http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/19/but-you-dont-support-marriage Comments On: But You Don't Support Marriage by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
I commend your bravery for even trying to get people to get your real meaning and allowing youself to be bashed. Hang in there kiddo!
Posted by ParagonEos]]> Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:54:22 -0800 The Stranger Posted by undead ayn rand]]> Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:52:28 -0800 The Stranger
Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:10:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by scary tyler moore]]> Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:50:18 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Lissa]]> Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:16:09 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Katie_Tank]]> Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:06:18 -0800 The Stranger
@69 'KM referred to "stigmatizing premarital sex," which means stigmatizing it for everyone, not just women. I'm not aware that any culture has actually done it, but it could be done.'

Actually I'm discussing the system of sexual mores that was generally accepted before the 1960s. That is to say, heterosexual promiscuity stigmatized for women but not men, male homosexuality strictly forbidden, and the very existence of female homosexuality barely acknowledged. I recognize that the family structure of that time was brutally patriarchal and homophobic. I'm simply pointing out that it had certain advantages in terms of providing a stable family environment for raising children.
Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:16:52 -0800 The Stranger Posted by undead ayn rand]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:51:44 -0800 The Stranger
@68 awesome post. However, KM referred to "stigmatizing premarital sex," which means stigmatizing it for everyone, not just women. I'm not aware that any culture has actually done it, but it could be done.
Posted by DRF]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:51:08 -0800 The Stranger
Traditionnal marriage is tailored to the exclusive needs of males. Why would they choose not to marry ? Marrying ensures they have a lawful slave that will never leave them (no divorce), with a vagina that they will have access to at any time of their wish (marital rape not being criminalized), and that will bear and raise their children (adulterous women being passible of death), all that without having to let go of all the external pussy they can still get (adulterous males being the norm).

True, maybe males were not eager to marry in their 20s, but come their 40s or 50s and they were getting pretty resolute on marrying any 20-years-old female.

Maybe you're not very educated on what went on in the past centuries. Read old books ! See if the guys were expected to be virgins before marriage, or to be faithful after marriage in the 1900s, and in the 1800s, and before that... 400 years ago, there was more to the world than the views of a small sect of Puritans.

If you want traditionnal marriage to work the way it worked before, you have to reinstate the domination of one sex by the other. But be aware that only leads to decadence. Just like in the Arabic World, once the trailblazer of humanity, and now still stuck for the last 800 years in medieval quarrels over religious issues (sunnites against chiites). That will only change when half of the population will stop being silenced - the half that raises the kids.

Nowadays, the only way one can make marriage "stick" is by educating people on what marriage and sex are really like, so that when they marry, they marry someone thay are likely to stay with for long - because they are sexually compatible and mature enough to understand how relationships work. Maturity can't be achieved when there's too much work for not enough money : populations in poverty have no time to think and plan ahead. Sex is free fun - the only free fun for poor people. Keep people in the dark about how to practice safer sex, and they'll do more unsafe sex, not less sex.

Teenage mothers are the by-product of bad sex-ed, low education, and general poverty. College-educated youth does marry - and liberals stay married more than conservatives.
Posted by sissoucat]]> Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:34:04 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NE1]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:18:00 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:36:33 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Jessica Lee]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:31:50 -0800 The Stranger http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist…

People get married regardless of sex, availability, or whatever. The problem with polls on the matter is that sex is so stigmatized that people will lie about their experiences so as not to lose face.

Same sex marriage wouldn't affect the way that straight people do or don't have sex (or judge each other over it).
Posted by Jessica Lee]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:29:15 -0800 The Stranger http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist…

People get married regardless of sex, availability, or whatever. The problem with polls on the matter is that sex is so stigmatized that people will lie about their experiences so as not to lose face.

Same sex marriage wouldn't affect the way that straight people do or don't have sex (or judge each other over it).
Posted by Jessica Lee]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:24:45 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Helix]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:55:26 -0800 The Stranger Posted by kerri harrop]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:35:19 -0800 The Stranger Posted by murray6971]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:34:31 -0800 The Stranger Posted by clashfan]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:40:23 -0800 The Stranger
That "I'm totally reading this" monotone and creepily-cloying voice.... makes me feel like when someone steps on a scorpion and a hundred tiny baby scorpions riding on it back skitter about. Ick, ick, ick.

Posted by debug]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:38:42 -0800 The Stranger
The same people who told her she needed to vlog to convert others to her ideology, naturally.
Posted by undead ayn rand]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:21:57 -0800 The Stranger Posted by DRF]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:11:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:47:01 -0800 The Stranger
Also, the government should stop using my tax dollars to teach poor children to read. It totally undermines my right to read! Why don't people support reading?! Why must they devalue reading by sharing it with poor people?
Posted by Fishface]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:27:42 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Jay in BKK]]> Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:35:12 -0800 The Stranger