Comments On: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner by Charles Mudede http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/11/the-moment-of-drones-and-christopher-dorner Comments On: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner by Charles Mudede en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Thu, 23 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Thu, 23 May 2013 05:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
Go on with your bad self.
Posted by GermanSausage]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:57:18 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> @17, and as Will said:...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb…

Posted by sgt_doom]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:55:05 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> @13, GermanSmallNuts,

"..So the whole conspiracy theory thing was already out there."

Again and again, you respond to fact with nonsense, and unsubstantiated nonsense.

Fact: the phrase "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" did not exist prior to CIA Document 1035-960 and no bullcrap which froths from your effeminate mouth will change that fact.

Give up, douchey boy.

And today's prayer:

Viva Hollande! Viva Chávez!

Posted by sgt_doom]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:53:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:21:58 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
Perhaps what I am trying to say is that while I can understand if it is incidental to a manhunt, I find that trolling around for video or thermal imaging an unreasonable intrusion upon my seclusion, whether I am wandering around in the wilderness or down town.

The extent to which the government acknowledges and protects my right against such is certainly in question, but I did think it was worth drawing out the distinction between manhunts and general surveillance as it was between drone strikes and reconnaissance.
Posted by The sun in your Eyes; Made some of the lies worth believing]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:33:43 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
That said, I would be impressed if that were the case. I've used some pretty good thermal imaging cameras, and there's no way you can see a person through a roof. A quick google agrees with me.

I do recall the issue of detecting grow rooms in your house through thermal imaging from helicopters, but that makes your whole roof glow.
Posted by Matt the Engineer]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:22:47 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
You don't. Because they might be.
Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:02:51 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by Warren Terra]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:01:45 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
@10, in this case we've got a gun-weilding lunatic instead of an ax-wielding lunatic. There's more than enough probably cause for a manhunt, though that's moot. I'm sure there's an arrest warrant and has been one since nearly the beginning. They're not looking in people's living rooms, but apparently in the wilderness, where there's not much right to privacy. So I'm still not seeing what you're getting at here.
Posted by GermanSausage]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:38:58 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by sgt_doom]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:34:05 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> @1, GermanBreitbartWurst who says:

"..whatever the conspiracy theorists want."

Whenever any troll, chatbot, on-the-payroll stooger, or just general fuckwit uses the terms "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorists" they are quoting from CIA Document 1035-960, disseminated back in 1964 to CIA personnal and media members on their payroll in response to the shitstorm to the release of that drivel known as the Warren Commission Report (and if you've never read that crapola, withhold any troll comments until you have done so).

Until that CIA doc, released due to a FOIA request by the NY Times in 1976, that phrase never appeared in the media whatsoever. Period!

(Yo, fuckwits! Know how to use Google yet? Then Google "CIA Document 1035-960.)

And speaking of drones. . .

http://www.privacysos.org/node/963

Sources:

Conspiracy Theory in America, by Lance deHaven-Smith

Posted by sgt_doom]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:21:00 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
I'm not arguing one way or another on that right - I haven't made up my own mind on it. But I don't think that's a right we currently have. If you're in public, what you do is public information and you can be photographed and recorded.

Where's the link to that guy that ran around getting into everyone's face with a videocamera? That should probably be part of this discussion as well.
Posted by Matt the Engineer]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:16:46 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9TYUr-T…
Posted by sirkowski]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:16:02 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
Let's say the police come in through a back window of my house.

If they did it because:
a) they were actively perusing the ax-wielding fellow who just tracked my neighbors remains onto my carpet, I'd probably be grateful more than anything else.
b) they had a properly garnered warrant, I'd probably be pissed as hell, but at least a case had been made before my feelings and petunias had been trampled.
c) they thought there might be a fugitive in my living room, that would be almost overwhelmingly problematic, even if they were correct, without some reasonably high and clear bars against their entry, such as met in #b.
d) they had some technology that enabled them to conveniently do so to everyone, and why should it bother me unless I have something to hide, then we have lost an important right and freedom.

Now I don't know if Christopher Dorner is anything more than a suspect at this point, so I don't know if #b applies at all, but such a manhunt is somewhere between #a and #c, depending on the expectation of privacy in the spaces they end up searching, and is probably pretty reasonable.

As for general surveillance, I certainly don't have a reasonable right to complete privacy everywhere I go, but I don't think that the invention of reconnaissance drones means that we should loose the freedom not to live under their gaze.
Posted by The sun in your Eyes; Made some of the lies worth believing]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:57:59 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by GermanSausage]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:55:13 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by Matt the Engineer]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:54:41 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by The sun in your Eyes; Made some of the lies worth believing]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:47:20 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by fetish]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:33:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
I'm not sure how I feel about drones that are able to find people. I don't want them able to shoot, but to look and find? I think I'm ok with that.
Posted by Matt the Engineer]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:31:28 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by Cato the Younger Younger]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:21:46 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
Also, it is possible that there is no string of words with less meaning than "the end of history."
Posted by Theodore Gorath]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:09:44 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]> Posted by Pope Peabrain]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:09:00 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Moment of Drones and Christopher Dorner]]>
They've been using these for years now, but hey, whatever the conspiracy theorists want. Clearly this has something to do with the Pope's resignation and end-times prophecies.
Posted by GermanSausage]]> Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:45:39 -0800 The Stranger