Comments On: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong by JOCELYN MACDONALD

Comments On: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong by JOCELYN MACDONALD http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/01/goldy-i-know-youre-a-man-and-therefore-always-entitled-to-be-right-but-on-the-issue-of-birth-control-you-are-wrong Comments On: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong by JOCELYN MACDONALD en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by curtisp]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:36:06 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by curtisp]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:28:30 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
This whole "WHO PAYS??" is a non-issue, fabricated to enrage people who do not understand how insurance works. Free birth control means the insurance company doesn't get my negligible copay because I take the cheapest generic kind. As another poster commented, several more expensive kinds are not covered. It's the gummint cheese equivalent for contraception.

@53- If your mouth or eyes start popping out offspring for which the state could become responsible if you can't afford them, then your analogy would have some merit.
Posted by No Pity for the Insurers of America]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:14:54 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by Keith in California]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:17:22 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by garverella]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:39:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by Madasshatter]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:05:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by I have always been... east coaster]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:53:38 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
I hate "market forces".
Posted by originalcinner]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:50:08 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
For whatever reason, the federal government decided to pursue a private market method of providing health insurance. And we decided to impose much of the burden of purchasing insurance on employers. Those were both mistakes, IMO, but that's what we're stuck with. The least we can do is offer some consideration for those employers.

@45 I agree! I think vegetarians and vegans ought to have plant-derived insulin available to them. If it's not already on the market and you think there might be a demand for it, then maybe you ought to go into business.

@42 You could very easily make the argument that the LGBT community punches, far, far beyond what its numbers would dictate. We argue that marriage rights and employment protections and AIDS research (which was very controversial when I was coming on the scene) are right things to do in and of themselves. But Christian conservatives would argue the same thing about their agenda.
Posted by Corydon]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:21:09 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>

Posted by Rotten666]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:04:12 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
Then why does one compromise by politicians represent all of society as is claimed in this SLOG post? Politicians engage in politics which never makes anyone completely happy. The criticism by Jocelyn in this article are really just a criticism of how a democracy works.

No you won't ever have an unmitigated victory in a democracy, deal with it. In fact for women this is unmitigated victory because for them they will get their healthcare for free. The only difference is that the government has agreed to pay the cost instead of forcing the business to do it.

Say this this is any kind of failure by the president of democrats is crying like a little child. The only difference between what we got from our politicians and what we want from them is that we can't stick it to bigoted religious groups.

This reminds me of a child who wants another child's toy. When an adult offers to buy a second toy the child says it isn't good enough because they want the other child to be without theirs.

This is a massive political victory, deal with it.
Posted by Packeteer]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:24:45 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>

Posted by originalcinner]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:17:24 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> If those are covered, are religious groups demanding that they also not be covered (if those groups realize that the second one may be available soon)?
Posted by Biologist in the stix]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:06:56 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by Billy Chav]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:31:49 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by Hernandez]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:58:54 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
All this stuff about "forcing people to pay for things they don't like" is nonsense. It happens all the time in all sorts of areas. I think blowing up Afghani children with flying death robots is immoral but there go my tax dollars paying for flying death robots over Afghanistan. And that sucks. But my moral revulsion isn't reason to stop doing it or to give me a rebate on my income tax - we're living in a society here.

Posted by Alden]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:55:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
@14 You know what? I'd actually be fine with that. If you're paying for a product, it seems to me you ought to have some say in what you're buying.

Put it another way: my current employer doesn't offer domestic partner benefits. That sucks because I'd like my partner to be covered. I've asked my HR department to consider it, but beyond that, my recourse is to work someplace else. And that's fine...I don't need the federal government stepping in and forcing them to do that.

@20 I'm not religious myself, but surely, if you are religious, that must have some practical consequences for how you choose to conduct your affairs. Religion isn't just an intellectual exercise; it actually means something.

If I were Catholic, I'd choose not to patronize businesses that conflicted with my religious values. For instance, I wouldn't buy sex toys in an adult store. I wouldn't shop at a store that didn't pay its workers a decent wage and offer them benefits.

Forcing Christians to pay for something they consider morally wrong is analogous to forcing them to patronize a business they find morally objectionable.

This sort of thing falls under the same reason we allow Quakers and other conscientious objectors to avoid being drafted into combat roles in military service.

Posted by Corydon]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:53:49 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by ace9415]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:41:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by McJulie]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:59:58 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]>
Especially gay men like me?

Oops, sorry.
Posted by dlauri]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 06:27:37 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> "Medical science should not hinge on what is socially or religiously offensive."

Mostly I agree with you. Particularly on the religious part. But there are lots of areas of medical science, such as nonconsensual testing, human cloning, etc., that society finds offensive and rightly so. And it's that sensitivity to it that means we don't experiment on the 'unfit' any more.
Posted by NateMan]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 05:44:40 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by Woman of 2 minds]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:28:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by heatherly]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:26:11 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by gnot]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:59:40 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Goldy: I Know You're a Man and Therefore Always Entitled to Be Right But on the Issue of Birth Control, You Are Wrong]]> Posted by gnot]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:58:20 -0800 The Stranger