @56: while I don't support your solution, you are 100% correct in saying "Religion is and always has been the #1 cause of murder, bigotry, intolerance, pain, and agony."
It sure is. Plenty of proof too.
Posted by treacle

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Jessica — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:30:24 -0700

@58: when was the last time a Christian got actually "assaulted" (not scorned or ignored, physically assaulted) on the Hill? When was the last time someone got the shit kicked out of them because someone who probably self-identified as Christian thought they were queer? STFU about assault on the Hill. You want to change minds, go out on a Saturday night and prevent testosterone-laden assholes from beating up people whose looks they don't like.

Some of the most Christian (in the sense of believing in Christ and trying to live the Gospel through actions) people I know live on the Hill and in the U District, and none of them are being harassed or assaulted or crying "victim!" It's only when someone gets up in someone's face about JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY SINNER STOP SUCKING COCK AND MARRY A LADY BUT NOT A LADY RELATED TO ME that people get impatient and intolerant of you.
Posted by Jessica