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      <![CDATA[<i>Sales tax on a car is capped at $300</i><br />
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Nice attempt at yet another bike nazi lie!
        
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      <![CDATA[@18 No, you wouldn't. Sales tax on a car is capped at $300, while tax on bicycles is not. And if all of the cyclists on the road decided to take buses, they would add more buses, further increasing congestion. If they ride on the sidewalk at any reasonable speed, then they seriously endanger pedestrians and cause much more harm than good. Seeing as it's relatively easy to ride a bike at an average speed above 15-20mph, it simply doesn't make sense to further crowd sidewalks. <br>
Bike owners pay taxes that subsequently pay for the roads and other infrastructure. You don't pay enough sales tax on your car, I pay sales tax for my bike, especially if it's more expensive. This tax also wouldn't even go to bike infrastructure, so it's just stupid to have bikes subsidizing the laziness of drivers. I don't owe you any favors, but I'm doing the government and the general public a favor by riding my bicycle.
        
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      <![CDATA[A legislator who refuses to compromise, who won't add provisions to a bill to make it palatable to the opposition, who is so dogmatic that she/he would rather forego a bill rather than throw a bone or two to the other side, will inevitably be ineffective.<br />
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It's not about dogma. It's about getting something done. (And then you complain about Congress accomplishing nothing...)<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[#36, so do I.
        
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      <![CDATA[#30, for the same reason that my property taxes fund bike lane construction, even though I don't ride a bike.
        
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      <![CDATA[@35-  Why on earth would it do that?
        
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      <![CDATA[@34-  That's the bottom level price point of a non-toy store bike.  If you actually intend to use your bike as a means of transport, you want to pay that's close to the minimum you want to spend.
        
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      <![CDATA[I look forward in riding on the freeways on my bicycle.
        
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      <![CDATA[Taxes modify behavior. <br />
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 Hopefully the tax will modify the behavior of the bike Nazis to STFU about "one more car off the road and the world will be better."
        
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      <![CDATA[I would call a bicycle costing more than $500 a luxury good. Tax away.
        
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      <![CDATA["to pay for each car owner's carbon offsets"<br>
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Even if your car is your primary resident?<br>
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"water runoff cleanup, payment to the thousands of family members of people killed by cars every year, plus their funeral expenses, and programs to mitigate the tens if thousands of pets and wildlife killed, and to replace the environment destroyed by car sprawl. "<br>
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How about a tax for all the good paying auto worker jobs you don't create?<br>
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Be careful, your hate is showing.
        
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      <![CDATA[It would be nice if we could all take a little different approach at this and consider the entire transportation system.  Is there a way to stop bashing cyclists and stop bashing motorists.  All of these people are our neighbors.  We all need to get where we need to go via some form of transportation.  Some have children and schedules that don't allow bikes or buses.  Some of us can ride bikes because we have time, showers, or jobs that allow that mode.  We need to respect each other and do our best to improve the whole system.  We all need to spend a little more time and effort to understand each other's needs.  We all benefit from all of the transportation system upgrades and maintenance.  Whether the improvement is for safety, freight movement, transit, or bicycles and pedestrians.
        
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      <![CDATA[@30 word!<br />
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No, I'll bet Clibborn wishes she didn't have to show her hand so quickly. In doing so, those eastern Republicans might smell the double cross in her tactics.<br />
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That said, there is nowhere near enough transit dollars in this one. It raises $10 billion while only giving 7% to non transit and non-motorized? That's nuts and even less than they gave when McGinn thrashed a plan that was even better for transit back in 2008.<br />
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This should be interesting? As for my opinion, they aren't calling for a registration or licensing regimen on bikes so no sweat $25 bucks on new bikes could easily have been $25 on bike parts on each sale. I'm sure that it won't affect online sales either. This thing won't even be felt.<br />
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Now let's fix the transit problem in the bill!
        
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      <![CDATA[Why should a tax on bicycles fund freeways? Freeways are one of the few places bicycles cannot legally ride. <br />
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It's like taxing wheelchairs and spending it on stairway construction.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm fine with a bike tax to pay for some crappy bike trails along freeways in the suburbs.  But we should also add some car taxes, to pay for each car owner's carbon offsets, clean air offsets, water runoff cleanup, payment to the thousands of family members of people killed by cars every year, plus their funeral expenses, and programs to mitigate the tens if thousands of pets and wildlife killed, and to replace the environment destroyed by car sprawl.  Plus a small "fuck you" tax to make it easy to understand.
        
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      <![CDATA[Re: freeway flyovers- the onus of providing access across the freeway belongs to the folks who want the freeway at all.<br>
        
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Speaking of Cascade, I posted a forum thread trying to find out if anyone has been fined under the Vulnerable User Bill (fines can be levied up to $5000).<br />
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<a href="http://www.cascade.org/Community/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=13&amp;threadid=19188" rel="nofollow">http://www.cascade.org/Community/forum/m&hellip;</a><br />
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      <![CDATA[11, you should use a bike for errands & commuting. Then you'd understand where your argument fails. <br />
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The long & short of it is that the entire concept of traffic is based on the car. Infrastructure, the laws, the attitudes are there to accommodate automobiles. You can rant all you like about those damn kids, but nothing will change until bicycles are assumed to have an equal presence in traffic. They require their own dedicated lanes and their own set of rules, so they can interact safely w/ both pedestrians and cars.
        
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      <![CDATA[#15 I tried to win the Powerball last month, but no luck! So if I buy the farm while on my bike, no estate tax! Oh well.<br />
, I tried!
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 If Clibborn is such a dinosaur, why was she a "House Champion" in the Cascade Bicycle Club's own 2012 Legislative Scorecard? <br />
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<a href="http://cascade.org/advocacy/pdf/leg-scorecard-2012_web.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cascade.org/advocacy/pdf/leg-scor&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[A map of all high priced bums who won't pay property tax, state by state:<br />
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<a href="http://taxfoundation.org/article/map-property-taxes-owner-occupied-housing-state" rel="nofollow">http://taxfoundation.org/article/map-pro&hellip;</a><br />
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:25:22 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Meanwhile, Rep. Clibborn is still wedded to a stupid, antiquated gas tax and stubbornly refusing to make any progress towards a forward-thinking charge for Vehicle Miles Traveled.<br />
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Judy Clibborn is another transportation dinosaur that need to go the way of her old pal Mary Margaret Haugen.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:23:57 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Call it "equity"]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[How about requiring cyclists over 18 to have insurance to ride on our roads?
        
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      <![CDATA[Attention all deadbeats.<br />
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If you want stuff pay for it..with property tax.<br />
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    <author><![CDATA[Make it an annual bike tax]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[If I buy a $50,000 car, won't I have already paid a large amount of sales tax?
        
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