Comments On: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America by Goldy http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/01/31/everything-thats-wrong-with-america-in-a-nutshell Comments On: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:15:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Can we report the Misanthrope to the authorities while there is still time..or at least find out what his recent Amazon purchases from the Sporting Goods area have been? I'm getting worried...
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:36:42 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by Zenkichi95]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 11:32:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>
Ah yes, those that utilize the resource the most should pay the least. Good logic!
Posted by undead ayn rand]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:40:14 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>
I'm curious about the survey about the Northgate Transit Center parking structure earlier last year which claimed that only 48% of the riders who park currently would prefer a parking structure. That seems suspiciously low. But, maybe the 52% who'd rather see increased transit live on an already established once per hour line. Or live somewhere which they think is ripe for a line.

That still leaves 35% of total NTC riders who depend on parking at a transit center who may be displaced. That's not insignificant. And, the majority of those people are ones who obviously can't afford to park downtown, and probably are in the lower classes. Assumption, but its an educated guess.

The lying liars of the Cascade Bicycle Club and Erica C "Wine Thief" Barnett have been spreading falsehoods and implausible projections in order to prevent new parking structures from being built. 92% of riders not driving by 2030 is hopeful...but the way transit has been going that's a fucked up projection. The poor and middle class are going to be increasingly pushed out to the deep suburbs like Shoreline, more people are going to drive to NTC instead of taking an hour to get there by bus, bike, or walking.

How can I make the claim that Cascade Bicycle Club are lying liars? Because they claimed, in June, that 70% of NTC riders walked, biked, or used transit. However, in KC Metro said 70% of riders DROVE to NTC. This is the same Cascade Bicycle Club that paid for that fucking shitty ass study about people's beliefs on the War on Cars that Dominic made a full article about. Yeah. Trustworthy! P.S. KC Metro's survey surveyed 878 people of a supposed 5,000 ridership...whereas the CBC study was all of 400 people...and both had a 5% margin of error? Fuck CBC, and stop sucking the cocks of those lying liars. I find their goals to be noble, but their methods to be shitty, and their ideas to be founded in space.

The CBC and their ilk are working hard to eliminate parking structures in the name of environmentalism, and instead may end up driving people away from the city.

But, that's, like, my opinion, man.
Posted by TheMisanthrope]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:57:36 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by TheMisanthrope]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:38:32 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> I just wrote an essay about it at Patrick.Net.

Why Don't Liberals Want To Pay Their Property Tax?
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1221454

Yeah, that's right.

I'm taking it outside!


Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:40:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Sat, 02 Feb 2013 13:42:47 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by tiktok]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:20:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>
How much federal money that might otherwise go to other parts of the state goes to Seattle/King County because we have more political pull/influence? How much of that Seattle/King County tax revenue that goes to the state relies on the blue collar/service industry folks who commute in from Snohomish and Pierce counties? How many apples from Wenatchee does Seattle consume, and is it worth subsidizing highways to get them here?

Your point is well taken, but it's not quite as cut-and-dried as you make it out to be, and frankly the poster you're responding to had some quite valid points that you dismissed a bit too glibly (and unnecessarily nastily).


Posted by Blue collar Dem]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:15:56 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Goldy's sentiment is very heartwarming. We must all pay for everything because we are all in this together. Kumbaya. But somehow that only ever cuts one way - nobody in Seattle wants to pay for anything outside Seattle.

That's bullshit: King County, with roughly 29 percent of the state population, produces 42 percent of state tax revenues, yet it receives back less than 26 percent of state benefits. That's a return of only 62 cents on every dollar we send to Olympia. We here in the Seattle metropolitan area carry the rest of the state, and we vote for nearly every tax increase that comes our way.

As for your lack of transit in Pierce County, twice in two years Pierce County voters rejected tax measures to prop up Pierce Transit. That's why your bus service has been slashed. And FYI, Sound Transit offers parking at all but one of its Pierce County Sounder heavy rail stations, as well at Link Light Rail's Tukwila station, just north of SeaTac (the terminus of the line).

Subarea equity assured that the money Sound Transit raised in South King/Pierce was spent in South King/Pierce. That your transit service is insufficient is due to the fact that your tax base is insufficient, and that the state does not subsidy local transit. You can't blame tax-and-spend Seattle for that.
Posted by Goldy]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:12:06 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by mwalsh]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:10:58 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by i'm pro-science and i vote]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:44:06 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by curtisp]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:24:41 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by porter_esq]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:53:20 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by TheMisanthrope]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:37:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by Big Sven]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:12:01 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by warren terrah]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:35:25 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by clashfan]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:18:31 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by it's a island.]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:22:51 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> While our study improves on prior work in some significant ways, it also has several important limitations. These limitations call for caution in interpreting the findings and drawing policy conclusions from them.
First, because the sample of poor households in the HAS is small, the estimates based on this data set in Table 2 are imprecise.

From Plotnick's own report.
Posted by TheMisanthrope]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:10:09 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>
P.S. Hi, Baconcat! Hey? Did average rents go down around the area to match average income? I remember when you argued they were starting to plummet in 2011. That was hilarious.
Posted by TheMisanthrope]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:00:24 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>
Oh

What will the Environmental Assessment include?
The EA will describe:

Why tolling on I-90 is being considered (purpose and need).
How tolling would be implemented and how the proposed approach was developed.
How tolling would affect traffic on I-90, adjacent roadways and parallel routes.
How tolling would affect those who use I-90 and surrounding communities, including low-income populations.
Other possible environmental effects such as land use, economics, energy and climate change.
Where potential environment impacts are identified, the EA will describe what can be done to avoid, minimize or mitigate those impacts.


An actual study! Instead of "I know some people that might have an issue".

What about 520?

Oh! http://www.king5.com/traffic/news/520-br…

Oh oh!

The University of Washington professor added, "If we didn't have tolls, we'd probably be paying for this with sales tax, and sales taxes take more from all low income households in the region compared to middle and high income households."


Posted by Baconcat]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:25:10 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by curtisp]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:07:44 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]> Posted by curtisp]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:02:50 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: "Why Should I Be Paying a Toll for Somebody Else's Bridge?" or Everything You Need to Know About What's Wrong With America]]>

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