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      <![CDATA[I'm a regular recreational rider, and I'll pay $25 on my next bike to be able to ride across the 520 bridge. I agree with Dominic that the transportation package should include funds for the remainder of the 520 bridge project so I don't get stuck circling Foster Island.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@49 Both Dominic and Goldy love regressive taxes...actually they love ANY taxes, but regressive taxes are the only ones that get put up. As long as it doesn't affect bikes. Bikes is Dominic and the crew's blind spot. They suck so much of Cascade's and Seattle Bike Blog's cock they become stupid fucking credulous hacks when it comes to them. Especially when it comes to reporting "facts" quoted by either Cascade or SBB. There is absolutely no critical thinking over there when it comes to bikes.<br />
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See Anna's post about "facts" and "studies" surrounding the "slow the fuck down" bill. Or, any post or news article where Dominic merely acts as a press agent for Cascade and SBB.
        
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      <![CDATA[This really struck a chord with me Dom, "weird to pay a bicycle excise tax to fund freeways that cyclists don't use."<br />
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Do you really think so? I think I've seen you explain quite clearly why it is entirely normal to pay taxes for things you don't necessarily use. Like how people who smoke cigarettes pay taxes on their products that go to funding public schools they don't go to. Or any tax really... Was it Goldy I'm thinking of?
        
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      <![CDATA[Fucking Misanthrope.  I love this guy.
        
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      <![CDATA[@43: Thanks, that is clearer.
        
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      <![CDATA[Stop crying "poor" Seattle and pay more property tax you cheap skinflints.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18, your intuition is correct. I discussed this once with a civil engineer who does research on airport runways.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow. I'm no fan of this tax, but the claim here---that $1 million in bike taxes are somehow directly paying for the 1/3 or so of the package that would go to highways---is ridiculous.
        
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      <![CDATA[@42 <i>Relative to value, this change represents a greater cost <b>INCREASE</b> for bikes between $500 and $3,571.43 than it does for cars.</i><br />
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FTFY.<br />
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These are merely increases to car tabs, not the full cost of the car tabs themselves.
        
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      <![CDATA[The car tab is 0.7% of the vehicle's value.  For $25 to be 0.7% of a bike's value, the bike would have to be $3,571.43.<br />
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Relative to value, this change represents a greater cost for bikes between $500 and $3,571.43 than it does for cars.
        
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      <![CDATA[@40 Yay for having your second comment ever!  And the first with content!  <br />
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Retarded content, though.  Associating any taxation on products as Sin Taxes?  Fuck you.  No, really, fuck you.  Do you consider car tabs to be sin taxes?  How about gas taxes?  You probably see them as necessary because cars use the roads.  You know who else uses roads?  Bikes.  Sure they don't wear and tear the roads like trucks and cars, but they use them just the same.  And, its not an annual fee.  Its a one-time tax.<br />
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So, fuck you.  You're just latching on to the regressive taxation meme in order to not pay more taxes.  You're an asshole.
        
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      <![CDATA[@22<br />
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Normally your constant trolling is fucking stupid but on this one you have a good point. These taxes are regressive as hell and hopefully don't pass.<br />
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As for a bicycle tax that's the dumbest tax Iv'e ever heard of. The macro benefits far outweigh any investment put into it and cities should be trying like hell to increase ridership as much as possible.<br />
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It reminds me of how much money the area wastes while buses hold up traffic during rush hour waiting for some asshole to cough up some change. Busses should be free during rush hour if not for the traffic savings alone and we should be paying cyclists for not driving.<br />
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Here's an idea: lets put a special tax on top of sales tax on condoms? Health food? Child care?<br />
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Tax breaks on cigarettes, guns, and fast food?<br />
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Democrats are so fucking useless the only thing you can hope for is that nothing they try works. And yes, they are still better than the far more capable Republicans. Who would very capably fuck everyone over on purpose.<br />
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I don't care about paying $25 buck the next time I buy a bike. Whatever. But the idea is so stupid and misguided it pisses me off.<br />
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      <![CDATA[We all know that some of our taxes go toward funding projects or institutions with which we do not agree. It's unfortunate, but the world is not fair. This is not news, and if you can drop $500+ on a bicycle, you can afford to chip in $25 to help pay for the roads that bicyclists so incessantly and stridently demand be shared.
        
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      <![CDATA[@36 I think you meant to say "if you're crashing, you're a lousy mountain biker with no skillZ."
        
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      <![CDATA[So, what if we buy the bike in parts?<br />
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Frame first.<br />
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Next day tires.<br />
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Then the seat (those are expensive, if you're a guy and want to ride well).<br />
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Then the light and blinkers and helmet and repair gear.<br />
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Gee, no tax!
        
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      <![CDATA[@34  Are you kidding?  I've paid that much for a pair of wheels.  And those were not expensive wheels!<br />
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How often have you actually been mountain biking on it?  Defined as: if you're not crashing, you're not mountain biking.
        
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      <![CDATA["Taxes on Gas? Regressive. Car tabs? Regressive. Bicycle fee? Regressive."<br>
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      <![CDATA[I thought my $300 mountain bike was expensive.
        
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      <![CDATA[@31  Specialized Sirrus, Specialized Crossroads Sport, Trek 7.2, Trek Pure...<br />
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<a href="http://www.greggscycles.com/product-list/bikes-1000/?startRow=121" rel="nofollow">http://www.greggscycles.com/product-list&hellip;</a><br />
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The Crossroads even has mounts for a front rack and a suspension seatpost.  The wheels sound heavy as shit, but no one is racing on it.  Slap a pair of fenders on it, and it should get you to work for a couple of seasons before one of the cheap derailleurs breaks.
        
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      <![CDATA[I wonder what the definition of a "bike" is versus "parts" or a "bike kit".  Supposing I start selling bikes without a front wheel included, and sell that as a separate add on.  Do I still have to pay the tax?
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:20:19 -0800</pubDate>
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Mid- to high-end?  I think you're going to have a hard time finding any new bike selling for less than $500.  I also find it ridiculous that someone buying a cheap commuter bike new is paying the exact same tax as a spandex jockey dropping 5 grand.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:11:37 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Looking at the Gregg's website, there are a buttload of bikes in the $400 dollar range, so this should not be too punitive.  I haven't bought a new bike in a long time, but back in the day, $400 was the dividing line between "alleged bikes" that were likely to break quickly, and stuff that was actually a bit heavy but generally usable.  Thanks to China, that probably hasn't changed much.  If you need a functional but not fancy new bike, you can avoid this tax.<br />
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Saw a couple of models at <a href="http://rei.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://rei.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">REI.com</a></a> that were priced at $529 or $539.  I'll bet those suddenly get repriced to $499 if this passes.  <br />
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For smaller bike shops, this will be more of a problem since any loss of their margin will hurt.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:10:54 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote>In addition, it would create a car tab equal to 0.7 percent of a vehicle’s value.</blockquote><br />
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So did House Dems propose this with the expectation that the bill will never become law?  Because that is a huge, sudden tax increase in a state where tax increases are almost always voted down by referendum.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:04:46 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Playing devil's advocate here, but wasn't the Stranger lionizing the reasonableness being able to toll I90 to pay for unrelated transportation projects? I don't see how taxing bicycles to pay for highways is all that much different from taxing 90 to pay for things which I will never utilize.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'd be more likely to support this if it went directly toward paying for bike-friendly infrastructure, but $1M over 10 years is pocket change for any significant highway project.  This strikes me as nothing more than a bargaining chip to be thrown out to make the budget more palatable.
        
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