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      <![CDATA[We've seen better, @20.<br />
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We've also seen <a href="https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cristalla+seattle&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=47.612326,-122.343302&amp;spn=0.001731,0.002068&amp;safe=off&amp;fb=1&amp;gl=us&amp;hq=cristalla&amp;hnear=0x5490102c93e83355:0x102565466944d59a,Seattle,+WA&amp;cid=0,0,11924164786334814115&amp;t=h&amp;z=19&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=47.612256,-122.343386&amp;panoid=ciBMIJF0TUyL_eILjXiiCQ&amp;cbp=12,111.76,,0,-26.5" rel="nofollow">much, much, much worse</a>.
        
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      <![CDATA[can't say that i think that facade merits preservation. or that the upper stories mesh well. charles would say it lacks boldness.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thank you, 15/16
        
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      <![CDATA[I agree with you, Unpaid Intern; historic preservation in Seattle is a complete joke!
        
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      <![CDATA[P.S. @12, the same Bellevue family that owns Value Village (the chain) also owns the Value Village building and the building the Stranger's in.
        
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      <![CDATA[@12, the rumor is Metropolitan Market but not in that space, in the Value Village space.
        
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      <![CDATA[@12 Or until the building falls down.
        
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      <![CDATA[If you've going to rebuild then do so...come up with something really new using the materials of the age.   Put in a stationary fuel cell for power.  Use nanotubes.  Anything to kick this lethargic city into the 21st century.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is this building going to have a Metropolitan Market in it?  I heard that but not sure if it was true.<br />
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I wonder how long before the building the Stranger is in gets redeveloped?  Who owns that one?
        
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      <![CDATA[@10 Keeping a fascade doesn't exempt a builder from bringing the entire building up to code, which includes structural and energy efficiency.<br />
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An argument can be made that reusing existing materials (like a fascade's bricks) can save quite a bit of embodied energy.  But that's only true if you also retrofit to match the alternative's energy efficiency (which you have to, thanks to our building codes).
        
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      <![CDATA[There's also the matter of energy efficiency, and earthquake survivability of buildings. If only a shell facade crumbles and kills a few pedestrians that's not so bad.<br />
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But global warming is NOW, kidlings. You're already soaking in it.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5, self-righteous indignation and stuffing your nose in others' business uninformed is also great for the hips.
        
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      <![CDATA[@3's renderings are not bad, though.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks Slog, for doing such a great job of sniffing out all the exciting things that are happening all over Seattle!
        
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      <![CDATA[Reusing old buildings (with tastefully complementary, rather than falsely retro, additional floors) is definitely the ideal. See Trace Lofts for a pretty good nearby example.<br />
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Façadism can be interesting or awful, and is rarely anything in between. I'd definitely prefer an interesting, brand new, permeable-frontage-conscious building to a lazy exercise in façadist appeasement.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Because lead paint and asbestos are what help fat hipsters squeeze into skinny jeans apparently....
        
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      <![CDATA[It's such a shame that they didn't save the interior. I mean, <a href="http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2012/12/16/chs-schemata-sunset-electrics-transformative-moment-at-11th-and-pine" rel="nofollow">look how awesome</a> it was.<br />
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Treacle @3, you can see renderings <a href="http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2012/05/15/doubling-down-on-pike-pine-developers-pay-69-million-for-sunset-electric-building" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
        
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      <![CDATA[I agree with that. It forces the architects to come up with something creative using the existing façade's style, a worthy constraint. And it's far, far better than the alternative... good lord.<br />
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Does our Unpaid Intern know what the proposed structure will look like?  Can you post the architect sketches?
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't think there was much to save from the inside of that building anyway.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm ok with fascadeism.  Reusing entire old buildings is best, but sometimes it just doesn't make sense.  Saving at least an old fascade keeps a neighborhood looking interesting.
        
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